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[Rad-oh-yeah?]

Farba za ovu godinu na proslogodisnjem bolidu:

 

[Dzoni_m]

pih ruzno za medalju. 

[staneC]

Snowcat, Pistenraupe ili teptalnik (SLO)
 
Na holandskom ili srpskom nema, ne upotrebljava se.
 
Zezam se, srpski je ратрак.

I na slovenskom je ratrak. Tepltalnik je samo u školi i na RTV :-)

[Hertzog]

Furaju mat folije, to sada popularno kod ovih nasih seljaka, svako drugo nabudzeno auto ima mat folije

[Downforce]

Tek sa ovim liverijem se zapravo vidi koliko je to lep bolid bio. Prelepe obline.

[Rad-oh-yeah?]

Christian Horner has confirmed suspicions that the heat of Red Bull's bitter relationship with Renault has now improved.

Since the end of 2015, Red Bull has reverted to mere customer status and re-branded its Renault units as 'Tag-Heuer' for the new season.

And Renault F1 chief Cyril Abiteboul has even suggested that, notwithstanding the seemingly terminal feuding of 2015, the French marque may be prepared to renew the new Red Bull deal beyond the end of the season.

"When it comes to Cyril," Horner said, "there is a great story of love-hate, meaning he loves to hate us!

"No, I'm kidding," the Briton told France's L'Equipe. "We have had some constructive discussions over the winter.

"They accepted some proposed solutions by Mario Illien, and now have some high-quality personnel involved in the project like Bob Bell. But it will all take some time.

"We need to be patient. From our side, we are not closing any doors so let's see how the season gets underway," Horner added.

And no matter how 2016 actually starts, Horner said he is expecting Renault to steadily improve throughout the season.

"Each new engine should get better and better," he said. "The competition will also be interesting, because while we know the progress Renault has made, we will only find out in Barcelona and especially in Melbourne how Mercedes, Ferrari and Honda have improved.

"For us, being in Q3 in Australia would be a good way to start the year," Horner added. 

 

Koji ce Renou ovi ljigavci?

[leone]

Kakva rugoba, kao da ga je Hamilton farbao.

[L0shMi]

@radoje Da im vrte motor na stazi još koju sezonu da se ispeglaju bubice i da ih posle otkace kad fabrički tim stasa.

[alpiner]

 

[Downforce]

Ubedljivo najludja aerodinamika. Ne znam na koju foru ce se ovo uopste hladiti. Sprdaju se ljudi sa mehanikom fluida.

[Rad-oh-yeah?]

Red Bull’s problem

The launch of the new Red Bull livery last week in London saw the team unveil the TAG-Heuer-badged Renault V6 turbo engine and gave them the chance to once again complain about the current situation with regard to engine supply. Red Bull was lucky for a number of years to have a rather reticent Renault allow it to take all the glory for the work that was going on at Viry-Châtillon. The reality was that after the scandal of 2009, when the Renault factory team was found to have manipulated the result of the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix, the French company did not want too much coverage in F1 circles and it dumped its F1 team and then watched it failing as the Lotus F1 team. Now Renault has become bolder, having invested in the new generation engines, and having bought control of the F1 team once again. It may take some time to achieve, but Renault is committed to beating not only the currently dominant Mercedes, but also Ferrari and Honda.

The problem for Red Bull is that none of the big players really want to be in partnership with a team that will either take away much of their glory if they are successful, or will embarrass any factory efforts. Thus Red Bull is doomed to be in the midfield until either it can find a new manufacturer, willing to share the limelight; or it can use political means to change the rules of the sport, so that it is less attractive to the manufacturers and they decide to give up being team owners and let partners do the work for them. The manufacturers have seen what Red Bull is trying to do and are keen to resist any changes, but they are willing to supply the team with engines, if only because the Austrian company is a useful one to have in F1.

The company’s revenues are impressive but flat, despite the huge amounts of money that are spent each year on promotional activities. And the key question is whether or not Formula 1 is still the right thing for Red Bull. If the manufacturers do not leave, Red Bull’s only long-term hope for success would be to have its own engine, but that would be a dramatic undertaking and even the deep-pocketed Dietrich Mateschitz would think twice about it. The fear is that if the team cannot win, it will soon start to lose the people who have made it successful and so will lose value. It’s a tough call…

[alpiner]

MARKO SATISFIED BY RENAULT'S WORK OVER THE WINTER

Rare sounds of praise for Renault are emerging from the Red Bull camp ahead of the 2016 season. Last year, the strained relationship between the two parties broke down completely, meaning Red Bull lost its title sponsor Infiniti and had to re-brand its customer supply of turbo V6 power as 'Tag Heuer' for the new season.

But Dr Helmut Marko, formerly the chief critic of Renault's slow progress in the 'power unit' era, is now sounding much more positive. "The car is fantastic as expected," he told Germany's Auto Bild, "but I am especially satisfied by the work Renault has done over the winter. In terms of reliability and responsiveness of the Tag-Heuer Renault, they have done a step," Marko said.

Some analysts, however, question whether Renault has actually upped its game in pure horse power, but Marko said the marque's improvements are in fact "finally reflected in laptime". Marko's comments are sure to raise eyebrows. "If Helmut is praising Renault, then the step on the engine side must be huge," said former F1 driver and long-time Red Bull supporter Gerhard Berger.

And not only that, Marko said Renault is planning to take another big step forward after the first handful of races in 2016. "There is a major performance update planned" for Canada, he told Auto Bild. "Then, podiums on our own steam will even be possible," said Marko.

http://www.f1today.n...ver-the-winter?

[alpiner]

 Red Bull Racing will be behind sister squad Toro Rosso for the first half of the season, according to the team’s motorsport consultant Helmut Marko.

“I could imagine that they will land in front of Red Bull Racing at the start of the season - probably until midseason - because the power difference is still that significant,” he said. “In midseason probably the performance will drop, as you cannot further develop the 2015 engine.

“It seems that with the engine development things are going in the right direction.

“But, to bridge the gap to the leading engines, that will take some time.

While two four-day tests in Barcelona proved inconclusive as to who holds the upper hand going into the first race - the Australian Grand Prix - in two weeks time, Mark expects Mercedes duo Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg to once again be leading the way, with Ferrari behind.

With a competitive midfield expected too, Marko doesn’t see a reason why, with the right development, Red Bull pair Daniel Ricciardo and Daniil Kvyat can’t be fighting for podiums later in the year.

He added: “For the first half of the season I see Mercedes doing one-two finishes as long as they do not screw-up, then I see Ferrari and a tight fight between Williams, Force India, Toro Rosso and Red Bull Racing behind them.

“From midseason onwards our power unit situation should improve - and that makes me believe that P3 should be feasible.”

[Rad-oh-yeah?]

Mateschitz rattles a rusty old sabre
March 12, 2016 by Joe Saward

Red Bull boss Dietrich Mateschitz says that the current political domination of F1 by Ferrari and Mercedes is not good for the sport. No surprise there. The Austrian is stuck with a customer Renault engines because neither Ferrari not Mercedes wants to sell his main team engines, in part because Red Bull might beat them, and in part because if they don’t beat them, Red Bull will whinge endlessly in public about the power units. This is also a problem for potential new manufacturers because of the team’s constant carping about Renault in the last two years. Renault was delighted to see the back of Red Bull, but agreed to supply engines this year on the basis that the team would be more polite. If Red Bull supplied the Ferrari F1 team with cans of drink and the team kept referring to it as “Cat’s Piss”in public, one would understand if Red Bull was to be upset.

What’s the difference?

It seems that the only engine that Mateschitz can hope for in the short term is some kind of cut price unit that Bernie Ecclestone is trying to conjure up from somewhere. The Red Bull folk seem to think that it is right that such an engine should be made equivalent to the best engines because it is their right to do well, or they will leave… (So there!)

Perhaps it would be wiser if they all asked the question about why no manufacturers want to come into F1 at the moment, despite the fact it is a brilliant global marketing tool (which Mateschitz does understand) and has the technology that the industry wants.

Mr Mateschitz was not upset when he had the power a few years ago to be given a financial deal by the sport that the team did not really have any historical right to. Yes, the team had been hugely successful for a few years (but, hey, what’s wrong with domination when it’s YOUR domination?) but the only reason it got a big payout was because of all the lovely money that Mr Mateschitz was going to spend in F1 in the future. It was a bit of mutual back-scratching.

If Red Bull wants to leave F1 it would be sad, because the brand is good for the sport, and vice versa, but if that is his desire then so be it – so long as he pays the penalty payments written into his contract. It makes no sense to do that (it would about $500 million at the moment) so to leave would cost more than to stay and he would also lose the benefits (money and exposure) which means that there are a couple of years in which he can work to find a sensible engine manufacturer. So, in the interim, the wisest course of action is to keep quiet, stop threatening to leave and either drop Dr Marko, or get him to say something positive about the team’s partners on a regular basis (he could learn the McLaren “we win together and we lose together” speech). The big worry is that Adrian Newey will get bored of waiting and will go off to do something else.

Right now, the manufacturers are providing the sport with stability and with a coherent idea of the future, which no one else is doing. If they are happy to commit for years to come, they have far more value to F1 than the Sherman McCoys, who would jump ship in a millisecond if they could find someone to pay the price they require for the rights-holding company.

When you think about it, Red Bull’s smartest strategy might be to find a manufacturer and offer to pay for an engine (like the real TAG engine deal 35 years ago) and then join forces with the manufacturers…
 

[alpiner]

Aston Martin back in F1 with Red Bull

 

Aston Martin will return to Formula 1 this season with Red Bull in a partnership linked to a road car project collaboration.

As part of the deal, the Aston Martin name will appear on the rear of the Red Bull's sidepods and its iconic wings on the nose from the season-opening Australian Grand Prix.

The move brings the British sportscar manufacturer back to F1, over half a century after its previous brief foray in 1959 and 1960.

Last July, Autosport reported Aston Martin was negotiating a return to F1 in a tie-up with Red Bull that would bring the team Mercedes engines.

The British sportscar maker held discussions with a number of other teams, including Williams and Force India, and as talks progressed, Force India emerged as a frontrunner.

But a deal that would have led to the Silverstone-based team rebranded Aston Martin Racing was put on hold earlier this year.

Talks about an F1 return continued, with Aston Martin keen to have a presence in F1 to take on sportscar rivals McLaren and Ferrari on track as well as off, and a deal with Red Bull was finalised.

Aston Martin CEO Andy Palmer and director of marketing and communications Simon Sproule have experience working with Red Bull as they were involved in securing the team's Infiniti sponsorship.

Infiniti, which is part of the Nissan alliance, began sponsoring the team in 2011 before taking over as title sponsor in 2013 and then cutting ties at the end of last season and moving to Renault.

http://www.eurosport...85/story.shtml?

Edited by alpiner, 17 March 2016 - 11:48.