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[Hertzog]

Isti problem i kod mene... Sve ja to kao upalim i pogledam, ali jednostavno nema one treme pred start trke, ne trudim se da volim neki tim/vozaca, prosto mi nije to to... Mogu pogledati wrc i dakar, ostale serije onako usput, ali F1 je jednostavno jedina stvar koju volim svim srcem... Vise i od fudbala i ostalih sportova... Bice bolje

[Dzoni_m]

Jos jedan. Ne vredi, ne drzi me nista drugo. Pokusao sam sa Indy, gledao malo Radoyeve pisanije, gledao trke......ma bre posle 10 krugova cujem zvuk se promenio umesto zvuka motora neko prica, ono zena prebacila na krugi program ja zadremao. WRC i Rally uopste mi je potpuno nezanimljiv jer nema zivog prenosa vec samo highlights. WTCC i ostale kruzne su takodje nezanimljive. Ok volim da gledam LeMans i Endurance sampionat. To mi je jedino sto je u rangu F1. Moto trke me ne zanimaju uopste. Od motora ja volim enduro ili turere sto znaci uzivanje u duuuuugoj voznji a ne jurcanje. 

 

Ostale sportove apsolutno ne gledam.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Ja sam poco sa F1, gledo IndyCar zbog ovog

 

 

posle shvatio zasto je Nascar popularniji i sad redovno gledam Nascar vezo sam se za dva vozaca i jako mi je zanimljiv Nascar. Volim jos pogledati malo V8 Supercars to su najbolje turing trke, zatim MotoGP, WRC.

[Duh sa sekirom]

I još jedan narkos ovde.

 

Formulu pratim negde od 1977, 1978. ali to znam samo iz priča roditelja, da sam uvek morao da gledam trku F1 kada je bilo prenosa. Znam da sam sa ćaletom gledao start trke u Monci kada je na startu poginuo Roni Peterson, ali se zaista ničega ne sećam sa nje. Jbg, bio sam premali. Prva trka iz tog doba koje se zaista sada sećam da sam je gledao i šta se dešavalo na njoj je trka u Monaku 1980. godine sa velikim sudarom na startu,  Pironijo vođstvo koje je kasnije izgubio udesom negde između tunela i bazena i na kraju pobeda Rojtemana i da sam je ili gledao sa braćom od ujaka ili posle komentarisao. Tako da sam na tu drogu veoma, veoma dugo navučen i iako su mi u poslednje vreme trke dosadne i dalje ne propuštam ni jednu i popizdim ako zbog nekih "obaveza" ne mogu da odgledam neku.

 

Od ostalog malo šta gledam. MotoGP, volim, mnogo su mi uzbudljivije od F1, ali kada se Markez izdvoji u vođstvu i kada Rosi se više ne bori ni sa kim, uglavnom nemam živaca da je ispratim do kraja, nego prebacim kanal ili negde odem.

 

Dakar sam otkrio pre 15-20 godina, valjda kada je RTS počeo da pušta preglede i više ne mogu zamisliti početak godine bez njega i tih pregleda, ali to je samo dve nedelje godišnje i samo pregled od sat vremena dnevno (20 minuta oko kraja etape i 40 minuta oko ponoći). A i od tih sat vremena pregleda 45 minuta su intervjui, a tek 15 minuta maksimalno snimci sa etape. Baš, baš, premalo, a bilo bi mi premalo i da prenose ceo tok trke, što mi je totalno nejasno zašto sada ne rade, jer trku svakako prate celu iz helikoptera, pojedine delove i sa zemlje i snimaju, a sa sadašnjom tehnologijom uopšte ne bi bilo skuplje ni komplikovanije ostvariti direktan prenos. Jedino im fali režiser koji bi u realnom vremenu birao šta će se pustiti u živi prenos, a ne samo izabrati snimke za ultra mega skraćeni pregled na kraju etape. Možda nema potrebe za prenosom cele etape, ali prenos nekih sat-dva bi bez problema mogli ostvariti samo kada bi hteli. Verujem da postoji masa gledalaca na svetu koja bi to gledala.

 

Trke izdržljivosti sam otkrio pre par godina i otada sam opčinjen njima, ali ne odgledam svaku i često nemam vremena da ispratim ni tih 6 sati, osim kao pozadinski zvuk dok radim nešto drugo. Jedino mi 24 sata Le Mana drže pažnju skoro bez prestanka iako ne mogu da objasnim zašto i kako.

 

Što se Indija i Naskara tiče pokušao sam da gledam u više navrata i da pratim šta Radoje i Arni pišu, ali kako dođe drugi blok reklama, što je obično oko trećeg minuta trke, ja odustanem. Dobro da budem realan, nije baš oko trećeg minuta niti oko trećeg kruga trke, ali u trenutku kada se završi drugi blok reklama od početka trke, više sam gledao reklame nego trku i to me nervira i za to nemam živaca. A uz to ovale ne volem.

Ja sam poco sa F1, gledo IndyCar zbog ovog

Da jeste uzbudljivo kada troje kola prodju takoreći istovremeno kroz cilj, ali od ovoga (ovala) mi se zavrtelo u glavi. Ovale jednostavno ne volem. jer nemaš pojam koji je krug i gde se nalaze. Stalno jedno te isto. Izgleda mi kao da su na beskonačnoj pokretnoj traci, a ne da se trkaju po stazi. Valjda sam suviše navikao na normalne staze.

 

WTCC mi je takođe dosadan uglavnom se nonstop voze jedni drugima u repu bez obilaženja i to na stazama gde nema mesta da dvoje kola prođu jedna pored drugih, a ne da se bore i obilaze, ostalo mi je to totalno nebitno...

 

Iako pokušavam da nađem nešto drugo, ni ja nemam alternativu za F1, a ostale sportove sam skoro potpuno prestao da pratim. U poslednje 2-3 godine čak sam i u fubbalu propusti finale lige šampiona i gledao sam samo svetsko(evropsko) prvenstvo, mada sam to gledao baš, baš posvećeno.

Edited by Duh sa sekirom, 22 December 2014 - 14:44.

[Rad-oh-yeah?]

F1 engine suppliers Ferrari and Renault appear to have won a battle in the long-running 'freeze' saga.

 

Mercedes' struggling V6-making rivals have been pushing hard for changes to the existing homologation rules, where performance improvements of the 'power units' is tightly restricted during the season.

 

The next 'freeze' deadline was believed to be February 28, where all four 2015 makers - Ferrari, Renault, Mercedes and Honda - must present their engines to be homologated by the FIA.

 

But Ferrari and Renault had reportedly argued that a loophole existed in the rules, where they could start 2015 with last year's engine and then introduce improved new power units at a later date during the season.

 

The BBC reports that the matter was discussed at last week's Strategy Group meeting in Geneva, and "it now seems likely that manufacturers will be able to upgrade their engines after the start of the season as well as before it".

 

Germany's specialist Auto Motor und Sport is reporting similarly, claiming that any engine maker "who does not use all 32 (development) tokens by February 28 can continue to make progress during the season".

 

Roger Benoit, a veteran F1 correspondent, wrote in the Swiss newspaper Blick that the 'freeze' saga is "so sensitive that Mercedes and Honda have already threatened to quit".

 

Outspoken 1997 world champion Jacques Villeneuve, however, does not buy into Red Bull chief Christian Horner's argument that the engine rules need to be urgently changed altogether.

 

"He's saying that just because they don't have a Mercedes engine," he told Italy's Omnicorse. "Otherwise he wouldn't want to change the rules.

 

"He's not thinking about the good of formula one, but only his team and his future," Villeneuve charged.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Da jeste uzbudljivo kada troje kola prodju takoreći istovremeno kroz cilj, ali od ovoga (ovala) mi se zavrtelo u glavi. Ovale jednostavno ne volem. jer nemaš pojam koji je krug i gde se nalaze. Stalno jedno te isto. Izgleda mi kao da su na beskonačnoj pokretnoj traci, a ne da se trkaju po stazi. Valjda sam suviše navikao na normalne staze.

Ovali su brzi i pruzaju mogucnost preticanja sto ne vazi za klasicne staze(u F1 uveli DRS bas zbog toga). Zato sam ja zavoleo ovale jer mozes videti i tri auta paralelno kako se bore za pobedu sto u F1 nisi nikada video. Ma ne secam se ni kad sam u F1 video da se dva auta bore za pobedu do samog kraja?

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

Dobra vest: Ferari i Reno ce smeti svoje motore razvijati kroz sezonu ali ne i Honda

 

F1 teams can develop engines in season after FIA admits loophole

 

Formula 1's current manufacturers will now be allowed to develop their engines during the 2015 season, after the FIA accepted there was a loophole in the regulations.

Mercedes' rivals Ferrari and Renault pushed hard in late-2014 for F1's engine freeze to be eased to give them more time to introduce much-needed upgrades, rather than having to complete all changes to a pre-season deadline.

But with Mercedes standing firm and refusing to concede much ground, it appeared that Ferrari and Renault's hopes of extra time were dashed.

However, as AUTOSPORT first revealed in December, the situation changed dramatically when it was suggested to the FIA that the engine rules did not actually stipulate when a final engine had to be lodged for 2015.

Although the FIA had always been under the impression that new engines would have to be homologated for the first race, this was never explicitly laid down in the rules.

An FIA spokesman said: "It was always envisaged, although not explicitly stated in the rules, that manufacturers would have to deal with modifications on the engine within the constraints of the rules, and then submit their 2015 engine [at the first race].

"It is simple, but when you read it [the rule book], it doesn't say that unfortunately."

Ferrari's technical director James Allison brought up the matter in a technical regulations working group meeting with the FIA at the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, and there were further discussions on the subject at a Strategy Group meeting before Christmas.

With the FIA admitting that the wording of the regulations was open to interpretation, it has subsequently told teams that the "most logical and robust" way forward is to accept that there is no actual date for 2015 homologation.

It means that manufacturers now have the option of introducing upgrades to their engines throughout the season - as long as they stick to the 32 development token limit that is laid down within the rules and do not exceed the four-engine per car limit for the campaign.

In a note that was sent from the FIA's Charlie Whiting to all teams over the Christmas period, it was made clear that the upgrades would be allowed to come on tap at any point over 2015.

"As it is not specifically stated... when a power unit may be modified in accordance with appendix 4 [of the technical regulations], we feel that the weighted items (32 in this case) may be introduced at any time during the 2015 season," said the note, a copy of which has been seen by AUTOSPORT.

 

"The basic homologated power unit will remain that which was homologated for the 2014 season, including any changes made in accordance with paragraph 1 © of appendix 4 [of the sporting regulations]."

 

NO DEVELOPMENT FREEDOM FOR HONDA

 

The interpretation that allows Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault to bring in developments over the course of 2015 will not apply to Honda because it is a new manufacturer.

Although the regulations do not specifically state dates for the Japanese car maker to submit its homologated unit, the FIA is standing by its view that it must stick to the February 28 date that the current manufacturers faced last year.

The Whiting note added: "As the existing manufacturers were obliged to homologate their power units by 28 February 2014 it would seem fair and equitable to ask a new manufacturer to homologate their power unit before February 28 2015.

"We therefore consider this to be a requirement for a new power unit manufacturer."

 

HOW THE FREEZE RULES WORK

 

During discussions to frame the new turbo V6 regulations, an engine freeze was agreed to prevent costs getting out of control.

Once a power unit design was lodged with the FIA on February 28 2014, changes were only going to be accepted during the season for "reliability, safety or cost-saving reasons."

 

However, each winter a limited number of modifications would still be allowed.

The scope of the change would be limited by a 'token' system that related to the individual components on the engine and its hybrid systems.

The entire power unit is made up of 66 'tokens' - which are weighted individually between one and three depending on how important they are.

Ahead of 2015, five of these tokens were 'frozen' completely - but there was scope to review the 61 remaining items if a manufacturer felt improvements were needed.

However, it would not be allowed to change all the parts. The rules are clear that only 32 tokens - approximately 48 per cent of the power unit - could be used for 2015.

The issue surrounding the recent FIA clarification relates to when these tokens need to be used by.

One view was that it had to be done by the first race, but Ferrari and Renault have successfully argued that a loophole in the rules means there is no deadline.

Longer term, the restrictions on how much development can be done increase each year.

So for 2016, 38 per cent of the engine can be changed, going down to 30 percent in '17, 23 per cent in '18 and just five per cent for '19 and '20.

[Downforce]

Opet loophole

[Rad-oh-yeah?]

As ever in formula one, the future is always just around the next bend.

 

On Tuesday, at Bernie Ecclestone's behest, representatives of the four engine manufacturers - Mercedes, Renault, Ferrari and newcomer Honda - will get together in Geneva.

 

The F1 supremo wants them to talk about a new beginning for F1 in 2016, having briefed them to consider a new, more powerful, cheaper and louder engine formula.

 

According to Germany's Auto Motor und Sport, Ecclestone also wants more aggressive-looking cars that are more difficult to drive and exciting to watch.

 

But Niki Lauda, team chairman at new world champions Mercedes, urges against haste.

 

"Something sensible can really only be done if we give ourselves until 2017," he argues.

 

"And Honda would not have built this new engine for one season only. You need some stability, otherwise everything is insanely expensive," Lauda added.

 

Before 2016 dawns, however, the 2015 world championship will be run and won, and at present it is not even clear how many cars will be on the grid.

 

Marussia and Caterham, for instance, are under administration, and Caterham is not committing even to the opening test at Jerez in 27 days time.

 

"Talks with interested parties continue," joint administrator Henry Shinners told the BBC on Monday, "but if a buyer is not found before the test, we will not put up the money to go."

 

One person definitely planning for the winter test period, however, is Williams tester Susie Wolff, who is apparently scheduled to run in the 2015 car at Barcelona.

 

On Monday, she uploaded a video to Youtube depicting her in training, and revealed on Twitter: "With 6 weeks until my first test in the FW37, it's full focus on fitness and preparation."

 

Berni je totalno prolupao. Nova formula za motore nakon samo dve godine, bolidi koji su "tezi za voznju" a ovi sadasnji su verovatno najzajebaniji jos od kraja 90-tih i troipolitarskih motora bez kontrole proklizavanja.

[Dzoni_m]

Pazi, ako se oni sloze ........sto da ne 

[alpiner]

F1 keen to have 1000 HP turbo-powered engines

Formula 1 has moved a step closer to the return of 1000 horsepower turbo cars, following a meeting in Geneva this week by key figures to discuss future rules.

As part of a push by F1's Strategy Group to make grand prix machinery more challenging, it asked F1's engine chiefs to get together this week to discuss ways of giving cars more power.

The belief is that by ramping up engine power above the 1000hp level that proved so spectacular in the past, F1 cars will be harder to drive - and therefore more attractive to fans.

AUTOSPORT has learned that the discussions between the Power Unit Working Group and the FIA were positive, although it is unlikely that any of the changes being talked about will come in to force until 2017.

However, there is a belief that the 1000hp target could be achieved without the need for a total redesign of the current turbo V6 engines nor a complete new engine formula - which would be expensive.

Instead, an increase to the fuel flow rate, higher revs, minor design tweaks such as to crank firing, plus increasing the maximum fuel allowance beyond 100kg, would be enough for the current engines to hit the 1000hp target.

The ideas have now been put forward for further discussion by F1's technical directors later this month, and will also be tabled at the next meeting of the Strategy Group, in a bid to get the green light for more detailed work.

One issue that the engine chiefs want to know from F1 team bosses is whether the priority is for simply more power, or if engine noise should be a factor in modifications too.

Changes to the engines are also likely to go hand-in-hand with tweaks to F1's car rules to make the cars faster and harder to drive.

The FIA is already discussing with teams the possibility of ramping up downforce, having bigger wheels and more aggressive-looking cars for as early as 2016.

COSTS ON AGENDA

The engine manufacturers also discussed ways of making the current engines cheaper, amid concerns that the high costs of the power units are hurting smaller teams.

One idea that has gained traction is for a standardisation of many of the ancillaries surrounding the current V6 engine - such as the energy recovery systems.

Such an idea was proposed by Red Bull boss Christian Horner at the end of last year amid a push by him to change F1's engine rules because they were too expensive.

https://uk.eurosport...951538--f1.html

[staneC]

Evo, poslušali me.

Kakve limitacije okretajka, protoka goriva i max goriva.

Deri do kraja.

 

F1 keen to have 1000 HP turbo-powered engines

Formula 1 has moved a step closer to the return of 1000 horsepower turbo cars, following a meeting in Geneva this week by key figures to discuss future rules.

As part of a push by F1's Strategy Group to make grand prix machinery more challenging, it asked F1's engine chiefs to get together this week to discuss ways of giving cars more power.

The belief is that by ramping up engine power above the 1000hp level that proved so spectacular in the past, F1 cars will be harder to drive - and therefore more attractive to fans.

AUTOSPORT has learned that the discussions between the Power Unit Working Group and the FIA were positive, although it is unlikely that any of the changes being talked about will come in to force until 2017.

However, there is a belief that the 1000hp target could be achieved without the need for a total redesign of the current turbo V6 engines nor a complete new engine formula - which would be expensive.

Instead, an increase to the fuel flow rate, higher revs, minor design tweaks such as to crank firing, plus increasing the maximum fuel allowance beyond 100kg, would be enough for the current engines to hit the 1000hp target.

The ideas have now been put forward for further discussion by F1's technical directors later this month, and will also be tabled at the next meeting of the Strategy Group, in a bid to get the green light for more detailed work.

One issue that the engine chiefs want to know from F1 team bosses is whether the priority is for simply more power, or if engine noise should be a factor in modifications too.

Changes to the engines are also likely to go hand-in-hand with tweaks to F1's car rules to make the cars faster and harder to drive.

The FIA is already discussing with teams the possibility of ramping up downforce, having bigger wheels and more aggressive-looking cars for as early as 2016.

COSTS ON AGENDA

The engine manufacturers also discussed ways of making the current engines cheaper, amid concerns that the high costs of the power units are hurting smaller teams.

One idea that has gained traction is for a standardisation of many of the ancillaries surrounding the current V6 engine - such as the energy recovery systems.

Such an idea was proposed by Red Bull boss Christian Horner at the end of last year amid a push by him to change F1's engine rules because they were too expensive.

https://uk.eurosport...951538--f1.html

[Rad-oh-yeah?]

Ako zaista to urade morace ukinuti i ogranicenje o cetiri motora po sezoni. Po sadasnjoj ceni motora to ce bankrotirati sve timove. Sve, ukljucujuci i one koji sami proizvode svoje motore!

[Dzoni_m]

Zasto bi morali da ukinu ogranicenje? Jel' pricasmo o tome kako treba postaviti jasna pravila a unutar njih slobodno tumacenje? Dakle, evo ih. Okreci ga koliko hoces, sipaj goriva koliko hoces, i nasviraj ga do ludila ali ne smes da potrosis vise od 4 motora po sezoni. Pa ko najbolje uradi posao.

[stex]

TO! O tome trubim odavno. Imaš toliko motora po sezoni pa ti radi šta hoćeš! Još da ukinu DRS i obaveznu zamenu guma.