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[Uzice]

Ovo si izjavio kao da jedva cekas da neko kaze da nije.

["Doc" Holliday]

da da da

samo vreba

[MikiVeliki]

Ovo si izjavio kao da jedva cekas da neko kaze da nije.

Ma puce mi prsluce ...

[sasa965]

Ucinilo mi se da je Rossi pustio Jorgea da ga prode.Ucinilo mi se,verovatno nije.

[memento]

Ucinilo mi se da je Rossi pustio Jorgea da ga prode.Ucinilo mi se,verovatno nije.

ja nisam primetila.




Lorenzo, Stoner, Yamaha and Ducati
It seems to have been a case of one door closing and another opening for Jorge Lorenzo during the Czech Republic Grand Prix weekend, when HRC announced that it would not sign the talented young Spaniard - but a new avenue of interest opened at Ducati.

Rumours of Lorenzo switching from Fiat Yamaha - with whom he made his MotoGP debut in 2008 and has taken three wins, 14 podiums and eight poles - to Repsol Honda next season have circulated since round two in Japan.

It is hard to establish exactly how serious Lorenzo had considered an RCV move, but the comments by HRC president Tetsuo Suzuki at Brno seemed to end any chance of it happening in 2010.

“We spoke with Lorenzo, but we eventually concluded that Dani Pedrosa and Andrea Dovizioso would be the best line-up for us and there are no plans to provide another bike to Lorenzo," said Mr Suzuki.

Perhaps HRC came to the conclusion, as had many in the paddock, that Lorenzo was now using Honda as a negotiating tool to reach a better arrangement with Yamaha.

Lorenzo has openly stated that the YZR-M1 is the best bike in MotoGP and that he is happy with his team, but appears to want more financial equality with team-mate and reigning six time MotoGP world champion Valentino Rossi.

According to Spanish sportspaper AS and Riders magazine, Rossi earns 14 million euros from Yamaha, compared with 2 million for Lorenzo. The new offer on the table from Yamaha is reportedly for 4 million.

Honda's public withdraw from negotiations with Lorenzo looked like bringing the uncertainty over the double 250cc world champion's MotoGP future to an end, with a new Yamaha contract looking like a formality.

However, Casey Stoner's withdraw from the next three rounds, and uncertainty over the Australian's MotoGP future as he battles a mystery energy-sapping illness, has prompted late interest in Lorenzo from Ducati.

Heavily dependent on Stoner for its MotoGP success - the top Ducati after Stoner is only 14th in the world championship - the Marlboro backed team is said to be prepared to offer Lorenzo between 6.5 and 8 million euros a year, for a two-year contract. To put that in perspective, Stoner's wage is reported as 3.8 million a year.

Lorenzo could either ride alongside Stoner next season, or replace him should the unthinkable happen and the Australian not be fit enough for the start of next season.

Having crashed out of the lead in Sunday's race, Lorenzo is now 50 points behind Rossi in the world championship, but remains 12 ahead of Stoner and 27 points ahead of Pedrosa with six rounds to go.

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Espargaro To Take Pramac MotoGP Ride, Not Pasini
Submitted by David Emmett on Wed, 2009-08-19 22:59.


After Mattia Pasini was drafted in to test the Pramac Ducati MotoGP bike, on the official one-day test after the Brno MotoGP round, speculation grew that the Italian 250cc star would be given the nod to race the Pramac bike for the next two MotoGP rounds, at Indianapolis and Misano. To many people's surprise, once he gave the Desmosedici GP9 back to the Pramac mechanics, he thanked them nicely and then told everyone that he had learned what he wanted to know, and that he had no intention of racing the bike. Instead, Pasini said, he would return to the 250cc championship where he is still theoretically in with a shot at the title.

This left Pramac casting about for a replacement. With the 250cc season also coming to a head and the Misano race clashing with the next round of World Superbikes at the Nurburgring, the list of possible substitutes was looking pretty threadbare. But within a couple of days of testing finishing at Brno, the Pramac squad have found a suitable replacement: For the next two rounds, the Ducati left vacant by Mika Kallio's temporary elevation to the factory Marlboro Ducati team will be filled by former 250cc star Aleix Espargaro. According to GPOne.com, Espargaro was offered the ride after former Suzuki rider John Hopkins declined, when the team refused to offer him a contract for 2010 on top of the two wild card rides at Indy and Misano.

Espargaro - brother of Pol, the Derbi rider who is still in the hunt for at least a top 3 finish in the 125cc championship - had been left unemployed this year, after the Lotus Aprilia 250cc team called it quits at the end of last season. Since then, Aleix has filled his season picking up some odd - but interesting - jobs and lining himself up for a return in 2010. Most of Espargaro the Elder's time has been taken up with various Moto2 projects, the Spaniard being involved in testing the Promoracing Moto2 bike in the Spanish CEV championship. But Esparagaro has also made a brief return to the 250cc class, putting in a couple of impressive rides on the Aspar-run Balatonring Team bike, finishing 4th at Assen and 7th at the Sachsenring.

Espargaro, like Pasini and Scot Honda rider Gabor Talmacsi, has never ridden a MotoGP bike, and the first session of free practice next Friday at Indianapolis will be his first opportunity to get acquainted to the bike. But his arrival may give us a glimpse of the future. Having spent considerable time on a Moto2 bike - at least, the current spec of Moto2 machine currently being campaigned in the Spanish Championship, and so without the spec Honda engine - he has some understanding of setting up a four stroke racing bike, and understands the options available on a prototype chassis. It will be interesting to see how quickly Espargaro picks up the pace on the Desmosedici, and whether any of the skills learned testing the Moto2 bike are transferrable to a MotoGP bike. This, after all, is what Moto2 is supposed to achieve.


prepric na srpskom (po narudzbi):
dakle, Matia Pasini je u ponedeljak testirao pramac ducati, pa se ocekivalo da ce on i voziti sledece dve trke umesto Kallia (koji menja Stonera). medjutim, posle testa on je vratio motor, zahvalio se i rekao da je naucio sta je zeleo ali da ne zeli da vozi trke, nego hoce da se vrne u 250 gde ima teorijsku sansu za titulu. e onda se Pramac nasao na muci jer se jedna trka poklapa sa superbajkom pa ni odande ne mogu nikoga da uzmu. na kraju su izabrali Alexa Espargara (brata Pola Espargara iz 125) koji je prosle godine vozio 250, ali je ove godine bez angazmana (vozo je dve trke ove godine). nema iskustva sa moto gp motorima. ove godine je vise puta testirao moto 2 motore.



a evo ovde ako nekog zanima teoretisanje o Lorencovom "'ocu, necu, gde cu, sta cu"
Down The Rabbit Hole: The Next Installment Of The Lorenzo Saga

[memento]

It's Done: Lorenzo Signs For Ducati - Probably
Submitted by David Emmett on Thu, 2009-08-20 11:22.

The past few days have been a veritable whirlwind of news, or more accurately, rumor and speculation, about the future of Jorge Lorenzo. The Spaniard has been holding up the MotoGP transfer market since early July, when he held off on signing a new contract with Yamaha over the conditions of the deal, and explored the options on offer to him from the other manufacturers. He had, as he took pleasure in pointing out, received offers from all the other manufacturers, and was using those offers as leverage with Yamaha, to try and extract promises of equal treatment from the team. The kind of promises that Lorenzo believed he had from the factory when he signed with them the first time around, for the 2008 and 2009 seasons.

At Brno, the market started to show some signs of movement, with Marco Melandri going to Gresini Honda, Alvaro Bautista moving up to the Rizla Suzuki ride, strong indications that Hector Barbera would take the Aspar Ducati, and a statement by the head of HRC that they had reached basic agreements with Dani Pedrosa and Andrea Dovizioso. At the same time, HRC boss Tetsuo Suzuki also indicated that they would not be signing Jorge Lorenzo. Two different stories are in circulation about the reasons for this: One says that the deal failed because Honda was unwilling to meet Lorenzo's salary demands; the other reports that Suzuki-san's statement was a face saving operation, after Lorenzo had already turned Honda down.

It looked like Lorenzo's role was played out. But Casey Stoner's absence due to illness, the presence of Philip Morris head of marketing Francesco Calvo at Brno despite Stoner's absence, and a series of late night meetings in the Ducati hospitality unit soon gave rise to speculation that Ducati were closing in on signing a deal with Jorge Lorenzo, to take over development of the troublesome Desmosedici, and become the new face of the team. The sums involved were reported to be astronomical, somewhere between 4 and 8 million euros a year, for a two-year deal.

The saga, which reported on on Saturday, Tuesday and Wednesday night, seems to be coming to a head. For Spanish website Motocuatro is reporting that Lorenzo has reached an agreement in principle with Ducati, and will be riding with the Bologna-based factory for the next two seasons. Concrete salary numbers were not reported, but according to Motocuatro, the deal would make Lorenzo the second highest paid motorcycle racer in the world, behind only - you guessed it - his team mate Valentino Rossi. That would put the deal in the upper end of the 4 to 8 million euro range being bandied about.

More than money, though, Jorge Lorenzo is certain to have asked for and received undisputed number one status at Ducati. Lorenzo's signing, it is reported, is at the express request of the most senior figures inside Philip Morris, the tobacco company that bankrolls most of Ducati's MotoGP effort, Ferrari's Formula One program, and pays the salaries of Ducati's riders. The way in which Stoner handled his illness - allegedly, a week before Brno, the Australian simply informed the team that he would not be riding at the next three races without consulting them about the matter first - is said to have been the final straw for Marlboro. Stoner has frequently refused to help out with marketing and promotional activities, believing that his job is that of a motorcycle racer, and as such, his main priority should be to focus 100% on winning races, and not get distracted by the fripperies of marketing. Marlboro disagrees, as they might considering they pay tens of millions of euros to pay for the program which allows Stoner to race.

Lorenzo, who is both aware of the necessity of marketing and promotional activities, and understands the business principles underlying the decision to sponsor motorcycle racing, has shown himself to be a sponsor's dream, turning up and going through the motions at the many activities put on by the Fiat Yamaha team. Added to that is his ability to both deal with a difficult bike and then develop it in the right direction, abilities he showed in the 125cc and 250cc classes, and his undeniable talent, pushing Valentino Rossi to the limit to hold his young upstart team mate off. All these things add up for both Marlboro and Ducati, and signing Lorenzo is an obvious choice.

At first glance, the reports in Motocuatro seem fairly definitive, but read a little further and there is still some reason for caution. The story states that Jorge Lorenzo will be riding with Ducati for the next two seasons, but couches it in the phrase "with almost certain probability." In other words, they believe that the deal is done, but cannot be 100% certain. Given the accuracy of the publication's news stories over the past few days, they would appear to have excellent sources inside the Lorenzo camp. However, they also claimed that Lorenzo had met with Ducati's MotoGP boss Livio Suppo, who according to the Italian site GPOne.com is currently vacationing with his family in the US. On the other hand, the Catalonian paper El Periodico claimed that Suppo passed through Barcelona on his way to his vacation address in the US. A cynic might offer the alternative hypothesis that the Lorenzo camp is using a series of judiciously placed leaks to gain yet more leverage over Yamaha in the negotiations, and finally get some cast-iron guarantees of equality with Rossi, but that must remain nothing but speculation.

One way or another, we will learn the truth of the matter in just a few days time. Jorge Lorenzo is due to announce his plans for the future at Indianapolis. It will be one of the most eagerly awaited press conferences of the year.



moj bangavi prevod:
spanski sajt Motocuatro "sa skoro sigurnom verovatnoscu" izvestava da je dogovor izmedju Lorenza i Ducatija postignut (doduse nisu 100% sigurni ). navodno su u Ducatiju tj. prvenstveno u Philip Morrisu (koji i placa vozace) iznervirani nacinom na koji im je Stoner javio da nece voziti tri trke, jer se samo javio i tako saopstio bez ikakve prethodne konsultacije sa timom. takodje Stoner nije bas odusevljen kojekakvim promocijama i ostalim sponzorskim zajebancijama i trudi se da to ignorise maksimalno (cak sam ranije citala da se cesto na tim zbivanjima pojavljuje drugi lik u crvenom odelu, a oni kasnije ufotosopuju Stonera). Lorenzo je potpuno obrnuta prica, san svakog sponzora. cifre nisu objavljene ali kazu da ce Lorenzo biti drugi najplaceniji vozac (to mu dodje u gornjem delu izmedju 4 i 8 miliona e). takodje, kazu da Lorenza vise od para zanima pozicija u timu i da sigurno trazi da bude vozac br. 1. na sledecoj trci, u Indijanapolisu, Lorenzo ce se zvanicno izjasniti.






hmmm, sta li ovo znaci za Stonera? da li oni vec naslucuju da on nece voziti sledece godine, ili mozda njemu nece smetati da bude br. 2?

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Pedrosa Contract Ultimatum: No Puig, No Pedrosa
Submitted by David Emmett on Fri, 2009-08-21 12:17.

With the veritable category 5 hurricane of media attention that has surrounded Jorge Lorenzo's deal with Ducati - a deal that has been both confirmed and denied - most other MotoGP news has gone unnoticed. And yet the whirlwind of news has managed to stir up a few fascinating details from around the rest of the paddock, as seats are being held open and details hammered out for potential deals which could come into play if Lorenzo moves and his seat at Fiat Yamaha becomes available.

One candidate for that vacancy would be Dani Pedrosa. Despite HRC boss Tetsuo Suzuki announcing that Honda had reached a "basic agreement" with both Pedrosa and Dovizioso, with just a few details left to be thrashed out, both Dani Pedrosa and his manager and mentor Alberto Puig denied that any deal had been agreed upon, though Pedrosa described the talks as being "positive". Until a deal with Honda is finalized, Pedrosa is still at liberty to explore other options, one of which is Yamaha. Puig has commented several times that if Pedrosa cannot reach an agreement with Honda, Yamaha would be his best option.

But there is one detail which is blocking any deal which Pedrosa may be considering. Both Honda and Yamaha have said that they would welcome Pedrosa with open arms, but they will not accept the presence of Alberto Puig in the garage, according to the Spanish website Motoworld. The contract which HRC presented to Pedrosa reportedly contained the condition that Puig would no longer be welcome in the Repsol Honda garage, a condition which caused Pedrosa to refuse to sign it. Similarly, when Jorge Lorenzo flirtation with Honda caused Pedrosa to put out feelers to Yamaha, one of the conditions demanded by Yamaha was that Puig would not be involved.

Pedrosa has flatly refused to accept either of these offers if that meant abandoning Puig. The former Grand Prix winner has been working with Pedrosa since the Repsol Honda rider was just 13 years of age, when Puig selected him for the Movistar Cup, the precursor of what was to metamorphose into the Red Bull Rookies program, despite being below the minimum age limit. The pair have worked together closely ever since, Pedrosa reportedly relying heavily on Puig's advice on bike setup and development.

The question of Puig could leave Dani Pedrosa in a real quandary. With both Yamaha and Honda unwilling to sign Pedrosa if Puig comes as part of the deal, and Pedrosa rejecting any deal which expressly excluded Puig, the Spanish prodigy is leaving himself with ever fewer options. If neither Yamaha nor Honda will sign Pedrosa, the Spaniard would be force to look elsewhere. The seats at Suzuki are both just about tied up, and the Suzuki is unlikely to be a bike that even Pedrosa could turn into a championship winner. If Lorenzo lands at Ducati, the chances of the Bologna factory signing Pedrosa - with or without Puig - are virtually nonexistent.

Somebody is going to have to blink first. Will it be Pedrosa, because he wants a competitive ride? Or will it be Honda or Yamaha, because they need a rider capable of winning a championship?


Lorenzo's Manager: Decision Will Be Announced Next Week
Submitted by David Emmett on Fri, 2009-08-21 14:25.

It just never ends. Barely a day goes by without more news and rumors about Jorge Lorenzo's decision on whether or not he will be riding for Yamaha or Ducati next season, and today is no exception. Where previously, the stories have suggested that a deal with Ducati is all but completed, today, but Crash.net and the official MotoGP.com website are reporting that Lorenzo's management have denied that a deal is done.

Crash.net bases its story on sources close to Lorenzo, claiming that Lorenzo and his management are still considering both deals, and telling Crash.net, in the understatement of the year, "It is not an easy decision!". The MotoGP.com website spoke directly to Lorenzo's manager Marcos Hirsch, who said that they were "Getting close to concluding our evaluation of the pros and cons of the offers and we acknowledge that now is the right moment to make a decision." Such a decision would not be based on financial considerations alone, however. Hirsch told MotoGP.com that money was at "the bottom of the list of priorities", and that sporting factors - in this case, code for the number one position inside the team - would play a key role in their decision.

That decision is almost certain to be announced at, or probably, just prior to, the Indianapolis Red Bull Grand Prix. The most likely scenario is for a press conference to be convened in the hospitality unit of the winning bidder, meaning that the news will break some time before it is actually announced. In less than a week, the story should be just about over.

With all the rumors, leaks and speculation, the whole circus surrounding Jorge Lorenzo and his future is becoming extremely difficult to follow. Fortunately, that most authoratitive of writers on Grand Prix motorcycle racing Dennis Noyes has a summary of the situation (Lorenzo To Ducati First Domino To Fall?). It is both comprehensive and comprehensible, and a highly recommended read.

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'vako... iako je gazda honde Tetsuo Suzuki objavio da su postignuti dogovori sa Pedrosom i Doviciosom, Pedrosa i njegov (odvratni) menadzer Alberto Puig su to demantovali. u medjuvremenu su bacili oko na Yamahu, medjutim problem je u tome sto ni u Hondi ni u Yamahi ne zele Puiga. Pedrosa je pod Puigovim vodjstvom od 13te godine i za sada nema nameru da ga sutne. neko ce morati da popusti (nadam se Pedrosa).

iako se vec uveliko prica da je Јорге sklopio dogovor sa Ducatijem, i on i njegov menadzer Marcos Hirsch su to demantovali. Hirsch kaze da jos razmatraju ponude i da pare nisu glavni uslov nego pozicija prvog vozaca u timu. odluka ce biti objavljen sledece nedelju u Indianapolisu.

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ovakav "silly season" ne pamtim, i vec je pocelo da me umara. toliko otvorenih pitanja...
sta je sa Stonerom? zar ce pristati br. 2 status? zar ce ducati (bez obzira na Stonerovo neinteresovanje za marketing) oduzeti br. 1 vozacu koji im je doneo titulu i uostalom jedinom koji taj motor zna da vozi i dati je nekome ko (za sad) samo misli da sve moze da vozi, a to su mislili i mnogi pre njega? da li ce se Stoner uopste vratiti? ako se vrati da li ce Nicky mozda u Yamahu (nadam se da Pedrosa nece, neka ga na onom patuljastom motorcicu specijalno spremanom za njega)? ili bi onda bacili Edwardsa sa Rossijem a Hayden da ide u Tech 3? sta ce biti sa Toselandom? da li je zaista zasticen cinjenicom da ima britanski pasos? gde nameravaju da udenu Spiesa (i da li uopste ove godine)? da li ce uspeti da se tu negde ugura i Aoyama?

ja verujem da Lorenzu nisu pare najjaci motiv. izgleda da Rossijevo maestralno, a u isto vreme suptilno, "ugnjetavanje" protivnika ne samo na stazi nego i van nje zaista deluje. yamaha je trenutno najbolji motor tamo, ducati je ako mene neko pita (a ne pita, niti se ja razumem u to) tesko sranje i jedina dobra stvar na tom motoru je Casey Stoner. znaci, sedis na najboljem motoru, imas priliku da pobedis najboljeg na istoj masini ali ti tretman drugog vozaca toliko smeta da ces da odes na motor koji je ubica karijere?! mislim da se rossi slatko smeje u sebi.


edit: nepismena

Edited by memento, 21 August 2009 - 16:11.

[memento]

MotoGP 2010 - the grid so far

Fiat Yamaha
Currently: Valentino Rossi and Jorge Lorenzo
2010: Valentino Rossi and ?

MotoGP continues to wait for Jorge Lorenzo's decision. A Honda move was ruled out at Brno, making a new Yamaha contract seem inevitable, only for Ducati to step-in with a late big-money offer for the young Spaniard.

Ducati Marlboro
Currently: Casey Stoner and Nicky Hayden
2010: Casey Stoner and ?

Casey Stoner has a contract for 2010, although his main priority at present is returning to full fitness. Ducati has first refusal on the services of Nicky Hayden, and seems keen to keep the American, but much will depend on what Lorenzo decides to do.

Repsol Honda
Currently: Dani Pedrosa and Andrea Dovizioso
2010: ? and ?

HRC has reached a 'basic agreement' with both Pedrosa and Dovizioso to stay for the next two years, although no contracts have yet been signed.

Rizla Suzuki
Currently: Loris Capirossi and Chris Vermeulen
2010: Alvaro Bautista and ?

Former 125cc world champion and 250GP title contender Alvaro Bautista has signed a two-year contract with Suzuki. Loris Capirossi looks set to join him, leaving no room for the GSV-R's only race winner Chris Vermeulen.

Monster Yamaha Tech 3
Currently: Colin Edwards and James Toseland
2010: ? and ?

The Tech 3 rides look to be the most hotly contested seats on the grid, with the likes of Ben Spies, Randy de Puniet, Chris Vermeulen, Mika Kallio and Toni Elias - as well as Edwards and Toseland - linked to the team for next season.

As the leading satellite rider, Edwards has the results to justify a new deal, while Toseland must close the gap to his team-mate. No signings are expected until Lorenzo's decision has been made at the factory outfit.

San Carlo Honda Gresini
Currently: Toni Elias and Alex de Angelis
2010: Marco Simoncelli and Marco Melandri

The only two-rider team with its full 2010 rider line-up definitely in place is Gresini Honda, which has confirmed the return of Melandri to ride alongside reigning 250cc world champion Simoncelli next season. Melandri claims Simoncelli will have a factory RC212V.

LCR Honda
Currently: Randy de Puniet
2010: ?

Randy de Puniet has been one of the most improved riders in 2009 and is currently the leading satellite Honda rider with seventh in the championship. The Frenchman also took his first podium since 2007 with third place at Donington Park.

Lucio Cecchinello will surely be aiming to hold on to de Puniet, although Randy's results this season are likely to open up opportunities at other teams. LCR could expand to a two-rider team.

Hayate Racing Team
Currently: Marco Melandri
2010: ?

Despite impressive results with Melandri, Kawasaki won't reverse its decision to leave MotoGP completely at the end of this season and, as such, the Hayate team is not expected to continue either.

Pramac Racing
Currently: Mika Kallio and Niccolo Canepa
2010: ? and ?

Ducati looks set to keep Mika Kallio on one of its machines next season, although the young Finn's results during his temporary promotion to the factory team in place of Stoner will go a long way to deciding just what kind of ride he is offered. Lorenzo's decision and Stoner's health will also have an impact on his options.

Fellow rookie Canepa has had a solid, if unspectacular, season and could do with a stand-out performance. Elias could well be among the other options, with his two podiums for Pramac last year well above the best of eighth by Kallio and Canepa so far this year.

Scot Racing
Currently: Gabor Talmacsi
2010: ?

Drafted in to the Scot team at Catalunya after starting the year in the 250cc class, Gabor Talmacsi's Hungarian sponsors helped save the Scot team - at the expense of Yuki Takahashi - but other teams might also have an eye on his financial backing for 2010. Meanwhile, Scot's 250cc world championship leader Hiroshi Aoyama should finally make the move to MotoGP next season, presumably on Honda machinery.

Aspar Ducati
2010: Hector Barbera.

125 and 250cc team owner Jorge Martinez 'Aspar' will effectively take over the fifth Ducati entry from Group Francisco Hernando next season. With his present 250GP star Bautista joining Suzuki, Aspar has signed fellow quarter-litre race winner Hector Barbera.

[Ridjis]

memento ти си царица
Не знам шта би Лоренцу било најпаметније, наравно и нико други па ни он сам не зна шта би било најбоље, иначе би било сувише лако. Ако није новац у питању и ако се не боји борбе са Росијем онда би можда требало да остане.

[memento]

ja sve nesto mislim da bi mu bilo bolje da ostane. jebale ga pare ako su one u pitanju. s druge strane radovalo bi me da se hayden eventualno dokopa yamahe (iako pocinjem da mislim da on jednostavno ne moze da se adaptira na 800cc). jedva cekam da se vec jednom odluci, pa da onda i drugi mogu to isto da urade i da vidimo konacno ko ce gde. jedva cekam sledecu sezonu. koliko god ja ovo pratila i dalje ne znam sta tacno podrazumeva biti br. 1 ili br. 2 u timu, moram to da istrazim. stvarno sam mislila da im je "oprema" ista, bilo je slucajeva da nije, ali sam mislila da je to izuzetak.

[Ridjis]

ja sve nesto mislim da bi mu bilo bolje da ostane. jebale ga pare ako su one u pitanju. s druge strane radovalo bi me da se hayden eventualno dokopa yamahe (iako pocinjem da mislim da on jednostavno ne moze da se adaptira na 800cc). jedva cekam da se vec jednom odluci, pa da onda i drugi mogu to isto da urade i da vidimo konacno ko ce gde. jedva cekam sledecu sezonu. koliko god ja ovo pratila i dalje ne znam sta tacno podrazumeva biti br. 1 ili br. 2 u timu, moram to da istrazim. stvarno sam mislila da im je "oprema" ista, bilo je slucajeva da nije, ali sam mislila da je to izuzetak.

Па колика је разлика?

[perlez]

memento ти си царица
Не знам шта би Лоренцу било најпаметније, наравно и нико други па ни он сам не зна шта би било најбоље, иначе би било сувише лако. Ако није новац у питању и ако се не боји борбе са Росијем онда би можда требало да остане.

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