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[Pristevac]

Mađari i Rumuni ne trpe. Samo se na jebenom Balkanu satrapi trpe decenijama:

 

https://www.b92.net/...&nav_id=1483922

[Kinik]

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Interesantno a kad ce placeni kremaljski korisni idiJot, obican schwabski krmkov da kaze da Nemacka treba da se distacira od ruske pomijare? Pojela maca jezik, pa papagajise kremaljsku propagandu?

Kakva priglupa i primitivna mrcina!

 

Nemci odbili da ucestvuju u ratu u Iraku, a finansiraju rusiju i njen rat u dumbasu_lugandoniji, prodaju turbine, kupuju gas / naftu?

Pa bi to hteli i sa rezimom ajartolaha u Iranu? Zar se to zove 'slobodna trgovina'.

Bedni, smrdljivi krmkov!

 

 

>> ... Šreder: Nemačka da se distancira od SAD

Berlin -- Bivši nemački kancelar i nekadašnji lider socijaldemokrata Gerhard Šreder smatra da Nemačka treba odlučnije da se distancira od Sjedinjenih Američkih Država.

Izvor: Tanjug, subota, 22.12.2018.

 

 

    "Ja svakako nisam antiamerikanac. Ali suština mojih zalaganja u spoljnoj politici bila je borba za relativnu nezavisnost od SAD", rekao je Šreder za "Velt am zontag". To je, kako je dodao, bilo naročito vidljivo kada su Nemci odbili da učestvuju u ratu u Iraku. 

    "Uz sve zasluge Amerikanaca za razvoj Nemačke posle 1945. godine, smatram da je takva pozicija upravo sada ponovo razumna. Jer suverena zemlja ne sme da dozvoli da joj SAD govore sa kojim zemljama sme da trguje. To ne ide", rekao je Šreder. 

    On se osvrnuo i na zahteve Trampove vlade Berlinu da ograniči ili obustavi trgovinu sa nekim držama. "Iran, Kina, Rusija: Ako se nastavi onda uskoro nećemo smeti ni sa kim da imamo ekonomske odnose. 

    To je neprihvatljivo za zemlju zavisnu od izvoza kakva je Nemačka. To mora da se kaže i Amerikancima, uz svo poštovanje i prijateljstvo", rekao je on. Takođe, dodao je, i kad je reč o gasovodu Severni tok, Amerikanci vrše snažan priritsak da se projekat obustavi. "To ne rade iz ljubavi prema Ukrajini, već zato što žele sami da isporučuju gas Nemačkoj - tečni gas, lošiji po kvalitetu, ali zato skuplji nego zemni gas", rekao je Ssreder. ... <<

 

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[FrediB]

Svabe su uvek gravitirale ka rusima. Da se i jedni i drugi pitaju, osnovali bi glat osovinu Berlin-Moskva-azijatske despotije. Srecom pa NATO ima gomilu baza po Nemackoj, tako da od toga nema nista.... 

[McCarthy]

Istorijski gledano, nisu uvek, uglavnom su bili na neki nacin suprotstavljeni u svim vecim ratovima i u geopolitickim sukobima/interesima.

 

U poslednjih desetak godina, medjutim, u nacelu vlada anti-anglosaksonska atmosfera sirom Evrope, a to kremaljski sociopata i germanski deo Evrope vide kao sansu da ostvare stare imperijalisticke ciljeve i povrate izgubljene sfere uticaje. Nemacka to doduse cini od svoje reunifikacije indirektno, a danas direktno i otvoreno podriva angloamericki poredak.

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[FrediB]

Istorijski gledano, nisu uvek, uglavnom su bili na neki nacin suprotstavljeni u svim vecim ratovima i u geopolitickim sukobima/interesima.

 

Mislio sam vise na njihove fasistoidne ideologe, tipa karla smita, aleksandra shugina itd. Plus na (ne)svetu alijansu A-U, Nemacke i Rusije iz 19. veka , te na ovo surovanje danasnje Nemacke sa rusijom ispod zita i podrivanje sankcija EU prema rusiji. 

 

 

 

 a to kremaljski sociopata i germanski deo Evrope vide kao sansu da ostvare stare imperijalisticke ciljeve i povrate izgubljene sfere uticaje.

Ko zna kakvim bi to haosom rezultovalo na Balkanu... Ameri i NATO barem cuvaju kakav-takav mir ovde, dok bi sa nekom skroz nezavisnom Nemackom (ne daj Boze!) i rusijom u dilu sa tom istom Nemackom imao mozda i gore reprize 40-ih i 90-ih....

Edited by FrediB, 24 December 2018 - 01:12.

[Kinik]

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Aleksandar Dugin.

 

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[FrediB]

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Aleksandar Dugin.

 

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Znam. 

 

Ali, namerno nisam napisao tako, jer takva kreatura i kripto-nacista ne zasluzuje bolji epitet od ''shugin''. 

[Kinik]

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Nije on kripto-nacista, on je ruski fasista i to uopste ne krije.

 

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[McCarthy]

Mislio sam vise na njihove fasistoidne ideologe, tipa karla smita, aleksandra shugina itd. Plus na (ne)svetu alijansu A-U, Nemacke i Rusije iz 19. veka .

 

 

Skoro sam napisao da bi najbolje bilo rasformirati Evropsku Uniju i napraviti labaviju uniju na celu sa UK i SAD. Citav ovaj primitivizam od EU sve vise podseca na naslednicu osovine Nemacke Imperije i Austrougarske. Hans-Dietrich Genscher je bio prvi u nizu koji je to demonstrirao, a danas je merljiv citav aftermath reunifikacije dve Nemacke. Ove pozicije germanskog dela Evrope nisu od juce, jer su potezi Nemacke povlaceni mnogo ranije da bi do ovih ideoloskih i geopolitickih podela uopste sada doslo.

 

In sum, trebalo je poslusati najvecu premijerku 20. veka, besmrtnu Margaret Thatcher 1989. i ostaviti tu drzavu podeljenu na dva dela.

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[FrediB]

Skoro sam napisao da bi najbolje bilo rasformirati Evropsku Uniju i napraviti labaviju uniju na celu sa UK i SAD. 

Upravo tako. Ja, kao tipicni atlantista se i zalazem za to. 

 

Ove pozicije germanskog dela Evrope nisu od juce, jer su potezi Nemacke povlaceni mnogo ranije da bi do ovih ideoloskih i geopolitickih podela uopste sada doslo.

 

In sum, trebalo je poslusati najvecu premijerku 20. veka, besmrtnu Margaret Thatcher 1989. i ostaviti tu drzavu podeljenu na dva dela.

Cim malo olabave lanci oko Svabosa, te malo dignu glavu i uzjogune se, odma' su  u stanju da naprave dar-mar... Treba ih drzati na najkracem mogucem lancu. Historia magistra vitæ est.

Edited by FrediB, 24 December 2018 - 01:34.

[Kinik]

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Ne bih ja isao toliko daleko.

 

Njima jednostavno treba reci da nisu jedini prodavci u Evropi / na svetu, i da ipak malo kontrolisu svoje merkantilne porive.

 

A sto se tice ruske pomijare - sta da im kazes kada skoro u svakoj od evropskih zemalja imas neku vrstu 'srederizacije' i lokalne placene kremaljske korisne idiJote.

 

Onaj virus kad ga pogledas kroz mikroskop, skoro nemas sta da vidis - no to se razmnozava ludackom brzinom i unistava sve oko sebe.

 

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[FrediB]

skoro u svakoj od evropskih zemalja imas neku vrstu 'srederizacije' i lokalne placene kremaljske korisne idiJote.

 

Jedino ne u Poljskoj i mozda u Litvaniji. 

[McCarthy]

Ameri i NATO barem cuvaju kakav-takav mir ovde, dok bi sa nekom skroz nezavisnom Nemackom (ne daj Boze!) i rusijom u dilu sa tom istom Nemackom imao mozda i gore reprize 40-ih i 90-ih....

 
Ni jugoslavenska drzava se ne bi raspala u krvavim ratovima da se Nemci nisu umesali i da su proces disolucije vodili Vasington, London i Pariz. Vec 1990. je germanski deo Evrope zapoceo podrivanje SAD i anuliranje rezultata WWII:






 

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[FrediB]

^^

 

Opste poznate cinjenice. 

 

Inace, Nemacka se ponovo ujedinila i uz saglasnost rusije, tj. tada vec raspadajuce eseseserije. Cisto da se zna. 

[McCarthy]

May Fights for Brexit Deal, Warns of Second Referendum Risk
By Alex Morales
January 6, 2019, 3:20 PM GMT+1 Updated on January 6, 2019, 4:21 PM GMT+1
 
Theresa May stepped up her battle to persuade her opponents in the British Parliament to back her Brexit deal, warning the U.K. will be in “uncharted territory” if they reject her plan in a key vote this month.
 
The prime minister outlined a three-pronged campaign to win support for the agreement she’s struck with the European Union, proposing to give Parliament a bigger say over the future trade terms with the bloc and promising other sweeteners to woo her critics.
 
If she fails to secure the support of the House of Commons in a vote scheduled for about Jan. 15, May suggested Brexit without a deal would be on the cards -- something analysis by the Treasury and the Bank of England suggests could be economically devastating. She even left open the dramatic option of a second referendum, while insisting she doesn’t want one.

Last month, she was forced to postpone the crucial vote in the Commons on whether to approve the terms of the divorce she’s negotiated over the past 18 months with the EU, acknowledging her plan would have been overwhelmingly defeated.

EU TALKS

Since then May has held talks with EU leaders in an attempt to win new assurances she hopes will persuade skeptical politicians to back her deal. She said she’s "still working on" the negotiation with the EU but confirmed the delayed vote will go ahead as planned later in January.
On Sunday, May promised to set out in the next few days new details in three key areas: how the agreement will operate in Northern Ireland; how members of Parliament will be given more influence over Brexit policy in the future; and the extra assurances she’s still aiming to secure from the EU.
"If the deal is not voted on at this vote that’s coming up, then actually we’re going to be in uncharted territory," May said on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show. "I don’t think anybody can say exactly what will happen in terms of the reaction that we’ll see in Parliament."

Fallback Provision

May faces opposition to her deal both from Brexiteer lawmakers in her own Conservative Party and from her allies in Northern Ireland’s Democratic Unionist Party, which props up her minority government.
 
They’re concerned about a fallback provision known as the Northern Ireland backstop, that would take effect if the U.K. and EU can’t strike a trade deal by the end of 2020. The main concerns are that it would permanently tie the U.K. to EU trade rules, and erect barriers between Northern Ireland and the rest of the U.K.
"This is not intended to be used in the first place, and if it is, it’s only temporary," she said of the backstop. "Ensuring that we actually get the future relationship in place to replace the backstop if it’s used is actually a crucial element of this."

 
Nevertheless, her deal still looks like it will struggle to pass in Parliament. One of her predecessors as Tory leader, Iain Duncan Smith, wrote in the Mail on Sunday newspaper that "this deal simply doesn’t work, and, far from securing Brexit, it shackles us to the EU." And DUP deputy leader Nigel Dodds said on Sunday that "fundamental problems" remain in the deal, and "the backstop remains the poison which makes any vote for the Withdrawal Agreement so toxic."

Multiple Votes

May refused six times on the Marr show to say whether she would seek multiple votes should Parliament keep rejecting the deal. Instead she warned pro-Brexit lawmakers not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good, lest “we end up with no Brexit at all.”
 
The premier also refused to say whether she would implement any decision by Parliament to hold a second plebiscite, saying that "the House of Commons obviously will come to its view on these things.”
 
"In my view there should not be a second referendum," May said, warning that a new national vote would "divide our country" and require a delay to Brexit.
May has repeatedly said that the alternatives to her Brexit deal are "no deal" or "no Brexit." But she declined to say which of those two alternatives she preferred, saying her deal was what she would choose.
 
Lawmakers, however, are seeking to flex their muscles.
 
A cross-party group of rank-and-file Conservative and Labour members said on Sunday that they’re seeking to amend the government’s Finance Bill to ensure the "no deal" provisions in it can only be implemented if Parliament votes to allow it.
 
Their goal is to ensure that a “no deal” Brexit could only be delivered with the explicit consent of Parliament -- something that is unlikely given a majority of lawmakers oppose such an outcome. Conservatives including former ministers Nicky Morgan, Oliver Letwin and Nick Boles put their name to it.

Edited by McConnell, 06 January 2019 - 18:42.