QUOTE(maxivida @ 12 Jan 2005, 14:57)
QUOTE(modestyblaise @ 12 Jan 2005, 14:48)
Ma, skroz si odlutala. Pa ko je rekao da moze da se konzumira samo sirovo, nadjeno u prirodi. To nema veze. Malo si razradila temu u pogresnom pravcu. Bilo je samo reci o tome da coveku nije POTREBNO mleko kao osnovna namirnica.
Vidi ove sajtove ako te zanima.
Nisam odlutala, nego me interesuje princip na kome počiva veganska filozofija, a tebe pitam jer si rekla da si bila vegan, znači verovala u nju. Gde počinje, a gde se završava pravilo u vezi sa tim što nam je potrebno i što nam nije potrebno? Nije ti POTREBNA ni kockica bezmlečne čokolade, jer sav šećer koji treba tvom organizmu možeš da dobiješ iz voća - pa čokolada opet nije zabranjena, a mleko jeste. Pokušavam da ti pokažem da je taj argument u stvari "argument" - plitak i smešan. Ovi drugi koje si navela su manje-više OK.
Moj argument je bio zdravlje i zivotinje. Ja sam se dobro osecala na vegan dijeti i to je bilo dovoljno. Kao sto rekoh, ja sam samo
navela argumente onih koji ne jedu mlecne proizvode kao informaciju. Meni je taj argument bio najmanje vazan. Meni mleko smeta. Ponavljam da sada jedem neke mlecne proizvode. Jedino pravilo veganizma je - da se ne konzumira hrana zivotinjskog porekla ( i cokolada ako u njoj ima mleka itd). Nema drugih pravila.
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zašti bi se neko uopšte odricao svih namirnica životinjskog porekla, a naročito meda?
Za ovo pitanje nemam zivaca, preporucujem sajtove koje sam navela negde gore. Cisto da se stekne slika motivacije za tako nesto.
Sto se meda tice, ja sam uvek jela med.
evo samo malo koga mrzi da ide na sajt:
General Questions
Q. What is a vegan?
A. By definition, a vegan (most commonly pronounced VEE-gun) is a person who does not eat animal products, including meat, fish, seafood, eggs, and dairy. But veganism is more about what people choose than about what they avoid. For example, vegans demonstrate respect for all life — their own, the planet's, and the animals' — not only by eating plant-based foods, but also by choosing nonfood items (such as nonleather shoes) that are produced without animal byproducts. Many vegans also go out of their way to choose cosmetics and personal care items that do not contain animal byproducts and are not tested on animals.
Q. Isn't veganism unnecessarily extreme? If I just quit meat but continue to eat eggs and dairy, animals don't have to die so I can eat, right?
A. Some vegetarians believe their choices don't hurt laying hens and dairy cows. However, vegetarians who eat eggs contribute to the death of 200 million male chicks each year. Since there is no such thing as a "layer rooster," these animals serve no purpose in the egg industry and are killed shortly after hatching. Most layer hens are kept five to a tiny battery cage, where they must stand and sleep on a wire floor 24 hours a day. Living under these horrendous conditions, a hen needs about 30 hours to lay just one egg. Even though a chicken can live five years, most hens are killed before their second birthday because their egg production declines with age.
With cows, the story is quite similar. Just as hens lay fewer eggs as they age, dairy cows produce less milk as they get older. Even though a cow can live twenty years, most dairy cows are sent to the slaughterhouse at age five. Additionally, the veal industry could never exist in its present form without the existence of the dairy industry. Since cows must be impregnated to give milk, calves are a byproduct of the dairy industry. Each dairy cow produces about five calves during her lifetime, only one of which on average will become a dairy calf. Male calves — since they cannot become dairy cows— are often sold to the veal industry for about five dollars each. The flood of cheap calves created by the dairy industry allows the veal industry to survive in its current form.
Q. What ethical, health, and environmental advantages are there to becoming vegan?
A. Regarding ethics, a vegan diet eliminates a tremendous amount of killing. The average U.S. resident eats more than 40 chickens a year, as well as a substantial amount of beef and pork. Thus, every one person switching to a vegan diet keeps dozens of animals out of the slaughterhouse each year. Regarding health, it's important to note that both eggs and whole milk products contain large amounts of cholesterol and saturated fat — the two major culprits that also give meat products such an unhealthy name. And, regarding the environment, cattle grazing is widely considered among environmental advocates to be the largest single cause of wildlife loss and acreage destruction in the United States.
Q. Where did the word vegan come from?
A. A shortened version of "vegetarian," the word "vegan" was coined in the 1940s by a vegetarian society in England to distinguish members who chose to consume absolutely no products derived from animals.
Q. Why do people become vegan?
A. Many paths lead to veganism. Some people begin as a result of their love for animals. Actively boycotting products and industries that exploit animals is a powerful statement. Other people become vegan because they are concerned about the quality of life on the planet, which cannot be sustained given the prevailing meat-centered diet. Some people begin to make diet changes for their own health and then discover the ethical and environmental reasons to go further.
Q. Does a vegan diet carry any dangers?
A. Experts agree that vegans appear to enjoy equal or better health in comparison to both vegetarians and nonvegetarians. The best short article on the benefits and risks of a vegan diet is the Position Paper on Vegetarian Diets put out by the American Dietetic Association. By following the eating advice in The Vegetarian Starter Kit (put out by the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine), new vegans will be well on their way to avoiding any potential nutrient deficiencies.
Q. Are there any people who won't thrive on a vegan diet?
A. Absolutely. The ones who subsist on the famed potato chip and cola diet come immediately to mind. But seriously, as stated by the American Dietetic Association, vegetarian diets — like all diets — need to be planned appropriately to be nutritionally adequate. Choosing healthful foods as part of a balanced diet makes sense for everyone — not just vegetarians or vegans.
