Moto GP 2008

GP PARTS EUROPE DE LA COMUNITAT VALENCIANA


125cc Race Classification
Pos. Points Num. Rider Nation Team Motorcycle Total time Km/h Gap
1 25 24 Simone CORSI ITA Jack & Jones WRB Aprilia 40'45.715 141.485
2 20 18 Nicolas TEROL SPA Jack & Jones WRB Aprilia 40'45.821 141.478 0.106
3 16 63 Mike DI MEGLIO FRA Ajo Motorsport Derbi 40'45.938 141.472 0.223
4 13 38 Bradley SMITH GBR Polaris World Aprilia 40'46.491 141.440 0.776
5 11 11 Sandro CORTESE GER Emmi - Caffe Latte Aprilia 40'47.048 141.407 1.333
6 10 29 Andrea IANNONE ITA I.C. Team Aprilia 41'07.293 140.247 21.578
7 9 71 Tomoyoshi KOYAMA JPN Red Bull KTM 125 KTM 41'15.102 139.805 29.387
8 8 45 Scott REDDING GBR Blusens Aprilia Junior Aprilia 41'15.134 139.803 29.419
9 7 22 Pablo NIETO SPA Onde 2000 KTM KTM 41'23.774 139.317 38.059
10 6 12 Esteve RABAT SPA Repsol KTM 125cc KTM 41'24.196 139.293 38.481
11 5 8 Lorenzo ZANETTI ITA ISPA KTM Aran KTM 41'24.656 139.267 38.941
12 4 7 Efren VAZQUEZ SPA Blusens Aprilia Junior Aprilia 41'34.181 138.735 48.466
13 3 40 Lorenzo SAVADORI ITA I.C. Team Aprilia 41'34.517 138.717 48.802
14 2 5 Alexis MASBOU FRA Loncin Racing Loncin 41'36.055 138.631 50.340
15 1 28 Enrique JEREZ SPA ISPA KTM Aran KTM 41'36.290 138.618 50.575
16 73 Takaaki NAKAGAMI JPN I.C. Team Aprilia 41'37.935 138.527 52.220
17 34 Randy KRUMMENACHER SWI Red Bull KTM 125 KTM 41'40.762 138.370 55.047
18 94 Jonas FOLGER GER Red Bull KTM 125 KTM 41'40.854 138.365 55.139
19 16 Jules CLUZEL FRA Loncin Racing Loncin 41'41.261 138.343 55.546
20 72 Marco RAVAIOLI ITA Matteoni Racing Aprilia 41'46.004 138.081 1'00.289
21 95 Robert MURESAN ROU Grizzly Gas Kiefer Racing Aprilia 41'55.857 137.540 1'10.142
22 48 Bastien CHESAUX SWI WTR San Marino Team Aprilia 42'11.880 136.669 1'26.165
23 69 Louis ROSSI FRA FFM Honda GP 125 Honda 42'12.122 136.656 1'26.407
24 78 Daniel SAEZ SPA Gaviota Prosolia Racing Aprilia 42'27.435 135.835 1'41.720
25 25 Cristian TRABALON SPA Alpo Atletico de Madrid Aprilia 41'06.206 134.463 1 Lap
Not classified
30 Pere TUTUSAUS SPA Alpo Atletico de Madrid Aprilia 40'22.891 1 Lap
51 Stevie BONSEY USA Degraaf Grand Prix Aprilia 25'36.210 9 Lap
6 Joan OLIVE SPA Belson Derbi Derbi 24'47.194 10 Lap
26 Adrian MARTIN SPA Bancaja Aspar Team Aprilia 19'10.305 13 Lap
35 Raffaele DE ROSA ITA Onde 2000 KTM KTM 13'52.548 16 Lap
1 Gabor TALMACSI HUN Bancaja Aspar Team Aprilia 10'20.926 18 Lap
99 Danny WEBB GBR Degraaf Grand Prix Aprilia 10'35.076 18 Lap
21 Robin LASSER GER Grizzly Gas Kiefer Racing Aprilia 10'35.891 18 Lap
77 Dominique AEGERTER SWI Ajo Motorsport Derbi 5'50.042 21 Lap
33 Sergio GADEA SPA Bancaja Aspar Team Aprilia 3'31.402 22 Lap
17 Stefan BRADL GER Grizzly Gas Kiefer Racing Aprilia 3'31.912 22 Lap
Not finished 1st lap
56 Hugo VAN DEN BERG NED Degraaf Grand Prix Aprilia
75 Ricard CARDUS SPA Andalucia Derbi Derbi
Not starting
44 Pol ESPARGARO SPA Belson Derbi Derbi
Disqualified
23 Julian MIRALLES SPA Bancaja Mir CEV Aprilia

250cc Race Classification
Pos. Points Num. Rider Nation Team Motorcycle Total time Km/h Gap
1 25 58 Marco SIMONCELLI ITA Metis Gilera Gilera 43'29.003 149.208
2 20 72 Yuki TAKAHASHI JPN JiR Team Scot 250 Honda 43'34.167 148.913 5.164
3 16 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA Mapfre Aspar Team Aprilia 43'37.651 148.715 8.648
4 13 15 Roberto LOCATELLI ITA Metis Gilera Gilera 43'44.608 148.321 15.605
5 11 4 Hiroshi AOYAMA JPN Red Bull KTM 250 KTM 43'49.994 148.017 20.991
6 10 55 Hector FAUBEL SPA Mapfre Aspar Team Aprilia 43'51.215 147.949 22.212
7 9 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA Lotus Aprilia Aprilia 43'52.202 147.893 23.199
8 8 14 Ratthapark WILAIROT THA Thai Honda PTT SAG Honda 43'52.324 147.886 23.321
9 7 75 Mattia PASINI ITA Polaris World Aprilia 44'06.427 147.098 37.424
10 6 12 Thomas LUTHI SWI Emmi - Caffe Latte Aprilia 44'07.890 147.017 38.887
11 5 36 Mika KALLIO FIN Red Bull KTM 250 KTM 44'13.068 146.730 44.065
12 4 25 Alex BALDOLINI ITA Matteoni Racing Aprilia 44'40.002 145.255 1'10.999
13 3 10 Imre TOTH HUN Team Toth Aprilia Aprilia 45'00.953 144.129 1'31.950
14 2 92 Daniel ARCAS SPA Blusens Aprilia Aprilia 45'08.113 143.748 1'39.110
15 1 35 Simone GROTZKYJ ITA Campetella Racing Gilera 45'10.212 143.636 1'41.209
16 43 Manuel HERNANDEZ SPA Blusens Aprilia Aprilia 43'30.468 143.601 1 Lap
17 17 Karel ABRAHAM CZE Cardion AB Motoracing Aprilia 43'46.647 142.717 1 Lap
18 90 Federico SANDI ITA Zongshen AOS Racing Aprilia 43'59.590 142.017 1 Lap
19 45 Doni Tata PRADITA INA Yamaha Pertamina Indonesia Yamaha 44'03.379 141.813 1 Lap
Not classified
93 Alen GYORFI HUN Team Toth Aprilia Aprilia 40'40.215 3 Lap
6 Alex DEBON SPA Lotus Aprilia Aprilia 34'07.514 6 Lap
60 Julian SIMON SPA Repsol KTM 250cc KTM 30'46.089 8 Lap
32 Fabrizio LAI ITA Campetella Racing Gilera 19'51.935 15 Lap
52 Lukas PESEK CZE Auto Kelly - CP Aprilia 17'58.974 16 Lap
94 Toni WIRSING GER Racing Team Germany Honda 19'09.130 16 Lap

MotoGP Race Classification PDF
Pos. Points Num. Rider Nation Team Motorcycle Total time Km/h Gap
1 25 1 Casey STONER AUS Ducati Marlboro Team Ducati 46'46.114 154.141
2 20 2 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 46'49.504 153.956 3.390
3 16 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Fiat Yamaha Team Yamaha 46'58.308 153.475 12.194
4 13 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA JiR Team Scot MotoGP Honda 47'10.273 152.826 24.159
5 11 69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Repsol Honda Team Honda 47'12.346 152.714 26.232
6 10 5 Colin EDWARDS USA Tech 3 Yamaha Yamaha 47'18.323 152.392 32.209
7 9 56 Shinya NAKANO JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 47'20.685 152.266 34.571
8 8 48 Jorge LORENZO SPA Fiat Yamaha Team Yamaha 47'21.775 152.207 35.661
9 7 65 Loris CAPIROSSI ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP Suzuki 47'24.342 152.070 38.228
10 6 15 Alex DE ANGELIS RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 47'33.697 151.571 47.583
11 5 52 James TOSELAND GBR Tech 3 Yamaha Yamaha 47'38.221 151.331 52.107
12 4 50 Sylvain GUINTOLI FRA Alice Team Ducati 47'38.464 151.319 52.350
13 3 7 Chris VERMEULEN AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP Suzuki 47'38.947 151.293 52.833
14 2 21 John HOPKINS USA Kawasaki Racing Team Kawasaki 47'39.341 151.272 53.227
15 1 14 Randy DE PUNIET FRA LCR Honda MotoGP Honda 47'39.525 151.262 53.411
16 33 Marco MELANDRI ITA Ducati Marlboro Team Ducati 47'54.501 150.474 1'08.387
17 13 Anthony WEST AUS Kawasaki Racing Team Kawasaki 47'57.295 150.328 1'11.181
18 24 Toni ELIAS SPA Alice Team Ducati 48'23.169 148.988 1'37.055


gotovo. nema vise ... verovatno nikad.
ne mogu da verujem kako je brzo proslo, ko juce da je bila prva trka.
to je to, dobra vremena su prosla, sta cu sledece godine da radim nemam pojma.

nova sezona pocinje vec danas, testom u Valenciji.

prvo, raspored testiranja (sa MotoGPMatters):

October 27 - 28 Valencia Spain
November 26 - 27 Jerez Spain
February 5 - 7 Sepang Malaysia
March 1 - 3 Losail Qatar
March 28 - 29 IRTA Test, Jerez Spain


vremena sa jucerasnjeg testa:

Monday MotoGP test times from Valencia, Spain.
1. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 32.464 sec
2. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team (B) 1min 32.672 sec
3. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team (B) 1min 32.921 sec
4. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 33.142 sec
5. Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 33.325 sec
6. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 1min 33.375 sec
7. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team (B) 1min 33.550 sec
8. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Repsol Honda Team (B) 1min 33.676 sec *
9. John Hopkins USA Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 1min 33.760 sec
10. Marco Melandri ITA Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 1min 33.782 sec *
11. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP (B) 1min 33.832 sec
12. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 33.960 sec *
13. Toni Elias SPA San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 1min 34.129 sec *
14. Sete Gibernau SPA Onde 2000 Ducati (B) 1min 34.451 sec *
15. Mika Kallio FIN Alice Team (B) 1min 34.793 sec *
16. Olivier Jacque FRA Kawasaki Test Rider (B) 1min 34.925 secs
17. Niccolo Canepa ITA Alice Team (B) 1min 34.995 sec *
18. Yuki Takahashi JPN Team Scot (B) 1min 35.203 sec *

* Made debut with 2009 team today.



i vremena za poredjenje:

2008 Valencian Grand Prix:
Pole position:
Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro (B) 1min 31.502sec

Fastest race laps:
1. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro (B) 1min 32.582sec
2. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda (B) 1min 32.796sec
3. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha (B) 1min 33.075sec
4. Andrea Dovizioso ITA JiR Team Scot MotoGP (M) 1min 33.313 sec
5. Nicky Hayden USA Repsol Honda Team (M) 1min 33.393 sec
6. Colin Edwards USA Tech 3 Yamaha (M) 1min 33.399 sec
7. Shinya Nakano JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 1min 33.550 sec
8. Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 33.626 sec
9. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 1min 33.973 sec
10. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team (M) 1min 33.884 sec
11. John Hopkins USA Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 1min 34.035 sec
12. Marco Melandri ITA Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 34.117 sec
13. James Toseland GBR Tech 3 Yamaha (M) 1min 34.150 sec
14. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP (M) 1min 34.225 sec
15. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Alice Team (B) 1min 34.462 sec
16. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 34.595 sec
17. Toni Elias SPA Alice Team (B) 1min 34.634 sec
18. Anthony West AUS Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 1min 34.715 sec

tu su svi sem Tech3 Yamahe tj. Edvardsa i Toselanda


Hayden kaze da je zadovoljan, Kallio takodje, a reklo bi se da je i Melandrija malo ogrejalo sunce.

Rossi: 31 'too old' to move to F1
Monday, 27th October 2008

Recently-crowned six-time MotoGP Champion Valentino Rossi has confirmed that he will test a Ferrari F1 car again this winter - but it is, he stresses, purely for fun...

Despite continuing speculation, Valentino Rossi has again re-iterated his conviction that he will be ‘too old' to switch across from two wheels to four and race in Formula 1 when his current Yamaha contract expires – even if he will test for Ferrari again over the winter months.

The Italian – who added an incredible sixth Moto GP Championship crown to his record-breaking career laurels courtesy of victory at Motegi just under a month ago – has tried out with the Scuderia on a number of occasions in the past, most recently at Valencia in Spain in early 2006.

Now, the 29-year-old has confirmed, his dream of celebrating his recent title success with another F1 outing is set to become reality, after the legendary Maranello-based outfit agreed to his request to get back behind the wheel again [see separate story – click here].

That outing will come in addition to Rossi's participation in both the Monza Rally Show and Wales Rally GB – the latter for the second time, following his maiden appearance in 2002 – but he again moved to stress that it there is strictly nothing more to it than that.

“It is just a present to me for winning the championship,” the man from Urbino is quoted as having stated by F1SA. “I have one more year [on my] contract with Yamaha after this, and then I will be 31. That is too old for F1.

“I will drive a Ford on the rally in England, on the weekend of December 7. I am quite excited, because I always have fun in cars, and there is less pressure than at MotoGP.”

Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali was equally keen to play down any return of the speculation linking Rossi to a future in scarlet.

“We have a great relationship with Valentino,” the Italian told Sky television, “and we'll definitely give him the chance to be part of our group again. I think he has already decided the path for his future, though.”

Juce je padala kisa i uglavnom upropastila testiranje. Samo sedmorica upornih izasli na sazu.

MotoGP Valencia October 2008 test – day two best laps
1. N. Hayden, Ducati Marlboro Team - 1´48.287
2. A. Dovizioso, Repsol Honda - 1´48.296
3. M. Melandri, Kawasaki Racing Team - 1´48.786
4. N. Canepa, Alice Team - 1´49.917
5. M. Kallio, Alice Team - 1´50.275
6. T. Elias, Team San Carlo - 1´54.057
7. L. Capirossi, Rizla Suzuki MotoGP - 1´57.322

izgleda da mi onaj raspored testiranja gore nesto nije dobar jer: Further MotoGP tests will take place next month at Phillip Island in Australia and Jerez in soutern Spain.

Rossi: Electronic aids make bikes boring
By Simon Strang and Michele Lostia Wednesday, October 29th 2008, 11:57 GMT

Valentino RossiEight-times world champion Valentino Rossi has blamed the increasing reliance on electronic aids in MotoGP as a key reason for the lack of wheel-to-wheel racing in 2008.

The Yamaha rider described the latest generation of 800cc bikes as 'boring' compared to their predecessors and that while other factors played their part, the ease at which they could be ridden on the limit was a contributing factor in creating processional races like the series finale at Valencia last weekend.

"For sure the 800cc is a more boring bike compared to the 990cc: there's too much electronics," he told Italian magazine Motosprint. "Now, if the electronics work well the bikes become almost perfect and the gaps increase, instead of reduce."

"The [Valencia] track is to blame too, because at no point you can take alternative lines, so you end up lining up one behind the other."

Asked to comment on the fact that it has been two years since there had been a last-lap lead change in a sport that prides itself on close racing, Rossi said: "That's a very bad thing. It's worrying.

"I don't think the single-tyre [rule] is the solution for this problem," he added. "I repeat: the electronics are very sophisticated, the technical evolution is incredible, and next year will be even worse.

"However, there have been some good races this year, so the track counts for a lot. But tracks like Valencia are not good for the show."

Rossi added that while he believed that reducing the reliance on electronic aids such as traction control would help to solve the problem, he didn't believe that it was likely to happen in the near future.

"These engines are designed considering the electronics, so the power output can afford to be aggressive because there are these systems helping out anyway," he said. "We'd need a smoother power output, to the detriment of power, but the engineers don't even want to hear that!

"So these days you can be aggressive, without being precise with the gas, because electronics helps you out anyway."

jos malo na istu temu


Rossi: “Superbike Races More Entertaining Than Ours”

He came to Jerez having already clinched his sixth title in the premier class, his first after a two-year dry spell. After finishing third, taking his 16th podium of the 180race season, Valentino Rossi, sat with a group of Latin journalists following the formal press conference and gave a frank evaluation of the current state of MotoGP racing:

“I sincerely believe today has been the most boring race of the year. Unfortunately each of us had his pace and instead of closing up we just got farther apart. It has been two years now since there has been a last-lap overtaking for the lead and that is worrying for our championship and for motorcycle racing. I can speak now that I am World Champion again, because if I had spoken out about this last year people would have said that I was saying this because I had lost. The difference is this year we whipped them all good. Look, I don’t know if the single tire rule is the correct answer to resolve this problem. Maybe there are other ways. I believe the electronics on our bikes are too sophisticated; development goes on and on and this means that the situation can get even worse. But it is evident that since the arrival of the 800cc bikes the races are more boring than with the 990s, although it is also true that this circuit (Valencia) does not contribute to close racing. I hope future circuits are not designed like this one."

Motorcycle racing has always been differentiated from F1 because it is more exciting, but lately…

VR: "I don’t think that we are as boring yet as F1 and there is still a big difference, but the technology, the evolution of the tires, and the electronics…this certainly does not help the show. The bikes are always more perfect and you can always go faster, but the faster you can go the more likely you are to be riding alone."

But can you even race these bikes without electronics?

VR:"These motors are made knowing that that these electronics are available so I believe that their power delivery would be too complicated to control. But I think it wouldn’t be a bad thing to take a step back and concentrate more on sweetening the power delivery even if this caused a loss of some power. But it seems that the engineers don’t want to even hear of that, so we’ll have to race with the bikes that they give us.

(Then, smiling he went on): "The race today was so boring that I almost fell off at Doohan corner to give some excitement!”

Have you ever ridden a Superbike in order to understand a bit if they are harder to ride or not?

VR: “It was in an earlier time, but I rode a Superbike at the Suzuka 8 Hours twice, the factory VTR, and it really was too much! I had a lot of fun. You come out of corners with the bike sideways like the Beautiful Holy Mother! Even though it had less power than a 500 or a 990, it was really beautiful. If you watch the Superbike races today you see that they are clearly more entertaining than ours. I really like to watch Superbike a lot because they're battling and I love a good fight. But this is the F1 of motorcycle racing where they work more in new technology, and so it is normal that we have it like this. With the Superbikes you have to ride another way -- it doesn’t work to be smooth like here, what counts is control of the bike…courage!”

These are not new sentiments. Privately Rossi has said for some time that traction control is ruining MotoGP racing, but now that he has regained the title Carmelo Ezpeleta can expect to hear more frequent and more vocal criticisms of a championship that has not seen a single last-lap overtaking since the penultimate race of 2006 when Toni Elias gunned down both Kenny Roberts Junior and Valentino Rossi on the final lap to win the Portuguese Grand Prix.

Singapore to host Moto GP after F1 success: report
SINGAPORE (AFP) — Singapore will host a Moto GP from as early as 2011 following its successful staging of a Formula One race this year, a report said Friday citing the sport's boss Carmelo Ezpeleta.

Ezpeleta's company, Dorna Sports, holds the commercial rights to MotoGP and has signed an agreement with an unnamed Singaporean company to stage a round of the 18-leg world championships.

"Yes, I can confirm that we have signed an agreement with a promoter to stage a round of the motorbike world championships in Singapore," Ezpeleta told the Today newspaper.

"But it depends when the permanent track you are going to build will be completed. I understand it will be up in three years' time, so you can have a race there as early as 2011, if not 2012."

Unlike the Formula One Grand Prix Singapore held around its city streets in September, the bikes will race on a purpose-built track in the Changi area of the island.

Despite the difficult economic climate, Singapore Sports Council (SSC) chief executive officer Oon Jin Teik said that plans for the track have not changed.

"The Changi racetrack is a major component of SSC's overall motor sports industry development plan in Singapore and it is intended to be funded by the private sector," said Oon.

"The current financial climate will have an impact on the types and number of bidders that we will be able to attract. Nonetheless, it can only serve to improve their quality and proposals."

Ezpeleta added that Asia was an important area for the sport's future.

"Asia is important to MotoGP's growth and Singapore is at the centre of it, that is why we want to hold a round there. But like I said, my agreement with the promoter in Singapore is subject to the track being built," he said.

Asia will host three Moto GP next year -- in Japan, Australia and Malaysia -- although China has been axed from the calendar.

Tavullia, Italy to lower speed limit in honor of Valentino Rossi
Posted Oct 17th 2008 7:58AM by Jeremy Korzeniewski

It seems a bit odd at first glance that Tavullia, the Italian city with a population of just 7,180 that counts eight-time MotoGP champion (including this year's World Championship) Valentino Rossi as its most famous son, would actually lower the town's speed limits in the racer's honor. After all, Rossi makes his living going as fast as possible. But, according to an unnamed spokesman for the local council, "He is the town's most famous son... Changing the speed limit is a fitting tribute to a man who has made his fame and fortune entirely out of his skills on the road." Whatever. The speed limit will go from its current 50 kilometers per hour to 46 kph, which just so happens to be Rossi's racing number. The town also expresses its gratitude to its favorite inhabitant for paying it some £500,000 in what the city claimed were back-taxes.

Dovizioso fastest in early going at Jerez

Wednesday, 26 November 2008
Cold conditions see just over half the MotoGP field out on track before 1pm for first day of Official Test.
Andrea Dovizioso in the Repsol Honda garage

One of ten riders to take to the track before 1pm at Jerez, Repsol Honda rider Andrea Dovizioso was the fastest man before lunchtime under chilly conditions. Temperatures hovering around 11 degrees Celsius did little to dissuade the Italian from putting in laps onboard his new factory Honda RC212V, with his fastest thus far being a 1´43.948.

Dovizioso is the only rider at present to breach the 1´44 mark, ahead of San Carlo Gresini´s Alex de Angelis and Toni Elias.

2008 MotoGP World Champion Valentino Rossi is yet to perform his first laps of the two-day test, with both he and Fiat Yamaha teammate Jorge Lorenzo waiting for temperatures to rise. Tech 3 Yamaha, meanwhile, have given their version of the M1 its first runout on Bridgestone tyres, with James Toseland and Colin Edwards amongst the earlier starting of the premier class field.

The all-new Alice Team lineup were in action in the morning, as Mika Kallio and Niccolo Canepa joined Ducati test rider Vittoriano Guareschi in working on their various versions of the Desmosedici. Using the GP9 machine once more was factory team man Nicky Hayden, who was joined in the garage by teammate Casey Stoner for guidance on getting the best out of the `big red bike´. Stoner is sporting a cast following wrist surgery a fortnight ago, and elected to attend the test to oversee the development of the 2009 bike rather than taking an early vacation.
MotoGP Official Test –Jerez: Official Times as of 1pm

1.Andrea Dovizioso Repsol Honda 1´43.948
2.Alex De Angelis San Carlo Honda Gresini 1´44.187
3.Toni Elias San Carlo Honda Gresini 1´44.943
4.James Toseland Tech3 Yamaha 1´44.091
5.Vittoriano Guareschi Ducati Marlboro 1´47.397
6.Mika Kallio Alice Team 1´47.838
7.Yuki Takahashi Scot Racing 1´48.601
8.Colin Edwards Tech3 Yamaha 1´49.779
9.Nicky Hayden Ducati Marlboro 2´00.519
10.Niccolo Canepa Alice Team 2´12.882



Phillip Island Kawasaki And Suzuki Test - Day 1 Times
Submitted by Kropotkin on Wed, 2008-11-26 12:58.

The MotoGP riders are back to work again today, though some earlier than others. The Kawasaki and Suzuki teams have decided to skip the official Jerez test in favor of a private test at Australia's Phillip Island circuit. The choice is particularly important for Suzuki, as the team has struggled to get results at the circuit, the bike being down on both power and suffering with edge grip problems.

So far, the times released from the test, are still some way off the pace they need to run. Marco Melandri is still getting used to the Kawasaki ZX-RR, this being only his 2nd full day of testing on the bike, after the Valencia test in October was curtailed due to rain. But already Melandri is as quick on the Kawasaki as he was on the Ducati during the race here in October, though 0.7 seconds slower than during practice here in October.

John Hopkins was considerably slower, but the American has had some pain from the ankle injury he suffered at Assen in June. The tendons are rubbing on the plate put in place to fix the ankle every time he changes gear, and both knee and ankle are swelling up and painful.

But the fastest Kawasaki rider was test rider Olivier Jacque. The Frenchman is working on a revised chassis, which will form the basis for the 2009 Kawasaki MotoGP bike, due to make its debut at Sepang in February. Jacque believes the chassis should make it possible for him to run consistent 1'31s, which would be faster than the pace of the Kawasakis during the race here.

The Suzukis were both quicker than the Kawasaki men, Loris Capirossi faster his team mate Chris Vermeulen by 4/10ths of a second. But just as at Kawasaki, neither man is close to the times they set in early October, when MotoGP raced here. So despite the revised electronics and suspension, Suzuki still has some work to do.

Suzuki and Kawasaki will be testing at Phillip Island for two more days.

Times released from Phillip Island day 1
1 Loris Capirossi Suzuki 1'31.5
2 Chris Vermeulen Suzuki 1'31.9
3 Olivier Jacque Kawasaki 1'32.4
4 Marco Melandri Kawasaki 1'32.5
5 John Hopkins Kawasaki 1'33.3

Yamaha, Honda and Ducati are running at Jerez in Spain today, and times should be released by the end of the day, local time. There is one surprise visitor present at the Spanish track, and that is Casey Stoner. The 2007 World Champion won't be riding at Jerez, as he is still convalescing from the operation he had at the end of October to fix the scaphoid problem he had. However, his presence in the Ducati garage, keeping a close eye on Nicky Hayden's progress on the Ducati GP9, is a sign of just how determined the Australian is to recover the title he lost this year.

MotoGP Official Test –Jerez: Official Times Day One

1. Dani Pedrosa – Repsol Honda - 1´39.525 (41)
2. Valentino Rossi – Fiat Yamaha - 1´40.135 (39)
3. Jorge Lorenzo - Fiat Yamaha – 1´41.163 (51)
4. Colin Edwards - Tech 3 Yamaha - 1´41.390 (49)
5. Alex De Angelis - San Carlo Honda Gresini - 1´41.468 (53)
6. James Toseland - Tech 3 Yamaha- 1´41.539 (50)
7. Andrea Dovizioso - Repsol Honda - 1´41.655 (48)
8. Toni Elias – San Carlo Honda Gresini – 1´41.679 (74)
9. Niccolo Canepa - Alice Team Ducati - 1´42.074 (50)
10. Nicky Hayden – Ducati Marlboro - 1´42.098 (69)
11. Mika Kallio – Alice Team Ducati - 1´42.837 (58)
12. Sete Gibernau – Onde 2000 Ducati - 1´42.943 (40)
13. Vittoriano Guareschi – Ducati - 1´43.642 (36)
14. Yuki Takahashi - Scot Racing Honda – 1´44.360 (64)

Dan drugi
Pos Rider Team Fastest lap Prev. Gap Lead. Gap Laps
1 Valentino Rossi Fiat Yamaha Team 1:39.429 - - 54
2 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda 1:39.447 +0.018 +0.018 47
3 Jorge Lorenzo Fiat Yamaha Team 1:40.426 +0.979 +0.997 58
4 Toni Elias San Carlo Honda Gresini 1:40.448 +0.022 +1.019 56
5 Alex De Angelis San Carlo Honda Gresini 1:40.486 +0.038 +1.057 49
6 Nicky Hayden Ducati Marlboro Team 1:40.486 - +1.057 70
7 Mika Kallio Alice Team 1:40.564 +0.078 +1.135 54
8 Colin Edwards Tech3 Yamaha 1:40.604 +0.040 +1.175 39
9 Sete Gibernau ONDE 2000 Ducati 1:40.856 +0.252 +1.427 48
10 Andrea Dovizioso Repsol Honda 1:40.966 +0.110 +1.537 46
11 Niccolo Canepa Alice Team 1:41.077 +0.111 +1.648 48
12 James Toseland Tech3 Yamaha 1:41.740 +0.663 +2.311 45
13 Vitto Guareschi Ducati Marlboro Team 1:42.906 +1.166 +3.477 46
14 Yuki Takahashi Scot Racing Team 1:42.918 +0.012 +3.489 60


Kombinovana vremena oba dana
Pos Rider Team Session 1 Session 2 Prev. Gap Lead. Gap
1 Valentino Rossi Fiat Yamaha Team 1:40.135 1:39.429 - -
2 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda 1:39.525 1:39.447 +0.018 +0.018
3 Jorge Lorenzo Fiat Yamaha Team 1:41.163 1:40.426 +0.979 +0.997
4 Toni Elias San Carlo Honda Gresini 1:41.679 1:40.448 +0.022 +1.019
5 Alex De Angelis San Carlo Honda Gresini 1:41.468 1:40.486 +0.038 +1.057
6 Nicky Hayden Ducati Marlboro Team 1:42.098 1:40.486 - +1.057
7 Mika Kallio Alice Team 1:42.837 1:40.564 +0.078 +1.135
8 Colin Edwards Tech3 Yamaha 1:41.390 1:40.604 +0.040 +1.175
9 Sete Gibernau ONDE 2000 Ducati 1:42.943 1:40.856 +0.252 +1.427
10 Andrea Dovizioso Repsol Honda 1:41.655 1:40.966 +0.110 +1.537
11 Niccolo Canepa Alice Team 1:42.074 1:41.077 +0.111 +1.648
12 James Toseland Tech3 Yamaha 1:41.539 1:41.740 +0.462 +2.110
13 Vitto Guareschi Ducati Marlboro Team 1:43.642 1:42.906 +1.367 +3.477
14 Yuki Takahashi Scot Racing Team 1:44.360 1:42.918 +0.012 +3.489

Brivio: Fiat Yamaha wall stays, but the competitiveness is normal
Thursday, 27 November 2008
Rossi crew chief explains decision to keep garage partition in place in 2009.

The introduction of a single-tyre rule for 2009 will not bring about the demolition of the Fiat Yamaha garage-separating wall, with Valentino Rossi and Jorge Lorenzo both remaining with their own distinct crews for their respective title challenges. The head of Rossi´s side, Davide Brivio, explained the decision to keep with a winning formula on Wednesday at the Official Test in Jerez.

`It was something that we brought in for 2008 (when the duo ran tyres from two different brands) and it worked well, so we will maintain it,´ says Brivio. `It is not an odd thing that with two riders like Valentino Rossi and Jorge Lorenzo there would be some competitiveness there.

`We found that this situation allows everybody to work in a more focused and concentrated way, and with the two different crews that we have within the team the rider can feel that he has a group working exclusively for his needs.´

The current visit to Jerez sees Rossi using both the 2008 and 2009 versions of the Yamaha M1, and Brivio indicates that it is a final chance for preparation before a concentrated program with the latest prototype.

`We´re looking to find the final specification for the 2009 bike at these tests. The target here is to check a few things to work on over the winter and look at the adjustments again in Sepang. In January we normally assemble the final specs, so this will be the last test for the latest information,´ explains the Italian.

ok, sta smo sve propustili usled moje lenjosti


Sete i njegova cuvena plocica. verovatno ni sam ne zna koliko je puta menjao, a sad je evo vadi
Gibernau collarbone plate removal

jos neki muku muce sa gvozdjem
Hopkins has metal plates removed in California

mozda to i nisu neke znacajne vesti, nego razmisljam da li oni nekad pomisle "moje telo ovo vise ne moze da izdrzi". sve ludak do ludaka! mislila sam da je Sete bas zbog povreda prestao da vozi.


dok se neki druze sa lekarima (a da, i Stoner je imao operaciju) drugi pisu knjige
New Toseland book hits stores
da, new, ovo mu je druga. prva bese "James Toseland: The Autobiography" mo's mis'iti, da nisi malo mlad za to? ova nova je "A Year in MotoGP". ja stvarno mislim da je on skroz ok lik ali ovo mi je bas, bas bezveze.



a sad, posle F1, stize i moto GP
Honda considering 2009 MotoGP cuts
By Matthew Birt
09 December 2008 10:06

Honda has refused to confirm it will maintain its current level of involvement in MotoGP next season after the Japanese factory’s shock move to quit Formula One.

CEO and chairman Takeo Fukui dropped a bombshell last week when he announced Honda would withdraw from F1 because of the impact of the global economic crisis.

And as a result, HRC has confirmed its level of involvement in MotoGP in 2009 is “under consideration.”

HRC currently provides nearly a third of the grid for MotoGP, with the Japanese factory planning to field six of the 19 bikes in 2009.

When asked by MCN if HRC would retain that level of participation, a factory spokesman in Japan said: “We are under consideration, and cannot answer. More than we imagined, the economic crisis has had an influence on what we do.

Therefore, there is an implication for MotoGP as well. The situation is serious.”

ima jos

FIM Unveils "Moto2" - 600cc Four-Stroke Regulations To Replace 250s
Submitted by Kropotkin on Thu, 2008-12-11 16:15.

The FIM today finally announced at least a preliminary version of the rules for the new four-stroke class to replace the 250s. Many of the proposals had already leaked out, and even been discussed publicly, but now that the basic proposals are out in full, a much clearer picture of the goal of the regulations is starting to appear.

The main points of the regulations, which are due to come into force in 2011, can be summarized as follows:

Engine:

All engines must be conventionally aspirated (e.g. no turbos) four-stroke engines with a maximum capacity of 600cc, using a maximum of 4 cylinders. The following maximum engine speeds will be enforced using an electronics package to be supplied by the organizers:
4 cylinder engines 16,000 RPM
3 cylinder engines 15,500 RPM
2 cylinder engines 15,000 RPM

Valves will be as conventional as possible, with no pneumatic valves or variable valve timing or lift allowed. Valves must be of an iron-based alloy, ruling out the more expensive alloys.

Fuel Injection and Exhaust Systems:

Fuel systems are to be as conventional as possible, too. Throttle bodies must be circular, with a single control or butterfly valve. Variable inlet tract systems are banned, as are variable length exhaust systems and direct injection. Throttle body internal diameters will be limited as follows:
4 cylinder engines 42 mm
3 cylinder engines 48 mm
2 cylinder engines 59 mm

Fuel injection pressures will be limited to 5 Bar, and spec fuel injectors will be used. The engines must use conventional, commercially available unleaded fuel.

The maximum noise levels will be raised to 120 dB/A.

Transmission:

Gearboxes will be limited to 6 speeds, as they are currently. However, the gear ratios will be considerably limited. At the start of the season, teams will have to nominate all gear ratios they will be using that year. For each speed, 3 possible ratios will be permitted, as well as 2 different primary drive ratios.

One rule on transmissions is worthy of note:

Electro-mechanical or electro-hydraulic clutch actuating systems are not permitted.

It is not entirely clear what the purpose of this is, though the main suspect must be electrically or hydraulically assisted slipper clutches.

Electronics:

The organizer (in this instance, Dorna) will provide a standardized or spec ECU, which will cost a maximum of JPY 75,000 (about EUR 650, or USD 820). The spec ECU will include fuel injection, ignition, datalogging, timing transponder and rev limit functions. All other electronic systems for datalogging or electronic control will be banned.

Chassis, Running Gear and Materials:

All major chassis components (frame, tank, seat, fairing, swing arm) must be prototypes. The rules explicitly forbid use of items from road-going machinery, to avoid a conflict of interest with Infront Motor Sports (formerly FG Sport) and the World Supersport series.

Carbon brakes are banned, as are carbon wheels. Rim widths and diameters are limited front and rear, to 4 inches (front) and 6-6.25 inches (rear) with a diameter of 17 inches. Tire quantities will be restricted.

"Non-conventional" materials and manufacturing processes will be banned, to try and keep costs down. The FIM will issue a list of banned materials, which it will presumably have to keep updating regularly. Iron-based or aluminium alloys must be used for several key components, including crankshafts, camshafts, con rods, valve springs, pistons, crankcases and cylinder heads. No definition is given of an "iron-based" alloy.

General Rules:

Teams will only be allowed one bike and two engines per race weekend. There will be a claiming rule, allowing any team to purchase the engine of any other team, minus throttle bodies, exhaust system and ECU, for EUR 20,000, or USD 26,500. Any claim must be made within 1 hour of the race finishing. Refusing to sell the engine will mean automatic disqualification.

So What Does It All Mean?

It's clear that the FIM has gone out of its way to ensure that there are no clashes between the current World Supersport regulations and the new Moto2 class. The rules specifically forbid the use of production chassis components. However, it remains to be seen whether this will be sufficient for the Flammini brothers, as it would still be possible to drop, say, a Honda CBR600RR engine into a custom chassis and enter it into the series.

The rules also highlight Dorna's thinking on MotoGP. The introduction of a spec ECU is an obvious testbed for a similar move in MotoGP, and with Dorna controlling the specifications for such a system, they will be attempting to exclude traction control.

Unfortunately, providing a spec ECU makes the job of the data technician that much more difficult, and to get the maximum advantage out of the situation, teams will need to employ a lot of highly-skilled and expensive programmers. Though aimed at reducing costs, this one measure will turn out to be the one which increases costs the most.

The claiming rule looks like being the rule least likely to succeed. If Team A can buy Team B's engine at the end of the race, and Team B believe their biggest advantage is in their engine, then it is in Team B's interests to ensure that the engine doesn't make it back into the pits in one piece. Ideally, the engine would destroy itself as the rider entered pit lane at the end of the race.

Obviously, you couldn't afford to do this as a privateer team, as the costs involved would be too high. But if you are a major manufacturer, sacrificing an engine each race weekend is an affordable way of discouraging the privateer teams (who would have the most to gain from the claiming rule) from actually trying to apply the claiming rule.

The point of the rules is clear: To attempt to reduce the cost of racing, and get more teams into the class. With a factory-spec Aprilia 250 costing around $1 million to lease for a season, that's a laudable and necessary aim. The question is, will they succeed? Issuing a list of banned materials (excluded because of the cost of manufacturing) seems like a great place to start, but like the list of banned performance-enhancing substances in professional sports, it's hard to keep up. Whether or not the bikes get cheaper to produce, the regulations are certainly going to be a lot more expensive to enforce.

The final question is whether the 250 class will be capable of capturing the imagination of the fans. This is a much more difficult question, and one that has no clear answer. The current 250cc two-stroke racing machines, though arguably the purest race bikes on the planet, no longer have any bearing on the types of bikes that most MotoGP fans or other motorcyclists ride. The two stroke-engine is slowly dying out, mostly as a result of its reputation as extremely polluting, a reputation it does not necessarily deserve. Replacing two-stroke engines with four strokes will certainly bring the bikes being raced much closer to the type of machinery the fans rode up on. This is also the reason for selecting 600cc as the maximum engine capacity, the 600cc sportsbike is a huge sales hit for just about every manufacturer who makes such a machine.

The problem is that the rules as they stand will leave the bikes racing around the track looking a lot less sophisticated than the machines the fans rode up on. Oval inlet tracts, variable inlet length, variable exhaust length, all these things are becoming commonplace on 600cc road bikes. Traction control is not far behind. And as the 600cc market becomes more cutthroat, and the World Supersport series becomes more important as a marketing tool, the evolution of the 600cc bikes is only going to get faster, with the 600cc supersport machine on the dealer's floor quickly outstripping the Moto2 bike in terms of sophistication.

The real test will come when the racing starts. If the World Supersport bikes keep getting better, then they are likely to be, and to remain, quicker than the new Moto2 class bikes at every circuit both bikes go to. The question is, will that matter to the fans?

Edited by memento, 11 December 2008 - 21:58.