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#10681 boxcube

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 15:06

Pa to bas i nije istina. Sve ankete pokazuju da je solidna vecina gradjana za zabranu automatskog oruzja u privatnom posedu i to se nije bitno menjalo poslednjih 30+ godina. Ali pretpostavljam da ce Alex Jones dokazati da je i ova nova pucnjava zavera Obame, Hillary, Sorosa i Johna McCaina za uspostavljanje iluminatske UN vladavine...

 

Nisam bas naјbolje istrazio detalje pa ne mogu da tvrdim da nije tako i dopustam mogucnost da je tako kako kazes, samo sam poucen iskustvom skeptican prema tim raznim anketama narocito oko pitanja gde se koplja lome i na ideoloskom planu a ne samo na saznajnom i tehnickom. Tipican primer su pitanja na politicalcompass.org. Oni su bukvalno posli od premise da ako si iole racionalan, obrazovan, smaras naucna saznanja od sustinske vaznosti i visoko vrednujes umetnost jedino sto mozes da budes je ili socijaldemokrata ili levi anarhista. Tako kvarno formulisu pitanja. Ako ne smatras da je umetnost manje znacajne od nauke i tehnologije bivas svrstan u ljude koji se zalazu za sto vece oporezivanje i obaveznu drzavnu kontrolu nad obrazovanjem i jos citavim nizom stvari vezanim za umetnosti i kutluru uopste. Smatras svemirski program i biotehnologiju od izuzetnog znacaja, obavezno moras da se zalazes za drzvanu kontrolu nad tim i sto vece poreze za finasiranje istih.  Da ne govorim o novinarskim pitanjima na tu temu. Zato kazem, nije mi problem da prihvatim da si u pravu i da si bolje istrazi o cemu se radi ali za sada ostajem skeptican po pitanju i ove i mnogih takvih anketa.

 

Sto se same teme tice, pitao sam te prosli put pa verovatno nisi video, kako resiti problem posedovanja automatskog oruzja kad smo na pragu revolucije u proizvodnji koju donosi razvoj 3d stampe i pametnih materijala? Recimo da nekako NRA lobi propadne i da se donosu neki smisleniji zakoni kako spreciti ljude da sami naveliko prave M4/AK-47 bez stvaranja totalitarne drzave?


Edited by boxcube, 02 October 2017 - 18:42.

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#10682 Korida

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 15:34

DAES preuzeo odgovornost za napad u LV. Vele da je napadac presao u islam pre nekoliko meseci.
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#10683 yossarian

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 16:09

Ne poznajem mnogo muslimana pa nemam neki uzorak o kako je ovdje, definitivno nije kao sto si opisao. Jedan prijatelj, za kojeg znam da posti Ramazan, radi svo vrijeme, ne trazi neki specijalan tretman niti bi ga dobio.

 

Jedan drugi ima svoju kompaniju, pa moze da ne radi kad god hoce ali odluci da radi jer voli i mora da zaradi novce za zivot.

 

Da se desavaju takve stvari, Daily Mail nam ne bi dao zivjeti od informacija kako su muslimani favoritizovani u odnosu na sve ostale, pogotovo prema domicilnom CoE stanovnistvu. 

 

Meni nije lako ni da povjerujem da je tako u Kanadi kao sto opisujes. 

 

Promenio sam dosta firmi u NL i u većini je bilo muslimana.

Niko od njih nije uzimao slobodne dane za ramazam, uredno su dolazili na posao i radili. Koliko sam shvatio, mora da se posti, ali mora i da se radi.

Jedino su za Bajram donosili torbe pune đakonija i častili sve nas ostale, kažu - takav je red.


U kantini - uvek imaš i nešto sa ribom, kao i jelovnik za vegetarijance. Muslimani su imali izbor 2 od tri (riba i vegetarijansko), što je ipak bolje od vegetarijanaca, koji su imali izbor 1 od 3. Ako je jelo sa mesom skuvano sa govedinom ili ovčetineom, imali su i 3 od 3.

Isto je bilo i na feštama u firmi. Pili su sokove umesto alkohola, a kada firma obezbedi vegetarijanski meze i meze sa ribom, meze sa svinjetinom im ni najmanje  nije nedostajao niti su ostali gladni. Riba i vegetarijanska jela su uvek OK.

 

Nikada nisam čuo da je neko od kolega muslimana tražio bilo kakav poseban tretman ili bilo kakva posebna prava.


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#10684 Denis Jasharevic

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 17:01

Eto ..... To je bila pokazna vezba .... I onda se neko pita zashto to trpite?! Zashto ne reagujete!? Odgovor stigao.

Pa jasno je zashto ljudi trpe i ne reaguju. Zato shto ce navuci teshku bedu sebi na vrat, zato shto ce biti prinudjeni da chuju stotinu patetichnih pricha koje veze sa situacijom u kojoj se pojedinac nashao nemaju. Gomilu PC govana o tome kako cveta 1000 cvetova, kako oni ruchkaju zajedno, ma shta ruchkaju .... hrane jedni druge!!!

Jedino shto necesh chuti je odgovor na tvoje jednostavno pitanje: zashto nismo svi isti? Zashto kada se kaze nema izuzetka - ipak ima! I taj izuzetak nije teshka porodichna situacija, nije bolesna supruga, dete, roditelji, protiv chega bi se samo kreten pobunio .... vec boja koze ili veroispovest izuzetih!

U nekom drushtvu koje nije zatrovano PC izlivom kanalizacije ovo nikada ne bi ni bilo problem. Bez izuzetka bi znachilo samo jedno - bez izuzetka! :) I tada bi naravno bilo potpuno nebitno ko jede ribu, a ko prase, ko pije pivo, a ko sok. Pa ja na to ne obracam nikada paznju, ne brojim nikome kalorije, a ni postotke alkohola u krvi, otkad je to moj jebeni biznis! To je za doktore i policiju.

Znajuci sve to dosta ljudi je razmishljalo i odluchilo da se najlegalnijim mogucim putem, preko svog birachkog prava i svojim glasom suprotstavi ovom teshkom pranju, pc chishcenju i peglanju sive mozdane mase zvane mozak.

Primeceno je da dizajneri brainwashinga ili brainfu*Kinga svejedno, uopshte ne mogu da provale gde su se izjebali!!! I u svojoj bolidnosti nastavljaju da se i porazeni ponashaju kao pobednici. Videcemo dokle ce tako. Shto pre se osveste bice bolje za sve nas.

Edited by Denis Jasharevic, 02 October 2017 - 17:25.

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#10685 angelia

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 17:17

DAES preuzeo odgovornost za napad u LV. Vele da je napadac presao u islam pre nekoliko meseci.

Zvanican odgovor je da nema dokaza za tako nesto. Za sada samo postoji izjava njegovog brata da misli da je samo otkacio.

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#10686 Denis Jasharevic

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 17:22

Ma kakav islam, shanse su u promilima. Nego se kreteni otimaju za svakog svog "kolegu".
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#10687 slavisa063

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 17:45

Nikad nema dokaza, to su sve pojedinacni slucajevi. Niko ga nije cuo da vice allahu akbar.


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#10688 Pristevac

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 17:48

DAES preuzeo odgovornost za napad u LV. Vele da je napadac presao u islam pre nekoliko meseci.

Pa ti i jesi za koridu kad ovako lupetaš.


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#10689 melankolic

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 19:22

Tragičan bilans:

 

 

 

  1. Oct. 1, 2017. Las Vegas

    A gunman opened fire on a crowd of more than 22,000 at a concert in Las Vegas, killing at least 50 people and injuring more than 400, the authorities said, making it one of the deadliest mass shootings ever in the United States. The suspect, Stephen C. Paddock, was believed to have killed himself in his hotel room at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

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    CreditSmiley N. Pool/The Dallas Morning News, via Associated Press
    July 7, 2016. Dallas, Tex.

    Five Dallas police officers were killed after a military veteran ambushed them in a sniper attack during a demonstration against fatal police shootings. Officials said the veteran, Micah Johnson, targeted officers as retribution. He was killed by the police with a robot-delivered explosive device.

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    Ray Rivera, a D.J. at the Pulse nightclub, was consoled outside of the Orlando Police Department after a shooting at the club. CreditJoe Burbank/Orlando Sentinel, via Associated Press
    June 12, 2016. Orlando, Fla.

    At least 50 people were killed and 53 were injured at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Fla., surpassing the 2007 killings at Virginia Tech. The authorities identified the gunman as Omar Mateen, 29, an American citizen living in Port St. Lucie, Fla.

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    First responders treated victims of a shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., on Dec. 2.CreditKTTV TV, via Associated Press
    Dec. 2, 2015. San Bernardino, Calif.

    Police in San Bernardino mounted an intense manhunt for gunmen who fired dozens of shots inside a conference hall where county employees had gathered at a service center for people with disabilities, leaving at least 14 dead and 17 wounded.

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    Police escorted a woman who was rescued from the Planned Parenthood facility in Colorado Springs on Nov. 27. CreditJustin Edmonds/Getty Images
    Nov. 27, 2015. Colorado Springs, Colo.

    Three people were killed — a police officer and two civilians — and nine were wounded when a gunman opened fire with an assault rifle at a Planned Parenthood clinic. Robert L. Dear Jr., 57, surrendered more than five hours after the first shots were fired.

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    Community college students, evacuated Thursday, described how a public speaking class became a scene of carnage and panic. CreditMichael Sullivan/The News-Review, via Associated Press
    Oct. 1, 2015. Roseburg, Ore.

    At least 10 people were shot dead at Umpqua Community College in southern Oregon after gunman Chris Harper Mercer, 26, opened fire. The gunman died in an exchange of fire with police.

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    F.B.I. agents at the scene at the Armed Forces Career Center in Chattanooga, Tenn., in July.CreditKevin Liles for The New York Times
    July 16, 2015. Chattanooga, Tenn.

    Four Marines and a Navy petty officer were killed after a man opened fire at two military locations. The Federal Bureau of Investigation identified the gunman, who also died, as Mohammod Youssuf Abdulazeez, 24.

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    A scene from a vigil at Morris Brown African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, S.C., for the victims. CreditTravis Dove for The New York Times
    June 17, 2015. Charleston, S.C.

    Nine people are shot dead in a historic black church in Charleston, S.C. The victims range in age from 26 to 87 and include the Rev. Clementa C. Pinckney, a prominent state senator. Police arrest Dylann Storm Roof, 21, a white man with a history of anti-black views.

  9. Oct. 24, 2014. Marysville, Wash.

    Four people died after a 15-year-old student opened fire in his high school cafeteria. The student, Jaylen Ray Fryberg, also killed himself.

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    Students and others gathered at a park in Isla Vista, Calif., in May for a candlelight vigil.CreditJae C. Hong/Associated Press
    ​May 23, 2014. Isla Vista, Calif.

    A college student killed six people, three in his apartment and others on the streets of his small town. The gunman, Elliot O. Rodger, 22, committed suicide shortly after the rampage.

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    Sgt. First Class Noe Figueroa was among the many soldiers stranded outside the base after the shooting. CreditJim Young/Reuters
    April 2, 2014. Killeen, Tex.

    A veteran of the Iraq war opened fire at Fort Hood, killing three and wounding 16, before committing suicide. Police identified the shooter as Ivan Lopez.

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    Police officers and emergency personnel responded to the shooting at the Washington Navy Yard.CreditDoug Mills/The New York Times
    Sept. 16, 2013. Washington, D.C.

    Twelve victims and the gunman died at the Washington Navy Yard, leading authorities to lock down the nation’s capital. Police say the shooter was Aaron Alexis, 34, a former Navy reservist who was working for a military subcontractor.

  13. June 7, 2013. Santa Monica, Calif.

    A gunman clad in black roamed Santa Monica, firing at cars, a public bus and buildings and killing five people. The police killed the gunman, John Zawahri, at Santa Monica College Library.

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    People placed flowers at a memorial at Sandy Hook Elementary School.CreditMarcus Yam for The New York Times
    Dec. 14, 2012. Newtown, Conn.

    Sandy Hook Elementary school became the scene of the nation’s second deadliest school shooting when gunman Adam Lanza opened fire, killing 20 elementary students and six school employees. He also killed his mother and himself.

  15. Oct. 21, 2012. Brookfield, Wis.

    Three women died in a day spa after a gunman entered. Police identified the shooter as Radcliffe F. Haughton, 45, who also killed himself. Spa-goers fled, some of whom were bloodied and still wearing bathrobes.

  16. Sept. 27, 2012. Minneapolis, Minn.

    Five victims were killed after a gunman entered his former workplace at a sign company. Police said Andrew Engeldinger, 36, had been fired from the business. The company’s owner, Reuven Rahamim, and a UPS driver, Keith Basinski, were among the victims. The gunman also died.

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    Mourners embrace at the memorial service for the victims of the shooting at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin. CreditNathan Weber for The New York Times
    ​Aug. 5, 2012. Oak Creek, Wis.

    An armed man walked into a Sikh temple and killed six people. Authorities said the gunman was Wade Michael Page, 40, the leader of a white-power band called End Apathy who had ties to white supremacist groups. The police shot and killed him.

  18. July 20, 2012. Aurora, Colo.

    A screening of the Batman film “The Dark Knight Rises” turned to chaos when a gunman clad in body armor entered the theater. Twelve people died, including a six-year-old named Veronica Moser-Sullivan, and 70 were wounded. The gunman, James Holmes, survived and was later sentenced to life in prison.

  19. April 2, 2012. Oakland, Calif.

    Seven people die at a religious college after a former student opens fire. Police take custody of One L. Goh, 43, the suspected shooter, who turned himself in.

  20. Oct. 12, 2011. Seal Beach, Calif.

    quiet seaside city by a shooting at a salon that left eight people dead. Police said the killer is Scott E. DeKraai, 42, who later pleaded guilty and could face the death penalty. The police said the dead included Mr. DeKraai’s ex-wife, Michelle Fournier.

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    Six balloons represented the six people killed in the attack at a prayer service in Tucson.CreditJohn Moore/Getty Images
    ​Jan. 8, 2011. Tucson, Ariz.

    Six people died and at least 14 were injured when Jared Loughner opened fire outside a supermarket while United States Representative Gabrielle Giffords was meeting with constituents. Ms. Giffords survived a point-blank gunshot to the head. Those who died included a 9-year-old named Christina Green, who had been born on the day of the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001; John M. Roll, the chief federal judge in Arizona; and Phyllis Schneck, 79, a great-grandmother who liked to sew aprons for church fundraisers.

  22. Aug. 3, 2010. Manchester, Conn.

    An angry employee drew a handgun at Hartford Distributors, moving through the warehouse and killing colleagues, a company executive and a union president, before killing himself. Eight people were killed by the gunman, identified as Omar S. Thornton, 34.

  23. Feb. 12, 2010. Huntsville, Ala.

    Three biology professors at the University of Alabama in Huntsville die and three others were seriously wounded. The shooter was Amy Bishop, a neurobiologist who was sentenced to life in prison. Ms. Bishop had just learned that she would not receive tenure at the university. The dead are G. K. Podila, the department’s chairman; Maria Ragland Davis; and Adriel D. Johnson Sr.

  24. Nov. 5, 2009. Killeen, Tex.

    Thirteen people were killed at Fort Hood when a military psychiatristopened fire inside a processing center crowded with soldiers either returning from or about to be sent abroad. The gunman, Nidal Malik Hasan, was eventually sentenced to death. More than 30 people were injured.

  25. April 3, 2009. Binghamton, N.Y.

    An immigration center became a scene of violence when a gunman entered during citizenship classes, killing 13 victims and himself. Police found 37 survivors hiding in closets and a boiler room and identified the gunman as Jiverly Wong, 42, who lived in nearby Johnson City.

  26. Feb. 14, 2008. DeKalb, Ill.

    Steve Kazmierczak walked quietly into a large classroom at Northern Illinois University, opened fire, and killed five students and wounded 16 before shooting himself.

  27. Dec. 5, 2007. Omaha, Neb.

    Eight people died at the Westroads Mall when Robert A. Hawkins, 19, entered with a rifle, took the elevator to the third floor, and opened fire inside a Von Maur department store. He eventually killed himself. Six victims were store employees and two were customers.

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    Students at a candlelight vigil at Virginia Tech in April 2012 on the fifth anniversary of the killing of 32 students and faculty member. CreditJared Soares/Getty Images
    ​April 16, 2007. Blacksburg, Va.

    Until the attack in Orlando, the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. historyunfolded on the campus of Virginia Tech. Thirty-two victims died and many others were wounded by the gunman, Seung-Hui Cho, 23, a senior. The gunman killed himself.

 

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#10690 fulleren

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 19:34

Zvanican odgovor je da nema dokaza za tako nesto. Za sada samo postoji izjava njegovog brata da misli da je samo otkacio.

 

Samo otkacio? Pa da, bas neki otkaceni profesionalni ludak. Pazi podatak > investigators found "in excess of 10 rifles" in the hotel room.

 

Kojim trikom neko uspije da unese ni manje ni vise nego 10 rifles u hotelsku sobu na 32 spratu? Niko da ne primjeti bas nista... neobicno? Mislim, sve bi bilo manje cudno da nije u pitanju luxury resort onog tipa, gdje se valjda ocekuje neki veci nivo obezbjedjenja. 


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#10691 slavisa063

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 19:42

Samo otkacio? Pa da, bas neki otkaceni profesionalni ludak. Pazi podatak > investigators found "in excess of 10 rifles" in the hotel room.

 

Kojim trikom neko uspije da unese ni manje ni vise nego 10 rifles u hotelsku sobu na 32 spratu? Niko da ne primjeti bas nista... neobicno? Mislim, sve bi bilo manje cudno da nije u pitanju luxury resort onog tipa, gdje se valjda ocekuje neki veci nivo obezbjedjenja. 

 

Pa to sve stane u dzepove od vindijakne :)

Odavno po hotelima vec nema nekog znacajnog obezbedjenja, sve to vaca krivine. Jos pogotovo po takvim mestima kao LV gde je sve podredjeno zabavi.


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#10692 Mujo Mujic

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 19:48

Da, ovakvi zlocinacki dogadjaji su postali toliko redovni, da se i dalje moze nastaviti ocekivati slicno u buducnosti. Nazalost, mislim da je pitanje kako ovo sprijeciti ili izlijeciti vjerovatno najteze pitanje buduce civilizacije. Npr.

 

1817. godine, nenormalna osoba ce moci izaci na ulicu sa sabljom, i naciniti zlodjelo manjih razmjera

1917. godine, nenormalna osoba ce moci izaci na ulicu sa tandzarom, i naciniti zlodjelo vecih razmjera

2017. godine, nenormalna osoba ce moci izaci na ulicu sa automatom, i naciniti zlodjelo jos vecih razmjera

2117. godine, nenormalna osoba ce moci izaci na ulicu sa xyz, i naciniti zlodjelo najvecih razmjera

 

Sa druge strane, d government je na raspolaganju imao:

 

1817. godine, takodje samo silu - sablju

1917. godine, sada vec dirproporcionalno vecu silu - mitraljez

2017. godine, ogromna disproporcija u monopolu sile - avion, citav spektar raznih vrsta oruzja, WMD (oruzje masovnod unistenja)

2117. godine, disproporcija sile govermenta u odnosu na populus ce vjerovatno biti nepojmljiva

 

Drugim rijecima, kao osvrt na nekoliko prethodnih postova, bilo kakav novi drustveni-zakonski normativ tesko ce moci zaustaviti dostupnost

tehnoloski novih i razornijih oruzja, a i ikakav takav normativ bi bio samo onaj koji bi pomjerao demokratsko drustvo ka autokratskom drustvu.

 

Kako regulisati ovo gore pitanje/dilemu, ili se ona ni ne moze regulisti, vec ide ruku pod ruku sa samim (tehnoloskim) razvojem civilizacije?


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#10693 slavisa063

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 19:51

Piso sam to vec ranije, da se zabrani posedovanje bilo kakve vrsta oruzja, ma bilo to i viljuska i noz za jelo. Kako civilima tako i u vojne svrhe.


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#10694 Mujo Mujic

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 20:04

Piso sam to vec ranije, da se zabrani posedovanje bilo kakve vrsta oruzja, ma bilo to i viljuska i noz za jelo. Kako civilima tako i u vojne svrhe.

 

A ko bi sproveo tu zabranu?

 

I dodatno, kako zabraniti tehnologiju (ili daljnji razvoj tehnologije)?


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#10695 slavisa063

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 20:08

Pa valjda neki zakon.I vojsku bi ukinuo. Ko kaze da treba zabraniti tehnologiju? 


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