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[natasha]

http://psychcentral.com/psypsych/Eris

Ok, pobedio si za Eris. Ali ne i za Hot Dog.

[Artur Dent]

http://psychcentral.com/psypsych/Eris

Ok, pobedio si za Eris. Ali ne i za Hot Dog.

Cekaj, identican tekst je argument ako je na Psych Central, a nije ako je na Wikipediji?

Nije ono bilo takmicenje pa da ja pobedjujem, ono je bila razmena misljenja.

A o Hot Dogu necemo. Nije petak. Ni Petak. B)

[natasha]

Pa otisla je u Hungry Jack's na dupli hamburger, large fries and large coke.

Edited by natasha, 17 August 2005 - 17:31.

[Artur Dent]

Pa otisla je u Hungry Jack's na dupli hamburger, large fries and large coke.  

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Now you're talking.

[natasha]

Reci zar nije Hungry Jack bolji od Hot Doga.

Edited by natasha, 17 August 2005 - 17:31.

[natasha]

Bez sale, da ne ispadne neko preneseno znacenje a la Babo*****
Mc Donalds je malo dete za Hungry Jacka. Znam vrlo dobro, posto su preko puta zgrade gde zivim. Hungry Jack je vise Leskovac fazon, ali je super. Dok sam bila u Pesti poslovno ubijali smo se od Hungry Jacka i naravno Virag je zakon za kolace i kupove.

istrolovah topik

[T. U. Weenie]

istrolovah topik

Infidelu. Blasfimeru. Žderonjo.



Link: Devia Discordia, a book of many collected ramblings about Life and many other Interesting Things.



(BTW, Dente, ne znam gde si iskopao to da je Eris u stvari jedna od Erinija/Furija, ali 100% je pogrešno. Well done. Onward u dezinformacije, camarads!)

[Artur Dent]

Reci zar nije Hungry Jack bolji od Hot Doga.

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Blasphemy. Mozda gastronomski, ali na duhovnom nivou...

edit: @ Weenie
Pa zar nije dobra fora, uneti malo dualizma u Svetli Gospin Lik, zbuniti nevernike, prosiriti haos. Posle mozes i istinu da im kazes, samo ce nastati jos veci haos.

Edited by Artur Dent, 18 August 2005 - 09:18.

[natasha]

Arture, idemo dalje- znanje, rad, red i disciplina.

Tema: Uspon i pad Rimskog carstva.


The Founding of Rome is very much embroiled in myth.

Traces found by archaeologists of early settlements of the Palatine Hill date back to ca 750 BC.
This ties in very closely to the established legend that Rome was founded on 21 April 753 BC. Which was traditionally celebrated in Rome with the festival of Parilia.
The founding legends exist - Romulus and Remus and Aeneas.
Rather than contradict each other, the tale of Aeneas adds to that of Romulus and Remus.

Romulus and Remus

King Numitor of Alba Longa was ejected by his younger brother Amulius. To do away with any further possible pretenders to his usurped throne, Amulius murdered Numitor's sons and forced Numitor's daughter, Rhea Silvia, to become a vestal virgin. (Vestal virgins were priestesses to the goddess Vesta and were expected to guard their virginity in the goddess' honour on pain of death.)
However Mars, the god of war became enchanted by her beauty and has his way with her while she slept. As a result of this Rhea Silvia bore twins, Romulus and Remus.
An enraged Amulius had Rhea Silvia thrown into the river Tiber where she was caught beneath the waves by the river god who married her.
The twins were set adrift on the river in a reed basket. They floated downstream until the basket was caught in the branches of a fig tree.
This was where they were found by a she-wolf who suckled them (wolves are sacred to Mars) until a shepherd found them.
Another version of the same story tells of the shepherd finding them and taking them to his wife, who had just lost a stillborn child and who breast fed them. The tale says the shepherd's wife was a former prostitute.
Which one of the two versions is the original is hard to tell. In Latin lupa means both 'she-wolf' and 'prostitute'.
As the two boys had grown to men in the care of the couple, they were told of their true origins. Amulius was subsequently slain in battle and Numitor was restored to his throne.
The twins decided to found a new city close to where they had been washed ashore, caught by the fig tree.
Reading omens of the flight of birds they decided to build their city on Palatine Hill and that Romulus should be King.
Romulus took to marking the city's boundaries with a plough drawn by a white bull and a white cow.
Remus however leapt over the furrow, either in jest or derision. Romulus lost his temper and killed his brother.
The new city, little more than a small settlement, had almost no women. So, determined to solve this problem, Romulus invited the neighbouring tribe of the Sabines to a harvest festival. Once their guests had arrived the Romans though chose not to entertain them but far more to abduct at swordpoint 600 Sabine daughters.


Aeneas
If the tale of Romulus and Remus appears the more popular Roman founding tale today, then the tale of Aeneas, harking back to yet earlier times, was perhaps the more popular in the days of the Roman Empire. In fact through Virgil the Aeneid became the national epic of the Roman empire and the most famous poem of the Roman era.
Aeneas was to have been a hero fighting the Greeks in the Trojan wars. The son of Venus and a mortal father he escaped as the great city of Troy was sacked and after quite an odyssey he landed in Latium through which the river Tiber flows. Aeneas married the daughter of King Latinus, only to aggrieve King Turnus of Rutuli who himself had his eye on her. As usual in ancient tales, there ensued a war for the princess between Turnus and Aeneas, who was by then supported by King Tarchon of the Etruscans. Naturally Aeneas, son of Venus, was triumphant.
The sack of Troy is dated to around 1220 BC. To fill the years from Aeneas to Romulus the Romans therefore were required to produce a string of fictional Kings to make the tale work. This was done across all the generations with some ease from Ascanius, son of Aeneas to Numitor the


Historical Background
As such the Latins settled in the wider area of Rome around 1000 BC. Though those early settlements were not to be mistaken for anything like a city. They kept pigs, herded sheep, goats, cattle and lived in primitive huts.
So how could such archaic beginnings ever lead to a city of power which would rule the world ? The rise of Rome was certainly not inevitable, but it had many advantages right from the start. Rome lies only a few miles from the sea with all its possibilities of trade. It lies central to the Italian peninsula, which in turn lies central to the entire Mediterranean Sea. Italy is guarded by the Alps to the North and by the sea all around. Add to this the influence of the Greeks which were settling Italy, founding cities like Cumea, and hence bringing advanced civilization to the country and you have a place with lots of potential. From the Greeks the Romans learnt fundamental skills such as reading and writing, even their religion is almost entirely derived from Greek mythology. i.e. for Jupiter write Zeus, Mars is Ares, Venus is Aphrodite, etc... If the Greeks settled to the south of them, then the Roman had the Etruscans to the north. Etruria was predominantly an urban society, drawing its considerable wealth from seaborne trade. Were the Etruscans rather extravagant people, they were generally seen by the more hardy Romans to be decadent and weak. While being distinctly unique in their right the Etruscans too had very much developed from the more advanced and civilized cultures of the east, owing much of their culture to the Greeks. At around 650 to 600 BC the Etruscans crossed the Tiber and occupied Latium. It is through this, so one believes, that the settlement on the Palatine Hill was brought together with the settlements on surrounding hills, either in an attempt to fend off the invaders, or, once conquered, by the Etruscan master who sought to rule their kingdom via a structure of city states. It is at this point that the first known Kings appear. Always assuming that the likes of Romulus were to be seen as myth.

[Artur Dent]

Kad smo na toj teritoriji, meni je na pameti samo ovo:

Carmen 107

Si quicquam cupido optantique optigit umquam
insperanti, hoc est gratum animo proprie.
Quare hoc est gratum nobis quoque carius auro
quod te restituis, Lesbia, mi cupido.
Restituis cupido atque insperanti, ipsa refers te
nobis. O lucem candidiore nota!
Quis me uno vivit felicior aut magis hac est
optandus vita dicere quis poterit?

[juliana]

kad vetj falsifikujete mitove - koji chuveni humanista sa severa je falsifikovao deo mita o pandori zamenivshi njenu veliku posudu, vazu - pitos malom metalnom kutijom /pyx/ pa se to 'primilo' i ostalo i kao metafora u svakodnevnom govoru pandorina kutija /jedino u italiji se sachuvao izvorni izraz vaso di pandora /

[T. U. Weenie]

kad vetj falsifikujete mitove - koji chuveni humanista sa severa je falsifikovao deo mita o pandori 

Um ... Rasel?

Ne, ne, čekaj ... From!?

Ne, znam, Palahniuk?

Dobro, predajem se!

[T. U. Weenie]

Nego, kad će hinduistički mit da dođe na red za kreativnu dekonstrukciju?

Recimo, sad.

Ima još jedna boginja osim Eris (Hail Discordia!) za koju mislim da je vredna poštovanja. U pitanju je indijska boginja od mnogo imena, u stvari inkarnacija svih ženskih božanskih bića, antropomorfna personifikacija ženskog kreativnog principa, tzv. Šakti. Zove se Majka Parvati, Ratnica Durga, Deva Uma, Kurva Jelama, i još svakako. Danas, u doba gvožđa i krvi, njen krvoločni, proždrljivi aspekt po imenu Kali je dominantan i najpoznatiji. Prikazuju je uglavnom isplaženog jezika, mršavu, sa ogrlicom od lobanja, sa 6 do 8 ruku koje drže omču, mač, odsečenu glavu, i još ponešto. Ona nas pročišćava od straha, besa, i ljubomore.

Kad su Trimurti (Brama, Višnu, i Šiva, tri vrhovna bića) bili suočeni sa pobunom asura, njihovih božansko-demonskih sluga, ujedinili su se i stvorili Boginju da ih spase. Kali, ubilački princip, se rodila iz čela Durge, ratničkog principa, i uništila rebel scum jeretike. Napravila je ogrlicu od njihovih lobanja, i zaigrala u čast svoje pobede...



... e sad, pobednički ples Boginje je bio klanica do tada neviđenih razmera, i svet je bio na ivici preranog uništenja. Od te sudbine spasao ga je upravo Šiva Uništitelj, i to tako što je legao ispred Kali dok je plesala, tako je nateravši da se zaustavi baš pre nego što ga je zgazila, i pokaje se na licu mesta.

Kali Ubica i Šiva Uništitelj su se kasnije venčali i dobili sina, malog debelog Ganeša. Šiva je bio ljubomoran zato što je Boginja Majka toliko pažnje posvećivala sinu, a njemu nije davala, pa je u besu odrubio glavu malom. Kali je naravno popizdela, i zaklela se da će se osvetiti i Šivi, i Brami, i Višnuu, i to tako što će zbaciti Točak Vremena sa osovine, i prekinuti večni ciklus postojanja.

Na svu sreću, Šiva je već gledao Kill Bill-a, oba dela, te je brže-bolje oživeo dete krišom (nakačivši mu slonovsku glavu umesto odrubljene; nije mogao ništa bolje da nađe) i sad samo čeka da ga Kali Bride pronađe, pa da porazgovaraju o supermenu i ostalim stripovima ...

"Does She know Her son is still alive?"

Edited by The Ugliest Weenie, 21 August 2005 - 00:52.

[Aleksa]

vrletan i pust kraj pored morske obale:

s desne strane dolazi hefest s kovackim alatom i okovima, vlast i sila vode vezana prometeja (titan, sin japetov)..

vlast (sluga diva):

daleko na kraj sveta, evo, stigosmo,
u pusti skitski kraj, gde covek ne gazi.
ti, hefeste (sin divov), na posao; izvrsi tu
sto otac naredi ti: toga zlikovca
da prikujes na ovu strmen visoku
u tvrdim okovima jakim klincima!
jer ponos tvoj, svestvaralackog ognja sjaj,
on ukrade i smrtnom stvoru darova;
taj greh on mora otkajati bozima,
vlast divovu da postovati nauci,
a s ljudima da svoje veze prekine.

mit o prometeju nosi u sebi jedan paradoks – ako su bogovi svemocni i kada vec imaju sve atribute dobra i morala, zasto su prikovali prometeja za kavkaz i poslali mu jos orla mucitelja?
ako je bog svemocan veciti i besmrtni gospodar sveta, zasto strepi pred snagom smrtnika i kaznjava prometeja?

titan je dao ljudima sve darove neba i zemlje: svest (saznanje), nadu. i ne samo to, on je u svojoj velikoj ljubavi dao ljudima i vatru i zelezo, dva u isto vreme suprotna principa – stvaranje i unistavanje, jer se oboje nalazi u prirodi tih elemenata. mozda je zevs mudruji i oprezniji uvideo kakve posledice moze da ima po coveka takav titanov poklon. ali je zevsa i ovog puta nadmudrio lukavi titan, on je dao ljudima pre vatre i gvozdja – svest. u tome je sustina mita i velicina prometeja. ta svest ne samo da je uzdigla coveka iz inferiornosti nego ga je i opasno priblizila bogu. prometej je na taj nacin jos i tvorac, on je usavrsio coveka jer mu je ulio svest o dostojanstvu i pojam slobode. (da se rodi subjektivna licnost covek se mora osloboditi vodilacke ruke bogova m.dj.) a to je uradio prometej.

mit o prometeju (jedan od mojih najdrazih mitova, prvi put prikazan izmedju 468. i 458. b.c) je u stvari mit o budjenju ljudske svesti, aktuelna i ziva legenda koja je pretrpevsi bezbroj modifikacija pratila kroz vekove razvoj te ljudske svesti, budjenje licnosti.
postoje vise heterogenih ali slicnih mitova o bogu vatrodavcu kod raznih naroda koji ukazuju na sveopste budjenje ljudske svesti i na univerzalnost prometejske pobune, prometej je usadio u coveka opasnu klicu saznanja, svest o postojanju ali i saznanje o prolaznosti i granicama saznanja – i tada se rodila patnja. covek je bio podriven, miniran. rodio se metafizicki bunt. bunim se ergo sum.

[juliana]

Um ... Rasel?

Ne, ne, čekaj ... From!?

Ne, znam, Palahniuk?

Dobro, predajem se!

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al mislila sam na kvatroichinkvechento studia humana i onda prvi na um pada erazmo roterdamski, on je

nije chudo shto je bash mit o prometeju jedan od najomiljenijih u tom periodu, minuciozno kompatibilan sa humanistickom idejom coveka, onako kako ga vidi platonizovano hriscanstvo