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Skuderija Toro Roso u novu sezonu ulazi s novim proizvođačem pogonskih jedinica (Honda) i novim logom tima

 

 

Predstavljanje bolida naziva STR13 će biti 26.2. ujutro tik pre početka prvog dana testiranja

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While the exclusive provision of Honda power gives Toro Rosso - generally thought of as Red Bull's junior outfit - the opportunity to become masters of their own destiny, Honda know their reputation can ill-afford to suffer further ignominy after the unparalleled misery of their partnership with McLaren

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"I know that the STR engineers are very excited by the Honda and what its architecture allows them to do," tweeted Sky F1 analyst Mark Hughes. "One of them described it as a 'higher tec' engine than the Renault."

 

The 2018 Toro Rosso-Honda will be presented to the media on February 26 just ahead of the start of winter testing in Barcelona.

 

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Toro Roso sampion vec ove godine?

Edited by 4_Webber, 20 February 2018 - 00:37.

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...ili sledeće garant

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Procurela slika novog STR13!

 

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Edited by Rad-oh-yeah?, 26 February 2018 - 17:08.

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TR je prvi tim koji je implementirao donje zakrilce na oreolu

 

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Toro Rosso giving Honda 'freedom'
Toro Rosso
01 Mar 2018


Freedom to improve. That’s the foundation on which Toro Rosso have built their partnership with Honda, according to the Italian team’s technical director James Key.

Honda’s three years as power unit provider to McLaren will largely be defined by an overall lack of performance and a poor reliability record, a combination that ultimately led to the partnership being terminated last season.

While acknowledging he doesn’t know the intricacies of how Honda worked with the British team, Key says for their part Toro Rosso have attempted to make as few demands as possible as they establish their relationship with the Japanese manufacturer.

“I really don’t know how the relationship with McLaren worked and we haven’t even discussed it to be honest with you,” Key said. “It’s not part of what we’re doing, we’re looking forwards and looking at our own work.

“Certainly our approach is to try and give Honda all the freedom they need to make improvements on their side. In the very short time we had to collaborate on the 2018 engine there has been a few little compromise areas which we’ve tried to deal with, but fundamentally we just wanted to give them all of the support and freedom they needed to go and get on with the job really.

“I get the feeling that they appreciated that because there were several things they wanted to try and we supported them in that and didn’t push them to do anything particularly difficult for the chassis.

“For next year it’s a tighter collaboration because we’re obviously starting from scratch. So with the ’19 engine and the chassis installation and all the combined systems, we’re able to discuss that very freely now and we certainly said to Honda: ‘Just let us know what you want to do and we’ll do the trade-offs and work out what the best package is’.

“Because in the end we’re trying to combine for the best package, not just the best power unit or just the best chassis. It’s got to be a combination.”

Toro Rosso completed solid mileage during the opening two days of pre-season testing before snow and rain effectively wiped out running on Wednesday, and after another good run on Thursday Key is left encouraged by the progress from Honda compared to 12 months ago.

“I think if we looked at the situation last year it’s a bit of a surprise, but having worked with them for a while now it’s less of a surprise," he said. "I think looking at the facilities that they’ve got and the desperate will that they’ve got to make it work, it’s less of a surprise to me now. But obviously you never know until you hit the track and I have to say - touchwood - there hasn’t been any major issues at all. Any minor stoppages we’ve had have been on our side.

“They’ve just been super smooth to work with, we’re very inclusive so they attend all our meetings and all that sort of thing so we all know what’s going on, and we’re working together with them on optimising everything. So it’s been very, very smooth so far and I’m sure that will continue.”

 

Dakle, titula 100%.

 

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Baš sam napaljen, evo živo me interesuje kako će proraditi RA618H koja bi "kao" trebala rešiti "dečje bolesti" "stare/nove" "PJ".

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Pa proradice konacno i taj motor, ne treba imati sumnje u tu, samo je pitanje kada.

 

Ja sam lane rekao da se Japanci ponasaju kao da se ne takmice u F1 i da im je rezultat nebitan, da su oni zacrtali da do kraja sezone naprave motor odredjenih performansi i da ih nije briga nizasta drugo, bodove, kazne, nista. I tako i bi, na kraju sezone u Abudabiju oni su izasli sa motorom kakav je Meklaren ocekivao da se pojavi u Barseloni na predsezonskim testovoma, jos uvek u zaostatku za ostalima ali barem bez raspadanja posle dva kruga. Sada startuju sa te tacke, sto je u svakom slucaju bolja polazna pozicija nego prosle sezone, pa ce i rezultati samim tim biti bolji, ali treba videti kako ce uspeti da izguraju kilometrazu - 3 motora po sezoni je jako velik izazov i bice tesko svima ne samo Hondi da to ispostuju. Hoce li zato voziti detjunovano pa opet biti najsporiji ili ce ga otsrafiti pa menjati motore nakon svake trke i startovati sa zacelja - videcemo.

 

U svakom slucaju, prema dosad vidjenom, ja od njih ocekujem da naprave zaista konkurentan motor taman na vreme za poslednju trku pod ovim pravilima, pre uvodjenja nove specifikacije za 2021.

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Nisam nešto upratio, jel RA618H zapravo RA617H v4.0? Iluminat Formule 1

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Da, to bi trebalo da bude to, mada su iz Honde rekli da za ove testove idu sa modifikovanom specifikacijom iz Abudabija prosle godine - dakle, jos uvek nismo videli taj 4.0

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MEDLAND: Tempering the Honda hype
Friday, 02 March 2018
Chris Medland / Images by Hone/LAT




Trying to decipher what is happening in pre-season testing is a dangerous game at the best of times, let alone at the end of one of the coldest sessions F1 has ever experienced while preparing for the year ahead in Barcelona.

The pre-season test at Jerez back in January 2014 – when the new V6 power units were being given their first run in one of four scheduled tests – was also freezing, but that was mainly due to the lack of sunlight early in the morning. But the track's location on the southern edge of Spain – closer to Morocco than Madrid – ensured that by the time running had begun, the temperatures had start to climb relatively quickly.

Back then, there was also testing in Bahrain to follow, and three tests in total.

This week though, a large chunk of the first four days in Barcelona were written off due to the unseasonably cold conditions.

But there was still a feel-good story that cut through icy weather by the end of the fourth day of running: the encouraging start of the Toro Rosso Honda partnership.

This time last year, Honda was in crisis. Introducing a new power unit concept was never going to be an easy task, but the lack of reliability, drivability and outright performance combined to trigger the beginning of the end of its time with McLaren. In the first test it only managed to complete 207 laps, but it was the variety of problems and numerous power unit changes that were most damaging.

There was only one team with fewer laps to its credit over the first four days of 2017 testing, and that was Toro Rosso. The Renault power unit in the back of the STR12 proved troublesome as the team made the switch from a year-old Ferrari engine the year before.

McLaren and Honda was a partnership that so many were keen to see work, and it seemed to be only a matter of time before it would come good. But after the disastrous start to last season the relationship was irreparable, and the eventual split was best for both sides.

Despite the much-needed fresh start, the ingredients were all in place for another difficult beginning when Toro Rosso and Honda joined forces. After the struggles of the previous three seasons, Honda partnering with a smaller team could not be interpreted as a quick fix. Even after a successful fire-up and filming day, nobody was predicting the new partnership would sit top of the mileage charts at the end of the opening week. Not even the team itself.



"If we looked at the situation last year it's a bit of a surprise, but having worked with [Honda] for a while now, it's less of a surprise," Toro Rosso technical director James Key said of the smooth opening week. "Looking at the facilities that they've got and the desperate will that they've got to make it work, it's less of a surprise to me now.

"But obviously you never know until you hit the track, and I have to say – touch wood - there haven't been any major issues at all. Any minor stoppages we've had have been on our side.

"They've just been super-smooth to work with. We're very inclusive, so they attend all our meetings and all that sort of thing, so we all know what's going on, and we're working together with them on optimizing everything. So it's been very, very smooth so far, and I'm sure that will continue."

But Key's quotes don't tell the full story. By the end of the first morning in Barcelona, both Toro Rosso and Honda employees were buoyant. In fairness, their demeanor was more the product of relief than excitement, but that highlights the depth of trepidation with which it went into this past week.

And it is exactly that reaction that should be used to keep expectations in check. There were so many unknowns before the season started, and so many areas to improve upon, but the answers will not have been found over the past four days.

Firstly, there has been little in the way of performance shown so far. The weather conditions limited the possibility of more significant running and ensured the track time teams did get was of only limited relevance, as the tires were so difficult to operate at such low temperatures.

Key himself admits the power unit has not been overly stressed during the opening week, and highlights some fundamental areas that remain untested at this stage.

"I think things like cooling systems, because we're all running blanked off at the moment, so we don't know how effective they really are," he says. "Warmer conditions with the higher pace that you get as well, you get a better indication. But that's the same for everyone."



Pierre Gasly was the lucky driver behind the wheel when the conditions were at their best on Thursday, completing 147 laps. The Frenchman says Honda has "hopefully" answered its critics with its encouraging start, but he also warns there is much to do in order to be competitive come Melbourne.

"I think we have shown that the engine is fine," Gasly said. "Toro Rosso is working really hard with Honda in terms of communication to have the best package possible. We have a common target. We are working as a team all together, not as two different teams. I think it's something really positive.

"There are still a few things we need to improve, I guess like every team. But so far, it's been great working with them. They are pushing really hard. That is always nice."

It shouldn't be overlooked that Toro Rosso needs to do significant mileage because it is the only Honda-powered car running. Much as McLaren found in the past, any gremlins can completely halt a program during testing as there is no other car gathering data. Honda's 324 laps were impressive in the context of its recent history, but Renault still has 742 laps worth of data from its power units to work with off the back of this week, despite occasional trouble for both Red Bull and McLaren.

Once again, history should also be taken into account. The most troublesome years for McLaren-Honda were 2015 and 2017, but on both occasions the team was dealing with a new power unit concept. This year, as in 2016, the Honda concept is a continuation of last year's design, and therefore a much better starting point.

For comparison, McLaren averaged just shy of 89 laps per day two years ago, but still only finished a distant sixth in the constructors' championship. Improved reliability doesn't necessarily translate into a significant step in performance. This is still an evolution of a power unit that could only take a former championship-winning team to ninth in the standings last year. That's not a deficit that can be erased overnight.

Next week will be a much more telling test, with warmer temperatures increasing the demands on the cooling systems as well as aiding tire performance and allowing teams to push their cars harder. This week has simply been an encouraging platform from which to build on, and that's all Toro Rosso and Honda could ask for.

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TR s najagresivnijim T krilom u gridu