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#1036 Galeb

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Posted 10 May 2017 - 14:13

Zanimljiv stav profesora bogoslovije:

http://www.blic.rs/v...-srbiji/1p3xpgp

Nadam se da će ovo zapušiti usta raznim šarlatanima i kvazinaučnicima.

Edited by Galeb, 10 May 2017 - 14:17.

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#1037 Schrodinger

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Posted 12 May 2017 - 00:05

Zanimljiv stav profesora bogoslovije:

http://www.blic.rs/v...-srbiji/1p3xpgp

Nadam se da će ovo zapušiti usta raznim šarlatanima i kvazinaučnicima.

Naprotiv, pismo pokazuje naivno shvatanje epitemologije i metodologije, mada mu ne sporim dobru nameru. Ali je proizvod podjednako glupav kao i originalna peticija, jer su ovi podjednako nekompetentni da darvinizam brane, kao sto su kreacionisti nekompetentni da ga napadaju. Tu su se loncici totalno pobrkali, kao i u citavom drustvu, naravno...


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#1038 Kinik

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Posted 12 May 2017 - 00:22

...

 

Kako ono bese: 'Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes'

 

Braneci 'evoluciju', lukave popine u principu brane pravo da sami odlucuju o svojoj 'hristovoj nauci' i da im se niko ne mesa.

To je ono 'da se vlasi ne dosete'.

 

 

>> ... S druge strane, oni smatraju da biblijska naracija o stvaranju, kao i mnogo šta drugo, može i treba da se izučava, u osnovnim i srednjim školama, u okvirima nastave iz veronauke, književnosti, umetnosti, filosofije i sl, kao i u okvirima odgovarajućih visokoškolskih programa, kao važna i preko potrebna lepeza saznanja o hrišćanskom shvatanju Boga, sveta i čoveka, a uz to i sistem vrednosti koji igra važnu ulogu u obrazovanju i vaspitanju dece.
 
Konstatujući da hrišćanska vera u Trojičnog Boga, koji je slobodni tvorac sveta i života, uopšte nije (nužno) u sukobu sa teorijom evolucije, oni podsećaju da "baš kao što hrišćansko tumačenje Svetog Pisma na polju biologije ne može ponuditi valjanu naučnu alternativu, ni biologija (fizika, ili antropologija) ne može ponuditi valjanu religijsku alternativu hrišćanskom učenju o Bogu, čoveku i svetu".
 
Svaki sličan pokušaj principijelno odbacujemo, navodi se u saopštenju gde se izražava načelno uverenje u vrednost očuvanja autonomije naučnih disciplina, kao i uverenje da nastavni program iz veronauke, biologije, fizike (i drugih prirodnih nauka) nije u međusobnom konfliktu i da ga zato ne treba veštački i po svaki cenu izazivati. ... <<
 
Lazovcine i budalasi!
 
Odakle tupchama ideja da je njihovo 'ucenje - naucna disciplina?'
Po cemu?
 
Ono, prikupis za nesto para 'svetu tajnu', popa istrtlja (kazu uvek zure), mane 'puf-puf pederusom koja izgore', nadises se miomirisa, sidje na tebe nesto 'sa nebesa', kako ono bese - da, hebena, tzv. 'blagodat' i pod uticajem si nauke?!
:twak:
Nema nikakve razlike izmedju crkvenih i kreacionistickih budalasa!
 
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Edited by Kinik, 12 May 2017 - 00:24.

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#1039 angelia

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Posted 12 May 2017 - 01:59

Cist podmetanje, da bi se religiji dao status nauke i skolskog predmeta. Religiji nije mesto u skoli, kome se uzucava hriscanstvo ode u crkvu pa izucava.


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#1040 mudrac na klonji

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Posted 12 May 2017 - 10:17

Sve je izvuceno iz konteksta.
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#1041 blond

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Posted 04 June 2017 - 17:30

Ali Rizvi:

 

“My wife has a good take on this. She sees the hijab in the same way she sees the Confederate flag. You’re free to wear it, just as you’re free to wave the Confederate flag, but be aware of what it stands for historically.


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#1042 Mama_mia

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 12:58

The hijabi ballerina

Egyptian Engy El Shazly always loved ballet. But she didn't let her traditional Islamic headscarf (hijab) get in the way of her becoming a professional ballerina.

Engy El Shazly started learning ballet at 27 while wearing her Islamic headscarf.
 
 
 
...nisam imala nameru da komentarisem labudovo jezero sa hidzabom, vec extremno brzo priucenu balerinu koja je sa 27 godina TEK pocela da uci balet, naucila na nekom ubrzanom kursu (kao da se balet moze nauciti, posebno ne za 3 godine, posebno ne u tako starom dobu za balet) i sada je balerina koja prizeljkuje nastup u Parizu, pariskoj Operi naravno....

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#1043 AgroUrban

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Posted 24 June 2017 - 11:03

Na YT nema ni jedan snimak gde ona zapravo igra, sve nesto po ulici 2-3 pozicije. Dok nauci ista, stici ce je godine za penziju. :lol+:  Samo je napravila super reklamu sebi. 


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#1044 Mama_mia

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 14:55

 Samo je napravila super reklamu sebi. 

 

promocija hijaba kao civilizajciske zaostavstine na polju kulture i klasicnog baleta,  rekla bih :D


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#1045 Denis Jasharevic

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 19:15

promocija hijaba kao civilizajciske zaostavstine na polju kulture i klasicnog baleta, rekla bih :D


Ma kakav ballet, hocu da vidim shipku, hidzab na shipci.
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#1046 bohumilo

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Posted 29 June 2017 - 21:19

Zanimljiv stav profesora bogoslovije:

http://www.blic.rs/v...-srbiji/1p3xpgp

Nadam se da će ovo zapušiti usta raznim šarlatanima i kvazinaučnicima.




Pristojan tekst i vrlo osvezavajuci iskorak u pozitivnom smeru koji ja samo mogu da pozdravim i podrzim. Religija (pre svega judeo-hriscanska) je bila i moze biti vazan saveznik u odbrani individualnih prava i sloboda pred naletima etatizma i totalitarizma, ali jedino pod uslovom da ne bude svedena na opskurnu karikaturu koja prkosi racionalizmu i nauci.

Doduse, crkvene glavesine su munjevito istupile protiv ovog teksta, jasno stavljajuci do znanja da ih izlazak iz opskurnosti uopste ne zanima, vec iskljucivo politicka moc (i naravno, licno materijano bogatstvo) i vladanje drugim ljudima - a jednu takvu profesionalnu kastu vec imamo (politicare, da budem potpuno precizan).
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#1047 Mama_mia

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Posted 04 August 2017 - 17:16

stvarno mi nije jasno zasto tolika frka oko burkinija, ako svako moze svuda da obuce sta god hoce za plivanje, posebno na vecem delu blisistoka mozes kako hoces :lol+: 

 

...iako upravo razmisljam sta stvara vecu higijensku odbojnost - da li golo ili minimalno obuceno telo u bazenu ili gomila davno proprane tkanine, dok odgovorni tacno znaju odgovor:

 

 

CCIF said Fadila’s burkini could not have caused a hygiene issue as the swimsuits are specifically adapted for swimming.

 

A woman who wore a burkini to swim in a communal pool has reportedly been told to pay a considerable fine to fund cleaning costs at the facility.

The woman, named as Fadila, decided to go for a dip at the private residence renting with her family near Marseille in the south of France..

But after she entered the water a member of staff allegedly told everyone else to leave the pool. The owner later called her husband and asked him to stop her from swimming for the remainder of their stay. 

 

He is also alleged to have told the couple that they must foot the €490 (£440) bill for the pool being emptied and cleaned and pay damages because it was out of use for two days.

The building’s syndicate also filed a report saying a woman wearing a burqa had entered the pool on 21 July and when someone asked her to get out she had refused.

“I was stunned because no one stopped me or said anything at all,” Fadila told the charity United Against Islamophobia in France (CCIF).“I was disappointed, shocked, wounded by the fact that someone could be so hypocritical and wicked because of a burkini.”

The couple refused to pay the bill, but the owner allegedly removed the fine from their account without producing an invoice.........


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#1048 blond

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Posted 06 August 2017 - 17:32

Izvrstan tekst o prepoznavanju 'ideological identities'/'non-ideological identities' koje je, pak, neophodno za razumevanje 'religious tolerance'.

 

Posebno preporucujem onima koji olako potezu termin 'islamofobija' na svaku kritiku Islama:

 

Some claim there is an analogy between the identity politics of religion and the issues that arise with other excluded groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, disability and the like. What is supposed to hold these divergent identities together is that the groups in question have been treated unequally, or do not receive adequate recognition in the existing social and legal system. Religious groups require protection to secure their rights and recognition of their particular interests in practising their religion. Yet, however plausible these claims might be, there is a key distinction that needs to be made between identities that are based on what can be broadly described as ideological or value-laden commitments, and those that do not carry any such baggage. This distinction is essential to understanding the role of (religious) toleration in a liberal, democratic society.

 

https://aeon.co/essa...obust-criticism

 

 

 Religious identities are, I contend, heavily ideological and value-laden and, in this respect, more akin to political identities than to those based on race, gender or sexual orientation. 

Religious identities, like political identities, can still be amended: they are not natural features


Edited by blond, 06 August 2017 - 17:33.

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