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#16 alexnikolic

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 23:21

Imas podatke koji kazu da je Decembar 2010 najhladniji u X poslednjih godina globalno? Znaci i leto na juznoj hemisferi je najhladnije u poslednjih X godina?


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Florida
The National Weather Service reports Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Palm Beach, and Naples – among others – all observed their coldest December on record.

Arizona
Record cold in the Flagstaff area overnight has burst water pipes all over town.
Nevada
Las Vegas set a record today with the coldest high temperature ever recorded in Las Vegas on New Year's Eve: just 38 degrees
Oregon
Burns, Oregon fell to a bone chilling -25F on Friday morning (12/31), followed by -23F this morning (1/1). Both lows temperatures smashed the former record lows for those dates.
Utah
Cedar City dipped down to a frigid -15 degrees, beating its 1988 record of -10, according to meteorologist Linda Cheng of the National Weather Service. Ferron, in central Utah, reached -9 degrees, a few degrees below its record -6 degrees in 1975.
Georgia
Through Thursday, the average daily temperature has been 36.9 degrees – colder than any December since 1917, when the average temperature was 35.2 degrees, according to National Weather Service records.
Pennsylvania
December 2010 was one of the coldest on record in the Alle-Kiski Valley, and had more snow than usual.
Mid-Atlantic region
According to AccuWeather Senior Meteorologist Bob Smerbeck, December 2010 will be going down in the record books as one of the dozen or so coldest winters for the Mid-Atlantic region. That's based on records kept since 1897.
Cuba
Cuba registered on Wednesday its lowest temperatures for December in the last 50 years with 31 local records.
United Kingdom
Temperatures for December are the coldest on record, with the average reading close to minus 1c – almost six degrees below normal.
The benchmark Central England Temperature plunged to an average of -0.6C over the month, the lowest figure for December since 1890, according to MeteoGroup UK, the weather forecasting division of the Press Association.
Germany
It was the third coldest on record, and the coldest since 1969. The average temperature in December 2010 was -3.5 °C, which is -4.3°C under the 1961-1990 average of 0.8°C.
Ireland
"Met Office figures show that the average temperature from December 1, the first day of winter, to December 28 was a bitter minus 0.8c (30.5f). This equals the record December low of 1890."
Finland
According to the Finnish Meteorological Institute (FMI), the current December has been the coldest since 1978 in southern and central parts of Finland.
Sweden
Sweden's current cold snap will continue throughout December, which is now looking to be the coldest in at least 110 years, according to Swedish meteorologists.
Switzerland
There was an unusual amount of snow in the Swiss plateau in December, while the mountains were colder than they have been for decades.
India
MUMBAI: While the temperatures at party venues soared on Friday, the mercury plummeted to an all-time low of this season. With 12.8 degrees Celsius, the city recorded its chilliest New Year's Eve in the last seven years.
Korea
The South Korean capital Seoul is experiencing its coldest December in 30 years, with the temperature dropping as low as minus 15.1 degrees Celsius on Dec. 24, according to the weather bureau.

#17 Indy

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 23:54

Dakle, da li krecemo ka globalnom hladjenju? I ako idemo - sta cemo sa Carbon Tradingom?

Prvo, jedna godina (ili cak mesec) nije klima (zvanicno, to je statistika od najmanje 30 godina vremenskih podataka).

Drugo, hladna zima uopste nije nekonzistentna sa globalnim otopljavanjem. Izmedju ostalog, ima veze i sa povecanim topljenjem arktickog leda (koji sluzi kao neka vrsta pufera za hladan vazduh u toku zime - postoji o tome naucni rad, koga zanima).

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 00:21

Decembar 2010 ulazi u statistiku za narednu "klimatsku godinu" zakljucno sa novembrom 2011.

Prebacuju zimu za narednu godinu ko budžetski deficit :) Nasini stručnjaci su već hvatani u štelovanju rezultata a i kakve to veze ima kad spaljivanje svih preostalih rezervi mineralnih goriva ne može bitno poremetiti klimu. Uništavanje živog sveta može ali nije to ovde tema već što jedan parazitski japijevski sloj pokušava da se obogati i od vedrog vremena. Za kraj http://www.guardian....-climate-accord

#19 Indy

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 00:29

Prebacuju zimu za narednu godinu ko budžetski deficit :)

Smesno, zaista. Cak i da je tako (a koliko znam, nije), prosecna temperatura u jednom mesecu ne cini klimu (niti se moze direktno vezati sa promenom klime, u bilo kom smeru).

Za one kojima je bliska matematika, ima sledeca analogija: klima je kao integral vremenskih prilika kroz vreme i prostor. Tipicno 30 godina, kako rekoh, i - kada je u pitanju globalna klima - prostor cele planete. Hladan (ili vruc) mesec u jednom, dva ili tri dela sveta ne govori nista o tome sta radi globalna klima.

Edited by Indy, 30 January 2011 - 00:31.


#20 alexnikolic

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 00:38

Drugo, hladna zima uopste nije nekonzistentna sa globalnim otopljavanjem. Izmedju ostalog, ima veze i sa povecanim topljenjem arktickog leda (koji sluzi kao neka vrsta pufera za hladan vazduh u toku zime - postoji o tome naucni rad, koga zanima).


http://www.southpark...stop-the-future

Gledati od 0:48.

#21 Indy

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 00:49

Zabavno, ali ne znam sta bi to trebalo da mi kaze.

#22 alexnikolic

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 00:53

@Indy
Pa treba da ti kaze da, sta god da se desi po pitanju vremena, zaludjenici i dalje tvrde da je to konzistentno sa globalnim otopljavanjem. Sad da 10 godina krene da pada temperatura, i to bi bilo konzistentno. Umorio sam se od citanja gluposti.

Edited by alexnikolic, 30 January 2011 - 00:56.


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Posted 30 January 2011 - 00:57

@Indy
Pa treba da ti kaze da, sta god da se desi po pitanju vremena, zaludjenici i dalje tvrde da je to konzistentno sa globalnim otopljavanjem. Sad da 10 godina krene da pada temperatura, i to bi bilo konzistentno. Umorio sam se od citanja gluposti.

Evo ti malo jaca literatura od South Parka.
http://www.scienceda...01117114028.htm

Mozda bi trebalo da prestanes da ti pises gluposti i da one koji u stvari znaju o cemu govore zoves "zaludjenicima".

EDIT. Usput, ni South Park nisi uspeo da shvatis ispravno, oni se upravo podsmevaju u tom klipu "red neckovima" koji o klimatologiji znaju jednako puno kao i o evoluciji, ili bilo cemu drugom (van Biblije).

Edited by Indy, 30 January 2011 - 01:04.


#24 alexnikolic

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 01:05

Evo ti malo jaca literatura od South Parka.
http://www.scienceda...01117114028.htm


The overall warming of Earth's northern half could result in cold winters, new research shows. The shrinking of sea-ice in the eastern Arctic causes some regional heating of the lower levels of air -- which may lead to strong anomalies in atmospheric airstreams, triggering an overall cooling of the northern continents,

Primeticu mnogo could i may u ovoj recenici. A zasto - zato sto je cista propaganda.

Edited by alexnikolic, 30 January 2011 - 01:06.


#25 Indy

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 01:14

Primeticu mnogo could i may u ovoj recenici. A zasto - zato sto je cista propaganda.

Cigarette smoking may cause cancer of the lungs, other organs

Cista propaganda, takodje.

Bolje za pocetak nauci da razlikujes klimu i vreme...

EDIT. Usput, ako ti u literaturi smetaju "may" i "could" onda nauka definitivno nije za tebe. Probaj Bibliju ili neki slican spis, tamo je sve potpuno sigurno.

Edited by Indy, 30 January 2011 - 01:17.


#26 alexnikolic

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 01:21

EDIT. Usput, ako ti u literaturi smetaju "may" i "could" onda nauka definitivno nije za tebe. Probaj Bibliju ili neki slican spis, tamo je sve potpuno sigurno.


U slucaju ovog teksta koji si ti velikodusno podelio sa mnom, may i could se pojavljuju zato sto dokaza nema (tekst je objavljen cisto da se opravda hladna zima). Da bi nesto u naucnom radu mogao da tvrdis, moras da testiras hipotezu. U ovom slucaju to ne vidim. Dakle, to nisu naucni radovi nego beletristika.

#27 Indy

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 01:31

U slucaju ovog teksta koji si ti velikodusno podelio sa mnom, may i could se pojavljuju zato sto dokaza nema (tekst je objavljen cisto da se opravda hladna zima). Da bi nesto u naucnom radu mogao da tvrdis, moras da testiras hipotezu. U ovom slucaju to ne vidim. Dakle, to nisu naucni radovi nego beletristika.

Evo da vidimo i autora doticne beletristike (inace, u pitanju su rezultati simulacija objavljeni u casopisu Journal of Geophysical Research, casopis koji objavljuje peer-reviewed naucne radove, sa Impakt Faktorom 3.082 u 2009.) Rad je dakle odobren za stampu od strane peer-reviewera, sto znaci da nije u pitanju beletristika, vec nauka (osim ako ne verujemo u globalnu zaveru prakticno svih naucnika).

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Email: vladimir.petoukhov (at) pik-potsdam.de

Ovde su mu objavljeni radovi (oni najvazniji). Sve "beletristika", cenim od koje mozes jos vise da se umoris od "citanja gluposti".

#28 alexnikolic

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 01:34

Evo da vidimo i autora doticne beletristike (inace, u pitanju su rezultati simulacija objavljeni u casopisu Journal of Geophysical Research, casopis koji objavljuje peer-reviewed naucne radove, sa Impakt Faktorom 3.082 u 2009.) Rad je dakle odobren za stampu od strane peer-reviewera, sto znaci da nije u pitanju beletristika, vec nauka (osim ako ne verujemo u globalnu zaveru prakticno svih naucnika).


Da, hranili su kompjuter podacima i onda radili simulacije. Kao i kod finansijskog modeliranja vazi ona izreka "garbage in -> garbage out"... Evo ja sam radio sad simulaciju u kadi i dosao sam do suprotnih zakljucaka. Sta mi mogu?

Covek dobija platu zato sto pise to sto pise. Zamisli da prekine maltretiranje sa globalnim otopljavanjem - ko bi ga sponzorisao da lupa?

Edited by alexnikolic, 30 January 2011 - 01:35.


#29 Indy

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 01:42

Covek dobija platu zato sto pise to sto pise.

Zapanjujuce! Svako dobija platu zato sto radi to sto radi. To dokazuje, sta? Da su svi korumpirani (osim onih koji nesto rade dobrovoljno u kadi, dok ih izdrzavaju roditelji)?

Na osnovu kog autoriteta tvrdis da je ovaj naucnik ne samo korumpiran vec i da su mu kompjuterski modeli "djubre", kao i da ih hrani "djubretom" (te da ne ume pravilno ni da proceni rezultate, koji su, naravno, jos jedno "djubre"?)

Nema se kuda, alex... moras ili da odstupis, ili stanes cvrsto na poziciju da je kompletna danasnja nauka globalno leglo korupcije, prevare i nezamislivo detaljno-razradjene zavere. U odnosu na njih je Cosa Nostra hor "Kolibri".

#30 alexnikolic

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 01:47

@Indy
Izucavanje i predvidjanje klimatskih pojava jeste kvazi-nauka. Da nije, do danas bismo imali jasne matematicke modele koji mogu da predvide i vreme i klimu na duzi period od 3 dana. Osnovna osobina nauke jeste da moze nesto da predvidi na osnovu dokazanih teorija - sto u slucaju ovih "nauka" nije tako. Gle cuda, bas pred najhladniji decembar oni objave tekst koji povezuje zahladjenje i globalno zagrevanje. Nije nego. Najveca ironija je da je upravo Potsdam, gde ovaj "naucnik" drnda kvazi-modele, jedan od gradova sa rekordno niskom temperaturom ove godine :). Morao je covek nekako da se spasi blama posle jake zime 2009. godine, pa napravio model.