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[zoran59]

Zanimljiv clanak, podsecanje na Renee Richards...

 

http://www.bbc.com/n...gazine-33062241

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[Kido from Junkovac]

http://articles.lati...sports/sp-50252

 

Nije toliko staro, ali pasuje za ovaj topik

[Lanternista]

Analiza finala Stokholma 1986. izmedju Edberga i Vilandera http://www.profesion...er-6-2-6-1-6-1/

[wwww]

Jedna molba za Milutinovog tatu (ili nekog drugog ako hoce ili smatra da ima dovoljno podataka za analizu).

 

Ovih dana citam veliki broj svakojakih analiza i poredjenja Fedove 2006 i Novakovih 2011 i 2015 sezona (koje konkurisu za #2 najbolju sezonu ikada), gde  se Lejverova sezona 1969 uzima kao najbolja ikada. Cesto se kao argument za nemogucnost poredjenja Fedove i Novakove sezone pominje da se tenis, turniri, sistem takmicenja drasticno promenio od 2006 do 2015. Elem, tenis 1969-te godine i ovaj u 21. veku se malo vise razlikuju. Sta vise, 60tih godina su postojale dve odvojene lige (profesionalna i amaterska). Zato bi me zanimalo da li bi mozda imao vremena i volje da malo proanaliziras 60-te godine i tadasnju konkurenciju u obe lige, a narocito Lejvera, njegovu konkurenciju i uspehe te 1969. godine, kao i pre i posle. Mislim da si ti, od svih nas koji ovde pisemo, najbolje informisan (a uz to i objektivan u analizama) i po mom misljenju mozes da nam najbolje predocis tadasnje stanje stvari i kontekst u kome su neki rezultati ostvarivani.

 

Hvala unapred (kao i bilo kome drugom ko se lati napred pomenute analize).

[McLeod]

Ja mogu samo da kazem da je 1969. bila Open era. Tako da je vecina profesionalaca igrala te turnire, problem je bio sto su glavni Lejverovi konkurenti iz dana pro tura bili stariji od njega, Panco Gonzalez i Ruzvel. Toni Rouc, Tom Oker i Roj Emerson su igrali amaterske turnire, nisu isli u profesionalce, a dosta o njihovom kvalitetu govori podatak da nisu osvajali titule od kako su se profesionalci vratili na tur.

 

Glavni rivali su mu bili Rouc, Ruzvel (sa kojim ima najvece rivalstvo u istoriji tenisa, ako racunamo i Pro-Tur), Artur Es i Dzon Njukomb. Zanimljivo je da je Rouc bio najkonstantniji posle njega na slemovima te sezone, 3 SF i jedno F. Njukomb je jedini od te ekipe koji je osvojio 5+ slemova posle 1969.

 

Posle 1969. Lejver je prakticno bataljivao tenis, igrao je maksimum dva slema do 1977, a najdalje je stigao do QF W '71.

 

Da dobijemo malo pojam o vremenu - vec 1974. su sve slemove osvojili Konors i Borg. Njukomb je 1975. osvojio svoj poslednji slem, protiv Konorsa na AO, dok je Artur Es isto osvojio svoj poslednji slem te godine, na Vimbldonu je dobio i Borga i Konorsa. I to je bio prakticno poslednji trzaj te ere, od 1976. do 1981. na ta bitnija tri slema (posto maltene niko iz vrha nije igrao AO), Borg, Mekinro i Konors su osvojili 15 od 18 titula.

Edited by McLeod, 21 October 2015 - 11:25.

[Milutinov Tata]

Potrudicu se cim nadjem malo vise vremena da napisem nesto o tome, McL je fino to napisao u kratkim crtama. Moje misljenje je da se ta sezona uzima suvise "zdravo za gotovo" kao najbolja jer je uzeo sva 4 GS, ali opet treba imati u vidu kontekst tog vremena, kao sto je i slucaj sa 1984. i Mekinroom. Pocetkom Open ere, pa prakticki sve do kraja osmadesetih igraci su igrali pre svega za pare, ne za trofeje (izuzimam W i USO). Cesto pominjan AO jeste bio u nezgodnom terminu, ali nije imao ni nagradni fond koji bi privukao najbolje tenisere, RG je bio u velikoj krizi sedamdesetih (pogledajte godine kada je Mima dominirala ). To su bila potpuno druga vremena.

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Hvala

[Lanternista]

7 tinejdzera koji su osvojili Grand Slam titulu u Open eri. Prvi deo ide od Borga 1974. do Bekera 1985.

 

http://www.tenniswor...olo28494.html��

[Kido from Junkovac]

Fenomenalna knjiga 'On the Court and Off' Anthony Wildinga cetvorostrukog pobednika na W.

Zanimljivo pise i daje izuzetan uvid u razvoj tenisa u to vreme i sta je na sceni.

Ne moze da se kopira kao tekst iz ove knjige, npr pocinje:

 

In no other game in which I am acquainted has there be such development in mode and style

of play as in lawn tennis. ...

Two of the alterations most marked are increased pace and the volleying. Volleying is now a necessity 

even for the average player. The American service has done much to develop volleying. It has incouraged

players to approach the net more frequently....

 

Wilding krece da objasnjava na dosta analitican nacin stanje u tenisu kroz primere i odmah se bavi tehnikom

 i stilom (i efektima umora u petom setu; vise puta u prvih par strana !) i kako treba servirati.

 

'Lawn tennis is essentially a game in which each player must have individual peculiarities'

 

The stivo.

 

 

 

https://archive.org/...andoff005220mbp

Edited by Kido from Junkovac, 20 January 2016 - 04:03.

[zoran59]

Odlican link, moze se fino citati. Hvala!

[wwww]

U komentarima na tennis.com ima i ovo:

 

 

Dick Sentner

2 days ago

 

 

number 12: Borg won six RG singles titles not five. And when he was getting ready to go for his fifth straight in 1982, the French said he would have to enter the qualifying events first because he had taken four months off. This more than anything else-- Wimbledon was falling suit-- is what led to his retirement, not the usual nonsense about McEnroe driving him into retirement.

 

 

 

Dick Sentner 21 hours ago

 

Here is the story. I remember reading it at the time. For some reason, tennis journalists have ever since taken the stance that McEnroe drove Borg out of tennis because Bjorn realized he could no longer beat him.

   When Mcenroe beat Borg at the U.S. Open in1981, Borg took time off away from tennis. He eventually made plans to enter Monte Carlo in 1982 but was told that because his ranking had tanked badly he would have to play as a qualifier. Borg did so, winning the three matches to get into the tournament but then being upset a few matches into the tournament. Then the French said he would have to play as a qualifier even though he had won it the last four years. Wimbledon soon followed suit. The Queens Club said he had never played our tournament so why should we do him any favors.

     Borg had never had much of a life outside of tennis but during his time off, he found one and he liked it. He found the attitude of the tournaments to be very insulting and began to question whether it might be better to retire. He agonized over this and eventually decided he would retire. I think the fact that he now had a life outside of tennis probably made it easier for him to retire.

     The Grand slam committee obviously didn't feel good about what had just happened, so at their next major meeting they passed a new rule. They didn't but they might have called it "the Borg Rule." In the future, any player who wins a slam can enter that slam regardless of their ranking. 

     I remember reading about all of this at the time, but strangely enough the tennis journalists have remained mum about all of this. There are a number of ironies here, one of them being that over the years Mcenroe's reputation as a top player has slid while Borg's has soared. 

 

 

 

Pretpostavljam da je prica istinita. Mozda Tata moze da potvrdi (mrzi me da googlam )

[alcesta]

U onom dokumentarcu o Borgu i Mekinrou Mek je pričao kako je dugo razgovarao s njim telefonom u tom periodu i da mu je Borg poverio kako mu jednostavno više nije do tenisa, da nema više želje i da mu je strašan napor da uopšte izlazi na teren. 

 

 

O Agasijevom osvajanju RG:

http://baseline.tenn...edemption-paris

Edited by alcesta, 09 June 2016 - 23:38.

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https://sports.vice....tor=SportsREDEF

[alcesta]

Odličan tekst, nisam znala ove detalje o zatvoru i ostalom

 

Gottfried's reply epitomised his character. "On the contrary, I don't think that I've failed the German people," he said. "In fact, I think I've honoured them."

Ovo mi je uvek prva asocijacija na njega.