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#1 Vincenzo

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Posted 01 June 2008 - 15:20

Uvek je na ovom polju bilo promasaja, ali ja ne pamtim da je ikada bilo ovolikih. :huh: Moguce je da ni vreme nikada nije bilo ovakvo, mada u to sumnjam.

Potpuno me frustrira cinjenica da nasi meteorolozi (strane ne pratim toliko), ne mogu da predvide kakvo ce vreme biti u periodu od narednih 12 sati, a da ne govorim o dugorocnim prognozama.

Najbolji primer mi je nedelja za nama. Ok pogodili su da ce pocetak nedelje biti topao, medjutim ta se njihova prognoza o vrelom vremenu otegla sve do petka, a vidimo da nije bilo tako. Pogotovu mi je humoristicna bila prognoza za cetvrak. Naime, u sredu prepodne su rekli da ce u cetvrtak biti toplo kao sto je bilo i u sredu, znaci 34 stepena, zatim su u sredu popodne promenili i rekli da ce ipak najvisa u cetvrtak biti 30, a onda je u sredu ujutro bilo hladnjikavo, a najvisa dnevna je bila 26 :)

Za ovaj vikend je najavljena kisa. :rolleyes: Posto mi je znacilo kakvo ce vreme biti odlazio sam na sajt weather2umbrella nekoliko puta dnevno i uvideo kako prognoza moze da se promeni pet puta u toku dana. Prvo su najavili kisu za vikend. Onda kada nije pala u subotu, sveli su tu kisu samo na subotu vece, e onda kako nije pala ni u subotu vece ostalo je da ce padati samo u nedelju prepodne. ;) Jel neko btw. gledao danas kroz prozor :D

Pored svega toga neki disa iz hidrometeoroloskog zavoda se usudio da izda prognozu za celo leto 0:) http://www.blic.co.yu/

Da su dovoljno moralni do sada bi svi podneli ostavke 0:)

#2 Jr

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Posted 01 June 2008 - 16:23

Eh,
Kad bi jos znao da su u pitanju (makar do prije par godina bili) najbolji meterolozi u evropi :rolleyes:

Pa ti vidi kakvi su ostali.


Pitaju indijanci vraca kakva ce biti nadolazeca zima. Vrac pade u “trans” i rece ostra. K’o veli, bolje je da malo precijeni, nego da podcijeni ostrinu zime. Indijanci se pocese pripremati za zimu – skupljanje drva, lov i susenje mesa, stavljenje koza i krojenje odjece.
Zima bi blaga. Indijanci gundjaju, ali vrac ipak osta na funkciji.

Sljedecu jesen ponovi se cijela prica. Indijanci kod vraca, a vrac sad vec pod pritiskom ponovi da ce biti ostra zima. Indijanci opet u pripreme – skupljanje drva, lov i susenje mesa, stavljenje koza i krojenje odjece.

Zima opet bi blaga. Indijanci sad vec pravo nezadovoljni.

Sljedecu jesen vrac odluci da ne rizikuje, nego se zaputi u najblizi grad i nazove meteorologa da ga priupita za prognozu.
Kaze njemu meteorolog: “Bit’ ce jako ostra zima…eno indijanci iz susednog sela se spremaju ima vec dvije godine


#3 Vincenzo

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Posted 01 June 2008 - 16:45

Ta fora je vec prastara, mada dobra i slikovita. U svakom slucaju se svodimo otprilike na takve procene.

Posle ovakvih prognoza ja vise verujem u krilatice tipa: "Od svetog Ilije sunce sve milije" :rolleyes: jer stvarno tako i ispada. Svake godine " tamo negde oko svetog ilije, mislis izgore sve..." medjutim redovno padne kisa i od tada je u avgustu redovno vreme sucmurasto, tako da ne znam odakle obraza ovima iz zavoda da mi predvidjaju vreo avgust :huh:

#4 iDemo

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Posted 02 June 2008 - 06:39

Meteorolozi, za razliku od nekih drugih, nemaju u svojoj prirodi niti u prirodi svog posla upisano "uporedi prognozu sa onim sto se desilo posle" i "unapredi prognozu na osnovu prethodnih promashaja i pogodaka". Ovo mozda nije sveto pismo al' je II deo (ili tako nesto). S jedne strane - to je smesno a, sa druge, treba covek da ima i malo razumevanja - oni ionako daju prognoze tipa "bice mestimicno, delimicno, malo do umereno oblacno" i tome slicno... Ili "bice kishe" - i tu onda ide nesto kao - "najmanje 0 mm, ocekujemo 15 mm a mozda dobaci i do svih 25 mm". Ja imam razumevanja za njih kad dodje to "uporedjivanja" prognoze za onim sto se desilo ( "ostvarilo" ) - kako sabiti onoliku "mestimicno delimicnu" prognozu u jedan sasvim normalan dan sa svih svojih 12.5 mm kishe i "umereno oblacnim" vremenom... Nikako naravno. Zato njih nekoliko koje ja znam ni ne razmisljaju o tome da uporede svoje "prognoze" sa "ostvarenjem"... Mrak? Mrak.

Mene nije mrzelo da to uradim i mogu da kazem (opet za ovih par mojih) da su tugaljivi sto se rezultata tice. I da dodam da sam ja uporedjivao njihove "ocekujemo" vrednosti. Ono - kad kazu "temperatura izmedju 3 i 20 stepeni" nisam uzimao u obzir... :rolleyes:

Srecom se u novije vreme u njihovu struku mesha gomila nekih sto znaju i neku drugu matematiku a ne samo ovu njihovu "mestimicno delimicno" aka fuzzy... Mozda bude nesto od toga.

#5 Indy

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Posted 02 June 2008 - 06:54

Super si to izračunao za jednog paleontologa. :rolleyes:

#6 iDemo

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Posted 02 June 2008 - 08:09

Cuti, jos nisam izracunao al' se oshtro spremam...

#7 Dunadan

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Posted 02 June 2008 - 13:33

glede vremenskih prognoza, od besmrtnog Dzeroma i Tri choveka u chamcu:

I do think that, of all the silly, irritating tomfoolishness by which we
are plagued, this "weather-forecast" fraud is about the most aggravating.
It "forecasts" precisely what happened yesterday or a the day before, and
precisely the opposite of what is going to happen to-day.

I remember a holiday of mine being completely ruined one late autumn by
our paying attention to the weather report of the local newspaper.
"Heavy showers, with thunderstorms, may be expected to-day," it would say
on Monday, and so we would give up our picnic, and stop indoors all day,
waiting for the rain. - And people would pass the house, going off in
wagonettes and coaches as jolly and merry as could be, the sun shining
out, and not a cloud to be seen.

"Ah!" we said, as we stood looking out at them through the window, "won't
they come home soaked!"

And we chuckled to think how wet they were going to get, and came back
and stirred the fire, and got our books, and arranged our specimens of
seaweed and cockle shells. By twelve o'clock, with the sun pouring into
the room, the heat became quite oppressive, and we wondered when those
heavy showers and occasional thunderstorms were going to begin.

"Ah! they'll come in the afternoon, you'll find," we said to each other.
"Oh, WON'T those people get wet. What a lark!"

At one o'clock, the landlady would come in to ask if we weren't going
out, as it seemed such a lovely day.

"No, no," we replied, with a knowing chuckle, "not we. WE don't mean to
get wet - no, no."

And when the afternoon was nearly gone, and still there was no sign of
rain, we tried to cheer ourselves up with the idea that it would come
down all at once, just as the people had started for home, and were out
of the reach of any shelter, and that they would thus get more drenched
than ever. But not a drop ever fell, and it finished a grand day, and a
lovely night after it.

The next morning we would read that it was going to be a "warm, fine to
set-fair day; much heat;" and we would dress ourselves in flimsy things,
and go out, and, half-an-hour after we had started, it would commence to
rain hard, and a bitterly cold wind would spring up, and both would keep
on steadily for the whole day, and we would come home with colds and
rheumatism all over us, and go to bed.

The weather is a thing that is beyond me altogether. I never can
understand it. The barometer is useless: it is as misleading as the
newspaper forecast.


#8 zvengele

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Posted 04 June 2008 - 20:14

pa nesto je definitivno trulo u drzavi danskoj...

mogu slobodno zakljuciti da su se posteno 'nashuketali' u predodnom periodu...cika meterolog i vidovita branka...





bas mi pre neki dan u banci neki matori komentarisuci vrucinu iznese teoriju zavere....
recenica:

"sine videces ti kad pocnu olimpiske igre,ima sve oblake da nam poceraju vamo...eto pazi sta san ti reKO" :ph34r: