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Koja je buduca svetska valuta?

  1. Dolar (95 votes [21.02%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.02%

  2. Evro (196 votes [43.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.36%

  3. Juan (67 votes [14.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.82%

  4. Nesto cetvrto (94 votes [20.80%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.80%

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#3751 JimmyM

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 14:58

A sad malo globalne stvari, ne bih bio ovako pametan da ne postavim :kece:
 

 

 

The Fall and Rise of the West
Why America and Europe Will Emerge Stronger From the Financial Crisis
By Roger C. Altman
January/February 2013

 

The 2008 financial crisis and the Great Recession that followed have had devastating effects on the U.S. economy and millions of American lives. But the U.S. economy will emerge from its trauma stronger and widely restructured. Europe should eventually experience a similar strengthening, although its future is less certain and its recovery will take longer to develop. The United States is much further along because its financial crisis struck three years before Europe's, in 2008, causing headwinds that have pressured it ever since. It will take another two to three years for these to subside, but after that, U.S. economic growth should outperform expectations. In contrast, Europe is still in the midst of its financial crisis. If historical logic prevails there, it will take four to six years for strong European growth to materialize.

 

Such strengthening in both regions will occur for one major reason: the crisis years have triggered wide economic restructuring. Sweeping changes in government finances, banking systems, and manufacturing are under way, as are structural reforms in labor markets. All this is proving once again that global capital markets, the most powerful economic force on earth, can effect changes beyond the capacity of normal political processes. And in this case, they can refute all the forecasts of Western economic decline. Indeed, in the years ahead, the United States and Europe could once again become locomotives for global economic growth.

 

This is not to say that the crises were worth the pain; they most definitely were not. There is palpable suffering on both sides of the Atlantic due to unemployment and government austerity measures. It is tragic that so many people have lost their jobs and will never recover them. And it is socially corrosive that the crises have accentuated existing trends toward greater income inequality. But these events happened, and the subject being addressed here is their long-term impact.

 

The U.S. economy has been expanding -- albeit in fits and starts -- since the recession's trough, in June 2009. Europe, however, is on an entirely different timetable. Unlike those in the United States, Europe's financial systems did not implode in 2008. There were severe problems in Ireland and the United Kingdom, but capital markets did not revolt against Europe as a whole, and thus there was not a large fiscal or monetary response. It was not until 2012, when the sovereign debt and banking crises hit the continent in full force, that the eurozone confronted problems comparable to those that had afflicted the U.S. economy in 2008–9. As of today, therefore, the eurozone's GDP is still shrinking, and its recession may not have bottomed out yet. Having experienced its crisis first, the United States now faces a shorter path to recovery. Yet if European countries can restructure their economies to the degree that the United States has, there will be cause for optimism.

 

The economists Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff have argued that periods of economic recovery after financial crises are slower, longer, and more turbulent than those following recessions induced by the business cycle. The painfully slow recovery in the United States and the sharp economic stress in Europe corroborate this thesis. But history is filled with examples of countries whose economies grew stronger after financial implosions. Following the Asian financial crisis of 1997–98, South Korea accepted a tough bailout package from the International Monetary Fund, strengthened its financial system, and increased the flexibility of its labor markets; soon thereafter, it enjoyed an economic boom. In Mexico, the economy has performed well ever since the collapse of the peso and the U.S. rescue package of 1994. A similar phenomenon occurred in parts of Latin America following the sovereign debt crises there in the late 1980s. Although these financial crises were far smaller than the 2008 collapse in the United States, they followed the same pattern, with capital markets rejecting the old order -- and then inducing major economic restructuring.

 

RESTRUCTURING AMERICA

 

Why will the recent crises eventually strengthen the U.S. and European economies? In the United States, a resurgent housing sector, a revolution in energy production, a remodeled banking system, and a more efficient manufacturing industry will fuel a boom. Meanwhile, the reelection of President Barack Obama and the looming "fiscal cliff" have increased the prospects of a grand bargain on deficit reduction and a solution to the country's debt problem.

 

First, after suffering a catastrophic collapse, the U.S. housing market is now poised for major, multiyear growth. Historically, when the U.S. housing sector has been pushed down far enough for long enough periods of time, it has eventually rebounded to very high levels. Before the recent crisis, the housing bubble had inflated so much that when it finally burst, the sector truly collapsed. Between 2000 and 2004, an average of 1.4 million single-family homes were built per year, but that number declined to 500,000 after the crisis and remained there until recently. Sales of new homes, which averaged 900,000 per year during the bubble, fell by two-thirds after the bubble popped. And overall residential investment, which accounted for four percent of U.S. GDP from 1980 to 2005, has averaged only 2.5 percent since 2008.

 

Although the housing collapse meant disaster for millions of homeowners who could not service their mortgages, it also cleared out the abuses and excesses that had plagued the sector for years. As a result, U.S. banks have spent the last few years improving their mortgage-underwriting standards and securitization markets, and household attitudes toward mortgages and home-equity financing have become healthier. Now, the housing sector has finally turned a corner, with a key home price index -- the S&P/Case-Shiller 20-city composite -- rising by eight percent since March 2012. The levels of relevant supply have fallen sharply (in other words, fewer homes are for sale), mortgage credit is more readily available, and population growth, coupled with a recovery in household-formation rates, is likely to drive high demand -- all of which means that house prices are bound to keep growing. These factors are likely to boost total residential investment, which includes new construction and home remodeling, by 15–20 percent over the next five years. This change alone could add one percentage point to annual U.S. GDP growth and as many as four million new jobs to the economy.

 

Second, new technologies are producing a spectacular turnaround in U.S. oil and gas production. Advanced seismic techniques and innovative approaches to hydraulic fracturing and horizontal drilling have opened energy deposits that were previously unknown or inaccessible. The result has been a dramatic recovery of both the natural gas and the oil industries. In 2012, U.S. natural gas output reached 65 billion cubic feet per day, which is 25 percent higher than it was five years ago and an all-time record. Shale gas accounted for much of this increase. Meanwhile, U.S. oil output has soared. It is estimated that in 2012 alone, the production of oil and other liquid hydrocarbons, such as biofuels, rose by seven percent, to 10.9 million barrels per day. This marks the largest single-year increase since 1951.

 

Moving forward, the U.S. Department of Energy forecasts that American liquid hydrocarbon production will rise another 500,000 barrels in 2013, and the International Energy Agency projects that the United States will surpass Saudi Arabia as the world's largest oil producer by about 2017. Overall, this energy boom could add three percent to U.S. GDP over the next decade, in addition to as many as three million direct and indirect jobs, almost all of which will pay high wages. The United States could cut its oil imports by one-third, improving its balance-of-payments deficit. Also, the higher natural gas output will reduce the average consumer's utility bill by almost $1,000 per year, representing a further stimulus to the U.S. economy. And the American public's hunger for economic recovery and jobs has softened opposition to this energy revolution.

 

Third, negative publicity aside, the U.S. banking system has been recapitalized and thoroughly restructured since 2008. No one could have reasonably imagined the speed of the improvements in banks' capital and liquidity ratios that have occurred since then. The largest banks have consistently passed the rigorous stress tests administered by the U.S. Federal Reserve, and, surprisingly, they are well ahead of schedule in meeting their required capital ratios under the Basel III international regulatory framework. Midsize banks are in even better shape. Although the job is not yet finished, these institutions have rapidly rid themselves of their troubled legacy assets, especially mortgage-backed securities. Both large and midsize banks have divested from broad swaths of assets and raised substantial new capital from public and private sources. In many cases, moreover, they have revamped their management teams and boards of directors. In light of these changes, the earlier, acute concerns about the financial stability of U.S. banks have largely dissipated.

 

In fact, banks are already lending aggressively again to both businesses and consumers. According to the Federal Reserve, outstanding loans to U.S. businesses now total $1.45 trillion, having increased at double-digit rates for each of the past four quarters. This number is still below the 2008 peak, but the gap is closing quickly. In terms of consumer credit, the previous record high was surpassed in 2011, and the total rose by another three to four percent in 2012. All this credit is boosting GDP growth, and the banking sector is likely to expand its loan totals consistently over the next few years.

 

Fourth, the Great Recession has quietly spurred greater efficiencies in the U.S. manufacturing sector. Unit production costs are down by 11 percent in the United States compared with ten years ago, even as they continue to rise in many other industrialized countries. And the differences between U.S. and Chinese labor costs are narrowing. The U.S. economy has added half a million new manufacturing jobs since 2010, and this growth should persist for a number of years. The transformation of the U.S. manufacturing sector is perhaps best reflected in the auto industry. In 2005, U.S. automakers' hourly labor costs were 40 percent higher than those of foreign producers that operate plants in the United States. But today, these costs are virtually identical, and the Big Three -- Chrysler, Ford, and General Motors -- have regained market share in North America.

 

The resurgence of the housing and energy sectors will also positively affect the manufacturing industry. Given that the outlook for residential construction is so strong -- and considering that new homes contain so many manufactured products -- further manufacturing job growth is a near certainty. Moreover, decreasing natural gas prices will aid the petrochemical sector and all types of manufacturing that use this fuel.

Finally, although there are no guarantees, the chances that Washington will fix the national debt problem have increased. With Obama citing deficit reduction as the foremost goal of his second term -- and with election results that were unfavorable to Republicans, whose anti-tax position now lacks public sanction -- the prospects for a decisive deficit-reduction agreement have improved. If this occurs in 2013, it will provide a further boost to business and investor confidence, as well as to overall private investment.

 

HOPE FOR EUROPE

 

In Europe, there is less evidence, so far, that economies will emerge stronger from the crisis years. This is largely because after a sharp dip in 2008, Europe was recovering until the eurozone's twin sovereign debt and banking crises struck in 2011. Furthermore, compared with that of the United States, the amount of economic restructuring required in Europe is deeper and harder to achieve. In part, this reflects the sheer complexity of the European Union, which is composed of 27 very different countries. It is also an outgrowth of the inherently inflexible, sclerotic nature of many European economies. Therefore, the consequences of the European crisis and the question of whether it will truly lead to wide-scale restructuring remain unclear. Nevertheless, it is logical that large and positive changes could emerge, and a few encouraging signs are already visible. The eurozone has been fitfully moving toward fiscal union and banking reform. Across the EU, economies are boosting their productivity and making their exports more competitive, and governments are reining in their public sectors.

 

There are also precedents within Europe of restructuring and strengthening after major financial crises, such as Sweden's experience in the 1990s. In that case, a credit and real estate boom coincided with a long period of public-sector expansion and a debt-to-GDP ratio of around 80 percent. Sweden, at the time, was widely considered the model of the European welfare state. In 1992, however, its banking system collapsed and unemployment rose to 12 percent, triggering wide-ranging economic, fiscal, and banking reform. Stockholm raised taxes, deregulated the electricity and telecommunications sectors, and slashed federal spending, including on pensions and unemployment benefits. All these steps improved Swedish competitiveness and boosted GDP growth, which rebounded to four percent two years later, in 1994.

 

In the eurozone today, governments are making tentative progress. Consider, for a start, the fiscal side, where there has been movement toward instituting a central fiscal authority with meaningful control over budgets and debt on a country-by-country basis. The eurozone members will probably not accord the eventual fiscal union with the legal authority to completely reject national budgets. Still, if it has credibility in financial markets, the fiscal union will possess real power, because its expressions of disapproval could induce punitive reactions from those markets.

Second, the eurozone's decision to give the European Central Bank supervision over the continent's largest private banks is also a major step forward. As a result of this move, these banks will finally be regulated in a modern, transparent, and independent fashion -- a far cry from the present situation, in which weak local overseers coddle the banks. It also moves the European Central Bank closer to the more powerful and flexible model of the U.S. Federal Reserve. This is an essential change.

 

To fully repair its banking system, the eurozone needs an entity similar to the United States' Troubled Asset Relief Program, known as TARP, and the recapitalization of Spain's banks is a first step in that direction. The EU's bailout fund, the European Stability Mechanism, is providing Spanish banks with capital conditional on an overall cleanup of their balance sheets. If this approach were adopted throughout Europe, it would ultimately produce a healthier financial system.

 

Third, some countries in Europe are in the process of improving their structural productivity problems, which were a major, albeit less widely noted, contributor to the crisis. It looks increasingly possible that the least competitive European economies, mainly located along the continent's southern periphery, will make substantial improvements in productivity. Without local currencies to depreciate, these countries have been cutting costs through internal devaluations, which involve cutting labor inputs. In Greece, Portugal, and Spain -- the eurozone countries under the most financial pressure -- unit labor costs have fallen significantly since 2010. These countries have also initiated crucial labor-market reforms, such as curbing minimum-wage requirements and eliminating restrictions on hiring, firing, and severance. Ireland's path is instructive. After the Irish banking system collapsed in 2008, Dublin cut manufacturing costs sharply and boosted productivity. Today, just a few years removed from its crisis, Ireland is again one of the most efficient places in Europe for production.

 

Fourth, exports in the peripheral countries -- which have long labored under large trade deficits with Germany and other northern European states -- are regaining their competitiveness. As a result, Italy, Portugal, and Spain now enjoy reduced deficits in both trade and their current accounts, reflecting the lower costs of their exports and a weaker euro. In Greece, despite the severity of that country's economic fall, the absolute level of exports has returned to pre-crisis levels.

 

Finally, by beginning to trim their public sectors, eurozone governments are playing an important role in the continent's economic renewal, as these spending cuts will create more room for the private sector to grow. According to the European Commission, the collective deficit of the 17 members of the eurozone fell to 4.1 percent of GDP in 2011, a significant decrease from the 6.2 percent figure in 2010. Moreover, the broader EU saw its collective deficit cut by one-third in 2011. To be sure, many of the European countries' deficit-to-GDP ratios remain well above the official target of three percent, and debt actually grew faster than GDP in the eurozone as a whole last year. Still, pressure from financial markets should continue to shrink European public sectors into the future.

 

Throughout modern history, severe financial crises have caused great pain to vulnerable segments of affected societies, but they have also often strengthened underlying economies. Both of these countervailing phenomena are asserting themselves in the United States today. Europe is inherently more fragile, but initial evidence suggests that the same dynamic is occurring there. If this historical pattern holds true, the United States and Europe could defy conventional wisdom and again lead growth in the world economy.

 

 

 


 http://www.foreignaf...ise-of-the-west

 

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Edited by JimmyM, 16 January 2013 - 15:08.


#3752 Anduril

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:54

jasno, ali ako gledas dugorocno da li je toliko relevantno gledati samo poslednjih 10 godina, ili mozda treba 20-30 pa cak i 50 godina

 

a na kraju krajeva "In the long run we are all dead" :)

 

Pa u slucaju dolara treba gledati pre svega od recimo od 1971. a treba procitati i nesto o istoriji mocnih valuta od Rimljana pa nadalje http://mises.org/daily/3663

Poenta je pre svega razumeti kako su politicki i demografski procesi povezani sa ekonomijom i shodno tome reagovati, planirati i osiguravati se unapred. Recimo, kada je ovde jos 2004./2005. pisano o trendu koji se nastavlja, trebalo je kupovati zlato, srebro, itd. Ako uzmemo u obzir sadasnje ponasanje FED-a i ECB, BoJ kao i Kine, pa najave raznih drzava o visokim porezima - prilicno je jasno da nesigurna vremena dolaze, da treba biti veoma fleksibilan u smislu posla i izabrati relativno sigurno okruzenje sa dugackom tradicijom vladavine prava bez tempiranih demografskih, socijalnih ili duznickih bombi.

 

 
 
:s_w: :hail: :hail: :hail:
 
Pao sam sa stolice :s_w: :thumbs:
 
Batice, samo za tebe:


 
 

 
Samo da ti javim, nemaš pojma, ne uzimaš se za referencu!
 
I to ja kažem na 5 godina! :kece:
 
Nego da mi nastavimo B-)
 

 

 

http://www.glasameri...my/1584395.html

 

 


:kece:

 

Nisam siguran zasto mi se obracas (ili postujes irelevantne clanke o Nemackoj na temi o dolaru ili iz FA od bivseg zamenika americkog ministra finansija) jer na zeleni, provokatorski prostakluk odgovaram IRL ili na forumu iskljucivo kratko, grubo i direktno pa ako postoje neke mazohisticke skonosti (sudeci po infantilnoj poplavi smajlija, postoje) samo izvoli.



#3753 JimmyM

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 10:29

Nisam siguran zasto mi se obracas


Zato što tako hoću batice. :kece:

 

(ili postujes irelevantne clanke o Nemackoj na temi o dolaru ili iz FA od bivseg zamenika americkog ministra finansija)


Ispao si pamtan...al zamalo. B-)

http://www.aktienche...Quartal-4809537

Hebiga, nije ti uspelo.

Propale Baba Vanga su nebitne, kapiraš to. ^_^

 

 

jer na zeleni, provokatorski prostakluk odgovaram IRL ili na forumu iskljucivo kratko, grubo i direktno pa ako postoje neke mazohisticke skonosti (sudeci po infantilnoj poplavi smajlija, postoje) samo izvoli.


Error. B-)

Ne možeš da mi odgovoraš uopšte, jer ti to ne znaš. Treba ti mozak i dubok džep. :s_d:

SrBski. :wub:

 

 

Poenta je pre svega razumeti kako su politicki i demografski procesi povezani sa ekonomijom i shodno tome reagovati, planirati i osiguravati se unapred.


Tačno. :wicked: Pošto izveštaj UN kaže da je broj radno spsoobnih Kineza najveći dostignuti, Kinu čeka najveća demografska promena i smanjivanje radno sposobnog stanovništva, a uvećanje penzionera i socijalnog stanovništva. EU i Japan su pojedeni starenjem stanovništva i negativnim prirodnim priraštajem, tako da samo dalje odatle. 8-) Slažem se.

Nego da nastavimo pametnim stvarima ^_^

 

 

China 2012 FDI suffers first annual fall in 3 years

By Aileen Wang and Koh Gui Qing
updated 1/16/2013 12:28:09 AM ET

BEIJING (Reuters) - China's foreign direct investment inflows fell last year for the first time since the global financial crisis, slipping 4 percent as a troubled world economy curbed investor enthusiasm for deals in emerging markets.


http://www.msnbc.msn...ks_and_economy/

Kako sam ja nešto raspložen danas, sav cvetam, toliko da ću postaviti još nešto da i drugi procvetaju :kece:

 

 

China's brokerages earned less than Goldman last year
SHANGHAI | Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:21pm EST

(Reuters) - China's 114 brokerages earned less than Wall Street bank Goldman Sachs (GS.N) did in 2012, and their combined profit was down 16 percent from a year earlier, industry data showed on Thursday.

China's brokerage industry made a total profit of 32.9 billion yuan ($5.29 billion) last year, according to the Securities Association of China. Goldman Sachs reported $7.48 billion in 2012 earnings on Wednesday.

Chinese brokerages including CITIC Securities Co (600030.SS) and Haitong Securities Co (600837.SS) suffered from a sluggish stock market that hurt trading commission incomes and investment banking fees.

Revenue at Chinese brokerages totaled 129.5 billion yuan, including 50.4 billion yuan in trading commissions and 17.7 billion yuan in underwriting fees, the association said, without giving comparative figures. ($1 = 6.2165 Chinese yuan)



http://www.reuters.c...E90G03420130117

B-)

 


Edited by JimmyM, 17 January 2013 - 10:34.


#3754 Anduril

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 19:50

Hvala sto i dalje uspesno potvrdjujes moje teze o prostakluku, mazohizmu i vaznosti demografije.

 

Mozemo tome dodati i funkcionalnu nepismenost posto tema o kraju dolara kao dominantne rezervne valute ne znaci automatski i dominaciju evra (Nemacke) ili juana (Kine).

 

To je vec tipican nacionalisticki diskurs (Amerika vs. Kina vs. EU vs. Rusija sa srpskom gubernijom) koji si na zalost privatio posto se inace ne bi valjao sa svinjama u blatu.



#3755 JimmyM

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 09:28

o kraju dolara kao dominantne rezervne valute

 

Posted 01 November 2007 - 19:41

 

Batice, je l' ti ovo ozbiljno? :krsta: Da ti nije neko hakovao nalog, pa te prži ovako kulturiška? :huh:

Ja te ovo ozbiljno pitam. :o

 

Mene bi bio blam da posle 5 godina primam direkt. I da još tražim nastavak. :s_d:

Neko te je hakovao, nema druge! B-)

To je vec tipican nacionalisticki diskurs (Amerika vs. Kina vs. EU vs. Rusija sa srpskom gubernijom)

 

Ko je ovde spomenuo Rusiju? :s_w: Haluciniraš nešto, kapiram da haluciniraš ekonomiju, ali ovo izgleda nešto žestoko kod tebe. :thumbs:  

Show si brale. :thumbs:

Nego nebitno, promašio si ponovo, valjam tebe u blatu, a ti ne znaš ni gde si, ni odakle si, ni ko je u taborčetu, a ko izvan. ^_^

Kažem, mišljenje ćorka je nebitno, kad jednom izbaciš ćorak, završavaš karijeru, takva je prirodna selekcija. Pošto si slab iz ekonomije, ovo ti je biologija, valjda ti makar ona ide. -_-

 

Hvala sto i dalje uspesno potvrdjujes moje teze o prostakluku, mazohizmu i vaznosti demografije.



E moram da ti preporučim jednu izvanrednu knjigu:

bukvar1999koriceprednjedv2.jpg

Dakle, potvrdio sam tvoju izgubljenost, neznanje i demografiju. Da bi to video, moraš da prostudiraš ovu divnu knjigu. Imaš i sličice sa strane, u slučaju da zabaguješ kod osnovnih reči. :wub:

Mozemo tome dodati i funkcionalnu nepismenost



E da, kad smo već na temi pismenosti, u srpskom jeziku kao što ne znaš C nije isto što i Ć ili Č, S nije Š, Z nije Ž i slično. Ajde sad da ti ni gramatika ne ide, onda si stvarno izgubljen slučaj. Potrudi se malo, učenje nije teško, ipak razgovaraš sa mnom. B-)


Edited by JimmyM, 18 January 2013 - 09:31.


#3756 Anduril

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 14:40

Toliki post i opet nista osim primitivnog prostakluka.

 

Da li poznajes neki drugi nacin diskusije osim ovog i vec pomenutog, navijackog naci-diskursa kojim trolujes topik?



#3757 xikrk

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:08

Batice, nema ništa od sviranja frule. :kece:

 

Kakvo nevaspitanje i panika, pa ko je ovde pobegao? :kece:

 

Neko drugi hladi usta. ^_^

 

Ja kuliram, dok se vi ko mravi pred kišu gurkate u taborčiće. :heart:

 

Oduvao sam vas, realno.  B-)

 

Nego, je l evro postao nova rezervna valuta, ipak se to ovde najavljivalo, vidim dobili ste ga pravo u usta. :lala:

 

Mislim, ovo je sigurno bila greška:

 

http://www.spiegel.d...o-a-849747.html

 

A Rotšilda, najvećeg poverioca evra nećemo da pitamo,pošto je on krivac za NWO :wub:

 

http://www.infowars....-euro-collapse/

 

Dakle, nekom drugom je panika, vi ste ga izduvali, a ne ja! :kece:

 

Mlaćenje slame ne prolazi. :wub:

 

 

 

Misliš kao što ne radi evro? :lol+:

 

Ček, ček, da obiđemo ovu temu, jesi bio u pravu do sada u nečemu... Noup, hebiga,nisam ti ja kriv što nemate pojma, poziciju dobiješ po delima, ne po ustima. :kece:

 

Btw, Kina svakog dana sve manji suficit sa ostatkom sveta, čak i sa Amerikom, a zakon još nije ni stupio na snagu. :s_w:

 

Nego shebo si se, on tek kreće da radi, izgleda sa još jednim gratis paketom, onako džabakis :kece:

 

http://www.salon.com...ic_partnership/

 

 

 

I Rusi imaju još veći lobi, još od SSSR-a, pa ga duvaju sa $60m. :blush:

 

Džaba batice, kad je kriza, budžet se smanjuje, nema odakle da se poveća. :kece:

 

Ono, stativa. :rant:

 

Nego, kad smo kod toga, još jedno gaženje, ali za razliku od propalih SrBenda, ovaj je od strane još jednog investitora, ovoga puta istog onog koji je tvrdio da je Azija budućnost (Morgan Stanely Investment) :kece: Sad se nešto pronećko. :angry:

 

 

http://www.foreignaf...brics?page=show


 

^_^

 

Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow. :wub:

 

Nego, obožavam Buffeta, drugi najbogatiji čovek sveta, lik rastura čak i Soroša:

 

http://money.cnn.com...oney/index.html

 

U 01:11 tek kida :kece:

 

Nego kad će evro da postane rezervna valuta, koliko čekamo, a evro ode u kolaps, najjače banke ga bacaju u WC šolju :kece:

 

wc-gebruik1.jpg

 

Ocigledno je da si na velikim mukama.

 

http://www.sciencedi...053810010001376

 

http://www.jstor.org...=21101678911207

 

$50 nije mnogo. Moja usluga je besplatna. U velikom si plusu.

Zelim ti ekspresno prevazilazenje adolescencije i vezanih mehanizama, jer razumem da ti je nuzno radi opstanka.

Kad sazres, prihvatices ono sto vec znas da treba da uradis i sa autom i sa ostalim dugovima.

Sve najbolje u ovoj prelepoj godini.



#3758 JimmyM

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 11:21

 

Toliki post i opet nista osim primitivnog prostakluka.

 

Da li poznajes neki drugi nacin diskusije osim ovog i vec pomenutog, navijackog naci-diskursa kojim trolujes topik?

 

 

 

Batice, popij lekić, halucinacije su ti stvarno žestoke. :kece: Brinem se za tebe... al zamalo. ^_^ Jedina osoba koja je ovde spomenula guberniju si ti. Pf, sad JA moram da zaključim da si ti jedini koji ovde vodi nacionalistički diskurs. Ali si toliko smotan da ti ni to ne ide. :huh:


Kapiram da ti smeta prisustvo pametnih ljudi, ali navikni se. Nije teško, videćeš. :s_w:

Poštovanje se zaslužuje, pa ono. B-)  Da se makar razumeš u nešto, pa da kažem bravo, ali ovako, slaba vajda druškane. :angry:

Nego sad malo tekstići:

 

 

China’s alternative GDP index – how low did it go?
Jan 18, 2013 3:02am by Josh Noble


So there it is. China’s economy is no longer slowing down. Growth in the fourth quarter rose to 7.9 per cent. Hard landing avoided. Hurrah.

For those that panicked last summer over the potential for economic apocalypse on the mainland, the fact that growth stayed above 7 per cent for the duration of 2012 might be a little puzzling. But, look at an alternative take on Chinese growth, and those concerns look more justified.

Many people have tried to come up with a different calculation of Chinese growth. Some have even called it the “Li Keqiang index”, after the incoming premier who once described China’s official statistics as “man-made“. Here’s one version of the LKQ index that takes in power production, rail freight and the like, courtesy of Invesco.


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According to this reading, Chinese growth didn’t bottom out at 7.4 per cent in Q3. In fact, it sank to around 3.5 per cent in the middle of last year. Even now, with the economy getting back to relative health (or rather getting back to where we are used to seeing it), this estimate puts the current growth level at around 5.5 per cent.

More evidence can be found in the commodity markets, where prices of China-destined lumps of iron ore and coking coal have rebounded but remain well below the levels of 2010 and 2011. It’s not quite a V-shaped recovery, at least not yet.

Looking a little further down the line, a number of economists caution that Q4 2012 and the first two quarters of this year may be as good as it gets for China. The second half of the year could see old ghosts, like inflation, and some more recent ones, such as collapsing export demand and central government controls on local government spending, take their toll. Nomura’s Zhang Zhiwei forecasts 2013 Q4 growth coming in at 7.2 per cent.

Meanwhile China’s equities market continues its phoenix-like (though rather bumpy) return.

 

 

 

http://blogs.ft.com/.../#axzz2IKbRkv00

Cccc, tako me nešto podseća na osamdesete i SSSR. Pikakano komunisti, pikakano. :wicked:

 

 

 

$50 nije mnogo. Moja usluga je besplatna. U velikom si plusu.

Zelim ti ekspresno prevazilazenje adolescencije i vezanih mehanizama, jer razumem da ti je nuzno radi opstanka.

Kad sazres, prihvatices ono sto vec znas da treba da uradis i sa autom i sa ostalim dugovima.

Sve najbolje u ovoj prelepoj godini.

 

 

Ne bavim se sićama uopšte batice, hebiga. :kece:

 

Dugove nisam video, pa jedno 40 godina sigurno. :wub:

 

Ali tu si zato ti, ako ti zatreba pomoć za osnovnu egzistenciju, pošalji mi molbu (može i u elektronskoj formi, napraviću izuzetak za tebe), pa ću ti možda poslati nešto casha makar za hranu. -_-

 

Da ne bude Jimmy stipsa. B-)


Edited by JimmyM, 19 January 2013 - 11:57.


#3759 JimmyM

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 12:00

-_-

German economy, Europe’s last hope, begins to slump
Berlin, January 16, 2013

German economy, Europe’s last hope, begins to slump. Despite a drumbeat of optimistic forecasts from economists and upbeat statements from various European leaders, the actual news on the economy continues to be grim, with figures released Tuesday showing that Germany, the continent’s flagship economy, contracted by about 0.5% in the final months of last year.

Combined with a flurry of disappointing results in other major economies, the stumble raised questions about Europe’s ability to escape recession.

Portugal’s central bank cut its economic forecast for the year on Tuesday, saying its economy will contract more steeply than expected. France said it was likely to miss its target for narrowing the budget deficit, raising the prospects of deeper spending cuts and additional taxes. Last month, Britain said its austerity budgets would extend three extra years, to 2018, because of weaker than expected growth.

“This idea that Germany is a powerhouse dragging the rest of Europe along with it is a bit of a myth to be honest,” said Philip Whyte, a senior research fellow at the Centre for European Reform in London. “You have a very weak periphery and a core which is not as strong as everyone seems to believe.”

Throughout the debt crisis, Germany has managed to float above the bad news, enjoying record employment, rock-bottom borrowing costs and export-led growth that kept chugging, in spite of the cloud hanging over the euro zone. But its European partners are also among its biggest customers, leaving it vulnerable to the continent-wide slowdown exacerbated by the very austerity policies of Chancellor Angela Merkel.

“The longer the euro crisis lasts, the more difficult the situation becomes for Germany,” said Stefan Kooths, an economist at the Kiel Institute for the World Economy. “Germany is not a Teflon economy.”

The German government is scheduled to release its report on the economy on Wednesday, and it will forecast growth in 2013 of 0.5%, the newspaper Handelsblatt reported. In the euro zone as a whole, which is in recession with record unemployment, any growth is considered positive. But most forecasts are based on the assumption that financial markets will remain calm. If anything shakes investor confidence, like political turmoil in Italy or Greece, the weak growth rate means Germany would not have much cushion against recession.

France will probably miss its deficit reduction target for 2012, according to preliminary data released Tuesday by the French government. Officials in Paris aimed for a deficit of 4.5% of gross domestic product, but data for November suggests the shortfall will be 4.8%, ING Bank estimated.

That means President Francois Hollande would have to find an additional $6.65 billion in revenue to meet the 2013 budget target, and France could face another credit rating downgrade. The data also shows the challenge of keeping France’s overall debt level from rising above its current level of more than 90% of GDP.

By contrast, Germany’s public finances are robust. Federal, state and local governments recorded a surplus for the year equal to 0.1% of GDP, the first government surplus since 2007. That creates leeway for Merkel to stimulate the economy with public spending if the downturn is worse than expected.

Despite the contraction in the fourth quarter, a compilation of annual economic data by the statistical office showed that the German economy is in fundamentally good shape. Exports rose 4.1% during the year, and 41.6 million people were employed — a record high and the sixth annual increase in a row.

And Jorg Kramer, chief economist at Commerzbank in Frankfurt, said in a note to clients that he expected the German economy to expand again in the first half of the year.

Still, Whyte, of the Center for European Reform, said that while he was more optimistic than at this time last year, “we’re still not out of the woods.”

 
http://www.hindustan...le1-990785.aspx

I divna slika uz to :wub:
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^_^


Edited by JimmyM, 19 January 2013 - 12:01.


#3760 Anduril

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 13:25


Kapiram da ti smeta prisustvo pametnih ljudi, ali navikni se. Nije teško, videćeš. :s_w:

 

Naprotiv, svakoj civilizovanoj i normalnoj osobi smeta tvoje prostacko trolovanje i flejmovanje a dugorocno tolerisanje takvog ponasanja i jeste jedan od razloga zbog cega je uostalom ovaj (pod-) forum na samrti.

 

Ozbiljni ljudi nemaju vremena a ni volje za primitivna prepucavanja.

 

U svakom uredjenom drustvu ili organizaciji koja se pridrzava osnovnih pravila se to resava efikasnim i brzim odstranjivanjem.



#3761 JimmyM

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 11:35

Naprotiv, svakoj civilizovanoj i normalnoj osobi smeta tvoje prostacko trolovanje i flejmovanje

 

Uh, dobro je, znači tebi sigurno odgovaram. ^_^

Što sam srećan, prosto skakućem. :s_w:

 

U svakom uredjenom drustvu ili organizaciji koja se pridrzava osnovnih pravila se to resava efikasnim i brzim odstranjivanjem.

 

Batice, ako ti je to jedini način da cenzurišeš svoju neuspešnu temu, onda moram da te razočaram - sa mnom to ne prolazi, svaki put dobijam još veću želju da se javim, pa ono. B-)  Nisam ja drugar iz srBske kobasijade na kakve si navikao, nikakvo izvlačenje ti neće pomoći kod mene. :wub:

 

a dugorocno tolerisanje takvog ponasanja i jeste jedan od razloga zbog cega je uostalom ovaj (pod-) forum na samrti.

 

Wow. :blink:

 

Doduše, ponovo si izhalucinirao, ali nema veze, bitno da vidiš makar nešto kroz tu magluštinu. :rant:

 

Aham, prazan je, vidim, baš mi bilo čudno kad sam došao, nigde nikog, i onda sam došao do zaključka -  pust je ko Sahara, jer si ih ti sa tvojom jednoumnom šikanerijom oterao. :o

Pa pikakano, Anduril. :furious:
 

E sad, problem ti je što mene ne možeš, pa izmišljaš neke diskursije, gubernije, haluciniraš događaje i tako to. ^_^  Kapiram ja tebe, balkanski sindrom, ovo ono, ali kod mene te fore ne pale, kao što vidiš. :heart:

Nego sad malo tekstića B-)

 

China economic growth worst in over a decade
Despite low annual-expansion rate, final three months showed upturn in a positive sign for spluttering global recovery.
18 Jan 2013 07:35

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The Chinese economy expanded 7.8 percent in 2012, the government has said, the worst performance in 13 years, in the face of weakness at home and in key overseas markets.

But gross domestic product (GDP) grew 7.9 percent in the final three months of the year, the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) said, as it snapped seven straight quarters of slowing growth in a positive sign for the spluttering global recovery.

China's GDP reached $8.28 trillion in 2012, cementing its position as the world's second-largest economy after the US.

Annual growth slowed for a second straight year but the figures were just ahead of expectations, with economists surveyed by the AFP news agency having projected GDP growth of 7.7 percent in 2012, and 7.8 percent in the fourth quarter.

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http://www.aljazeera...3244143303.html

 

^_^


Edited by JimmyM, 21 January 2013 - 11:43.


#3762 bojant

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 14:45

Nego sad malo tekstića B-)

http://www.aljazeera...3244143303.html

 

^_^

sta je problem sa ovim, sasvim je logicno da se rast od 10% ne moze odrzati zauvek i sto se vise budu priblizavali razvijenom redu zemalja rast ce da se smanjuje. Ovih 7-8 posto je i dalje odlicno



#3763 JimmyM

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Posted 22 January 2013 - 12:38

sta je problem sa ovim, sasvim je logicno da se rast od 10% ne moze odrzati zauvek i sto se vise budu priblizavali razvijenom redu zemalja rast ce da se smanjuje.

 

 

Tako je :kece:

 

Lepo to Jimmy reče, ali dobro neki ljudi to ne mogu da skapiraju, pa se za to vreme gurkaju po taborčićima, zanimljivije im je i bolje razumeju materiju. :wub:

 

Nije lova za svakoga. ^_^

 

E kad bi svi bili k'o Jimmy. -_-

 

Ali da, to znači sudbina Japana pod uslovom da usput ne eksplodira i takvo balonče, što sad nije poželjno da se dogodi, mislim ne zbog njih, već zbog sveta, a i nekih mojih investicijica, jelte. ^_^

 

Ovih 7-8 posto je i dalje odlicno

 

Za razvijene zemlje jeste, ali za Kinu nije, za njih je to usporenje koje im se ne dopada.  :blush:

 

Za neke 2 godine rast će spasti na 5%-6% per year, pa će onda on biti "dovoljan", za četiri godinice na 3%-4% per year i tako dalje. -_-

 

Nego kad smo kod te teme, još jedan divan video :heart:

 

Bloomberg: Chinese Exporters Fabricating Transactions


http://www.bloomberg...kCQyEzd4lw.html

 

Kažem ja, SSSR fore su uvek bile do j. :thumbs:

 

Zloćkaste doduše, ali skidam kapu za originalnost. :wub:

 

Mada nam je Kina ovo copy-paste, ali dobro, ko pa gleda copyright, fora i dalje neprikosnoveno kida. :s_w:


Edited by JimmyM, 22 January 2013 - 17:30.


#3764 JimmyM

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 14:20

 

Jim Rogers : The Euro will collapse after the German election in 2013

Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Out of Europe you are going to see currency turmoil, interest rates going to the roof, bonds defaulting, bankruptcy, it is not going to be a lot of fun it might lead to an ultimate solution, there is nothing like a crisis to cause people to address issues, but often when they have the crisis the politicians look for the easy way instead of the right way and they just make it worse down the road.

 

 

http://www.youtube.c...gnldrCHE#t=174s
 

:o

 

Bad things will happen! Very bad! :mellow:


Edited by JimmyM, 23 January 2013 - 14:20.


#3765 bojant

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Posted 23 January 2013 - 14:38

http://www.youtube.c...gnldrCHE#t=174s
 

:o

 

Bad things will happen! Very bad! :mellow:

Jim Rogers isto tvrdi vec godinama za dolar i stalno poziva na ulaganja u kini

 

sto citiras uopste ovog doomsday prognosticara