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[iDemo]

THE PRIME MINISTER THE HON JOHN HOWARD MP JOINT PRESS CONFERENCE WITH NEW SOUTH WALES PREMIER MORRIS IEMMA, VICTORIAN PREMIER STEVE BRACKS, SOUTH AUSTRALIAN PREMIER MIKE RANN AND ACTING QUEENSLAND PREMIER ANNA BLIGH,PARLIAMENT HOUSE, CANBERRA

I should say that we were told at the meeting by the Murray-Darling Commissioner that we now face, not a one in 100 year drought, but a one in 1000 year drought. So we’re into unchartered territory in that respect. So that was a very critical point made today, that the Commission now believes that this is a one in 1000 year drought. Now that means that we all have to work together.

Tip ne samo sto citira sasvim nepouzdane izjave nekakvog komesara nego jos (povrh toga) mesha "unchartered" i "uncharted", onako bez vadjenja...

Inace, radi se o dve (uzastopne) vrlo sushne godine.


Doktore, da li cemo zaista morati da pijemo (samo) vino?????

[Rostokovsky]

kuvacete vi flase za vodu

[iDemo]

[vasudeva418]

Ово је велика шанса за српски извоз и промоцију домаћих брендова као што је Вода Вода и Књаз Милош на тржишту далеке Аустралије у којој се већ одавно продају наши кајмаци, ракије и касете са музиком из Гуче.

[balu]

Sve ce to trziste pozlati, odnosno resiti. Kakva pomoc farmerima, kakva intervencija drzave. Pustiti ih da pocrkaju, najjaci ce da prezive. Naravno malo se surovo salim. Procitah skorasnju BBC vest, o povecanom broju samoubistava australijskih farmera (dvostruko veci procenat u odnosu na ostatak pucanstva), pa dobih ideju za crni humor. Greh na moju dusu, jer njima mucenicima je svega dosta.

Pomoc koju obecava drzava je samo jednokratna, a susa moze i da potraje. Prema nekim izvorima pocela je jos 2002, a sada je dostigla kulminaciju. Mnogo veca pomoc bi bila da se federalna i ostale drzave ucipe i u kriticnim podrucjima naprave postrojenja za desalinizaciju. To cak mogu da budu i nuklearna postrojenja. Tokom eksploatacije ekoloski najprihvatljivija. Mogu cak da prave i nesto struje za potrosace, a vodu da prodaju po ceni kostanja (bez profita). I tako bi verovatno bila poprilicno skupa ali bi je bar imalo.

Takodje bi drzava trebala da ulozi i u posumljavanje. Barem da se uspori pretvaranje plodne zemlja u pustaru. Ono sto su robijasi iskrcili sada malo da se ozeleni. A mogli bi i da ratifikuju Kjoto protokol, reda radi. Medjutim dogod fridom&dimokrasi ne ratifikuje sve je to pusenje (f&d sam pravi vise od cetvrtine tih raznoraznih nepozeljnih plinova).

U svakom slucaju, sa globalnim zagrevanjem i promenom klime, Australiji se ne pise dobro. Zato blago meni vi Oziji i Majtovi gledajte da sto pre dodjete ovamo u bjutiful BC, buducu Azurnu obalu. Kao podanicima britanske krune dovoljna vam je clanska karta gradske biblioteke. Karta biblioteke koju je imao Radovan III ne vazi.

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[iDemo]

Ma pusti, to se sve razmazilo. Naviklo da 'przi' vodu k'o da je ista dzabe. Kad ono - posle kishe doshla susha... Cudo. K'o onomad kad je u Beogradu pao sneg u decembru. "Iznenadio graCki prevoz"...

[Rostokovsky]

jel neki pametan Srbin patentirao kuvanje flasa?

[iDemo]

Jeste, Janez s Pohorja.

[Indy]

Nedavno uradjeni (Judith Crockett) 'agrosocioloski' PhD na temu uticaja suse i prikljucenija na zivote farmera... spas je, naravno, u Isusu.

In the midst of the drought, research has shown that farm families hold Christian religion as extremely important - with impacts on farming families, their lifestyle and their management practices.

“Surprisingly, everybody from the local vet to the agribusiness agent, mentioned the communities where religion is important,” Ms Crockett said.

Yet despite Christianity’s strength and importance in some communities, it is entirely absent in others - creating a distinctive cultural pattern.

“My research has shown these distinctive farming cultures are under threat,” she said.

“Families are doing whatever it takes to stay in farming, and thereby changing their lifestyles,” she said.

Crockett’s research examined the traditional cornerstones of farming culture undergoing rapid change - family continuity of the farm, community involvement, religion, independence and patriarchal attitudes.

“The most glaring cultural change was the farmers’ belief in the importance of their independence and control over their own farms,” Crockett said.

“It is an illusion. Farmers actually confessed to feeling a ‘loss of control’ over their farm, to the ‘environmentalists’ and ‘economic rationalists’ who shape globalisation and political agendas.”

As a result, farming styles and strategies are selected to satisfy the need for productivity, sustainability and to conform to government regulations, which are not necessarily the farmers preferred choices.

[iDemo]

Mozda nije bash Isus al' je neki Bog svakako u pitanju. Samo su to odavno pronashli i dokumentovali pa niko niti slusha niti gleda...

Oriental Despotism: A Comparative Study of Total Power (Paperback)
by Karl A. Wittfogel

Publisher: Yale Univ Pr (January 1, 1967)
ISBN: 0300010540

During an argument about California's water policies, I hear a Sierra Club representative pronounce that all irrigation-based societies were short-lived. Wittfogel shows just the opposite: at least in pre-industrial societies, cultures that can organize reliable agricultural irrigation schemes have been remarkably stable, productive, and powerful. The downside is that the conditions encourage rigid and despotic social forms. Book is weakest trying to make a case that Soviet Communism was a cultural descendent of Babylon (although Marx thought so too). The Germanic "Big Thought" style is stimulating for most of the book but gets a little heavy-handed in spots when it drifts away from hard facts. You don't have to read the whole thing to get the idea. It has a lot to say about the interplay of culture and environment.

Nego, cujem da ovi sa high-security (vinogradi, juzno voce i to) nece imati nikakvu restrikciju (valjda ni teoretski ne mogu da imaju)??? Jel' istina??

[Indy]

Za 'high security' vodu se i placa ekstra da bi bila sigurna (nedavno je poskupela 300% u nekim oblastima). Naravno, nista nije sigurno, pa ni alokacije "visoko sigurne vode". Ako ne pocne da pada s neba (voda), mislim da cemo to sigurno videti 2007. Ako se ovako nastavi, voda od navodnjavanja ce se verovatno preusmeriti u gradove...



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Veliki problem sa svim ovim "katastroficarskim"* pricama o promeni klime i susi, kao i generalno Malthusianskim scenarijima (tako milim baluovom srcu), je cinjenica da se trenutno zaista nalazimo u toplijem i susnom periodu. Ovo zvuci kao glupo zapazanje - ako se nema u vidu da opseg od nekoliko godina ne cini klimu, niti da su visegodisnje suse ista neuobicajeno.

Ovo je barem 10-ti veliki "dry spell" u Australiji otkad su belci dosli, bilo je i onih sa gorim posledicama svojevremeno. Plus toga nam se vec po drugi put u kratkom periodu nakacio ovaj vraziji El Nino.

Razmisljanje u ovakvim okolnostima je veoma pristrasno, i funkcionise po principu "Chicken Little" (kako je to neko nazvao): ako ja kazem da ce "nebo pasti", onda nema vremena da se primeni rigorozni naucni pristup; jer dok se isti primeni, "nebo ce pasti". Pravi circulus vitiosus, zar ne.



* - ovom nije za cilj da kaze da promene klime nema, vec da je o tome malo trezvenog i nepristrasnog razmisljanja, posebno u mass medijima (cast izuzecima).

Edited by Indy, 10 November 2006 - 06:10.

[Indy]

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Edited by Indy, 10 November 2006 - 14:29.

[visnja]

Evo sta CIA kaze za Australiju:

Natural hazards:
cyclones along the coast; severe droughts; forest fires

Environment - current issues:
soil erosion from overgrazing, industrial development, urbanization, and poor farming practices; soil salinity rising due to the use of poor quality water; desertification; clearing for agricultural purposes threatens the natural habitat of many unique animal and plant species; the Great Barrier Reef off the northeast coast, the largest coral reef in the world, is threatened by increased shipping and its popularity as a tourist site; limited natural fresh water resources

Kao sto vdite O3HA sve dozna.

Bre Sir Indy sto ne naucis te tvoje seljake kako se "environmentaly friendly" obradjuje zemlja. A u vezi mog maltuzijanstva, ostajem pri tome da treba koristiti kondome. Jednoglasno sam odlucio da Zemlja vise od 6.000.000.000 dusa ne moze i nece da trpi, a vec nas ima vise. Znaci, tropa smo.

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Edited by visnja, 11 November 2006 - 05:03.

[Indy]

Sta je bilo, opet si izgubio password za balua

Gde bre 6 mlrd, mnogo je. 2-3, puna kapa.

Sta ja da ucim farmere, pa jel' si video gore onaj tekst, oni se uzdaju u Isusa i nebesa. Inace, nisam znao da verujes Ciji, snajka, ciji.

[balu]

Sta je bilo, opet si izgubio password za balua

Gde bre 6 mlrd, mnogo je. 2-3, puna kapa.

Sta ja da ucim farmere, pa jel' si video gore onaj tekst, oni se uzdaju u Isusa i nebesa. Inace, nisam znao da verujes Ciji, snajka, ciji.

Jok ja, nisam izgbio, nego da povecam broj ucesnika u diskusiji.

Znaci ti si veci maltuzijanac od mene. Po tebi smo odavno tropa.

Kazi seljacima da si Dzizasov reprezentativ za Australiju i da moraju da te slusaju. A Ciji verujem kada mi odgovara (slicno kao Bus Jr.). Uostalom ti si on the face of the place pa kazi gde je Cija omanula vezano za vas Ozije&Majtove.

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