Nacrt zakona o reproduktivnom materijalu šumskog drveća
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Član 13.
Upisaće se u registar genetski modifikovan polazni materijal, odnosno staviti u promet reproduktivni materijal genetski modifikovanih organizama, za koje nadležni organ utvrdi da ne predstavlja opasnost za zdravlje ljudi i životnu sredinu.
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jel treba da se zabrinem?
GM - Bez panike
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, Jun 05 2006 00:04
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 00:35
QUOTE(Indy @ 5 Jun 2006, 01:32)
"Nikad nemoj da uradis nista po prvi put".
ne, ali gledaj da ti ne bude poslednji...
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 00:40
Ако читаш друга револуционара на теми о Еволуцији, видећеш (оно што сваки биолог зна) да је тзв. "хоризонтална трансмисија гена" постојала од кад је живота на планети, штавише да је неизоставни део еволуције. Дакле, генетска модификација није чак ни неприродна.
Свет у коме би људи били задовољни са status quo-м би, међутим, био нешто за озбиљну бригу. Барем за мене. Колико ја видим, поправке су потребне на све стране, посебно када је наша врста у питању.
Свет у коме би људи били задовољни са status quo-м би, међутим, био нешто за озбиљну бригу. Барем за мене. Колико ја видим, поправке су потребне на све стране, посебно када је наша врста у питању.
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 00:58
QUOTE(Indy @ 5 Jun 2006, 01:40)
Ако читаш друга револуционара на теми о Еволуцији, видећеш (оно што сваки биолог зна) да је тзв. "хоризонтална трансмисија гена" постојала од кад је живота на планети, штавише да је неизоставни део еволуције. Дакле, генетска модификација није чак ни неприродна.
Свет у коме би људи били задовољни са status quo-м би, међутим, био нешто за озбиљну бригу. Барем за мене. Колико ја видим, поправке су потребне на све стране, посебно када је наша врста у питању.
Свет у коме би људи били задовољни са status quo-м би, међутим, био нешто за озбиљну бригу. Барем за мене. Колико ја видим, поправке су потребне на све стране, посебно када је наша врста у питању.
ne čitam, izvini, i nisam biolog
ne interesuje me opravdanje nauke za popravke prirode da bi bila produktivnija
zanima me nadležni organ u srbiji (iz citiranog člana nacrta zakona) koji je sposoban da utvrdi da li je gm štetan po zdravlje i okolinu
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 01:00
Да, продуктивност је чисто тако небитна. 
Немам ја шта да разговарам са онима који мисле да парадајз расте у самопослузи.
Немам ја шта да разговарам са онима који мисле да парадајз расте у самопослузи.
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 01:11
QUOTE(Indy @ 5 Jun 2006, 02:00)
Да, продуктивност је чисто тако небитна.
Немам ја шта да разговарам са онима који мисле да парадајз расте у самопослузи.
Немам ја шта да разговарам са онима који мисле да парадајз расте у самопослузи.
pro-gm nauka upravo sanja jutro kada će u samoposluzi nići paradajz
nezajažljivi povećavaju tuđu produktivnost, ne svoju sopstvenu
a o posledicama samo nagađaju
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 01:27
QUOTE(Mioba @ 5 Jun 2006, 10:11)
pro-gm nauka upravo sanja jutro kada će u samoposluzi nići paradajz
nezajažljivi povećavaju tuđu produktivnost, ne svoju sopstvenu
a o posledicama samo nagađaju
Живи били незајажљивци, због њих овај свет иде напред.
А о последицама сваке своје активности ионако само можемо да нагађамо. Хајде онда да не радимо ништа. Немој ни да се купамо, јер постоји прилична шанса да се оклизнемо и сломијемо врат. О седању у ауто, у којима се бобоси попут тебе ипак радо возе, да не причам. Куд и камо ризичније од "незајажљивог повећавања продуктивности".
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 01:49
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The heart of the [Precautionary] Principle, of course, is the admonition that "precautionary measures should be taken even if some cause-and-effect relationships are not fully established scientifically." As one biomedical researcher in the audience objected, all scientific conclusions are subject to revision, and none is ever "fully established." Since that is the case, the researcher pointed out, the Precautionary Principle could logically apply to every conceivable activity, since their outcomes are always in some sense uncertain. Furthermore, David Murray, the director of the Statistical Assessment Service in Washington D.C., points out another possible--and disquieting--interpretation of the Principle. Anyone who merely raises "threats of harm" with no more evidence than their fearful imagination gets to invoke precautionary measures. Precautionists would not need to establish any empirical basis for their fears; they may simply posit that something might go wrong and thus stymie any proposed action.
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[Remove] the decisions about resources from the political process entirely. Politics is always win/lose, while market decisions are generally win/win
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Precautionary Tale, REASON * April 1999
The heart of the [Precautionary] Principle, of course, is the admonition that "precautionary measures should be taken even if some cause-and-effect relationships are not fully established scientifically." As one biomedical researcher in the audience objected, all scientific conclusions are subject to revision, and none is ever "fully established." Since that is the case, the researcher pointed out, the Precautionary Principle could logically apply to every conceivable activity, since their outcomes are always in some sense uncertain. Furthermore, David Murray, the director of the Statistical Assessment Service in Washington D.C., points out another possible--and disquieting--interpretation of the Principle. Anyone who merely raises "threats of harm" with no more evidence than their fearful imagination gets to invoke precautionary measures. Precautionists would not need to establish any empirical basis for their fears; they may simply posit that something might go wrong and thus stymie any proposed action.
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[Remove] the decisions about resources from the political process entirely. Politics is always win/lose, while market decisions are generally win/win
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Precautionary Tale, REASON * April 1999
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 02:07
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Recent advances in plant biotechnology have produced a stunning array of seemingly hardier plants, growing in more climates and producing more and better fruits. Some view this second generation of modified crops as a bountiful blessing, but others see it as a disguised curse. Some fear hidden dangers to those who consume the recombinant crops, whereas others worry about damage to the environment, including potential compromises of biodiversity. Similar concerns must have been raised generations ago when the first hybrid grains and chemical fertilizers were introduced. In recent years the furor over genetically modified foods in the marketplace has been particularly keen in Great Britain and other nations of the European Union, with ripples in the U.S. and other parts of Europe.
Public acceptance of genetically modified foodstuffs might be expected to be sluggish as long as the benefits of genetic engineering were enjoyed mainly by the producers rather than the consumers. Food prices in the developed world were already low enough that consumers had no real reason to care whether a particular crop was easier or cheaper to grow. Now that more of the benefits of genetic modification—improved taste, longer shelf life, and enhanced health benefits—are oriented directly toward the consumer, however, the public may prove more receptive.
Judith L. Fridovich-Keil
"Life Sciences." Encyclopædia Britannica. 2006. Encyclopædia Britannica Online. 5 June 2006 <http://search.eb.com...rticle-213820>.
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Recent advances in plant biotechnology have produced a stunning array of seemingly hardier plants, growing in more climates and producing more and better fruits. Some view this second generation of modified crops as a bountiful blessing, but others see it as a disguised curse. Some fear hidden dangers to those who consume the recombinant crops, whereas others worry about damage to the environment, including potential compromises of biodiversity. Similar concerns must have been raised generations ago when the first hybrid grains and chemical fertilizers were introduced. In recent years the furor over genetically modified foods in the marketplace has been particularly keen in Great Britain and other nations of the European Union, with ripples in the U.S. and other parts of Europe.
Public acceptance of genetically modified foodstuffs might be expected to be sluggish as long as the benefits of genetic engineering were enjoyed mainly by the producers rather than the consumers. Food prices in the developed world were already low enough that consumers had no real reason to care whether a particular crop was easier or cheaper to grow. Now that more of the benefits of genetic modification—improved taste, longer shelf life, and enhanced health benefits—are oriented directly toward the consumer, however, the public may prove more receptive.
Judith L. Fridovich-Keil
"Life Sciences." Encyclopædia Britannica. 2006. Encyclopædia Britannica Online. 5 June 2006 <http://search.eb.com...rticle-213820>.
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 03:27
Zena hoce da kaze da nema nista sto ce da odgovorne firme naprave losose koji svetlucaju (da bi se bolje pecali na potoku i izgledali atraktivnije) al' da misli da nije zgodno da i njen suprug, kad se sa pecanja vrati i pojede ulov, pocne nocu da svetluca.
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 03:40
Може и она сама да каже шта хоће да каже, а ја мислим да сам то и сасвим добро разумео. Она је само једна из плејаде многих који мисле да о ресурсима треба да одлучује политика, а не они који од њих живе (и који су власници истих).
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 04:18
QUOTE(iDemo @ 5 Jun 2006, 13:16)
Ma da, demokratija je cudo...
Ако мислиш да ћу да се трудим да разберем шта твоје телеграфске, да не кажем телепатске, поруке имају значити, онда се вараш. Ако, пак, причаш са самим собом, или неком својом замишљеном публиком, онда нећу да сметам.
