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#16 GoranBG

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Posted 01 September 2005 - 23:01

stvarno je jako, :huh: njih kad potkachi stvarno ih potkachi :lol:

Edited by GoranBG, 02 September 2005 - 17:26.


#17 GoranBG

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Posted 01 September 2005 - 23:06

cccc

Edited by GoranBG, 02 September 2005 - 17:27.


#18 Rostokovsky

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 00:21

vec se govorka po kuloarima, no to su ipak samo glasine, da New Orleans treba potpuno ostaviti na miru, pod vodom i praviti novi grad na drugom mestu.
videcemo sta ce biti, dole je veliko sranje, oruzane carke sa gardom, mrtvi plivaju, nema struje, vode, moguce su epidemije...
ko je gledao southern comfort zna.
nestao Fats Domino...

Edited by 3opge, 02 September 2005 - 00:22.


#19 HESKEY

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 06:20

Ovako ce nestati svet. Svi cemo se jednog dana podaviti ili ce srce prestati da kuca u mesecu avgustu 2xxx., kada ce temperature ici od -20 do +50 :lol:)))

#20 dddejan

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 10:30

kakvi debili, sad gledam haos u NO. svi su jednaki, samo su neki jednakiji. ajmo evakuacija, lepo poredjajte se, crnci na kraj reda... samo su bre crnci ostali. kako bi se najebao majke onom bushu.

#21 TBoneSteak

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 11:08

kakvi debili, sad gledam haos u NO. svi su jednaki, samo su neki jednakiji. ajmo evakuacija, lepo poredjajte se, crnci na kraj reda... samo su bre crnci ostali. kako bi se najebao majke onom bushu.

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fo shizzle my white nigga nizzle! :lol:

#22 Amelija

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 11:25

Fats Domino je spasen :lol:

A sve vesti odande kompletno su grozne. Ne znam da li se vise jezim zbog moci i sile prirode koja uspe da napravi sve to ili zbog divljastva koje trenutno tamo vlada (pucnjave, pljacke, itd).

#23 dare...

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 12:14

A ja se smejao kletvama Milića od Mačve... :lol:

#24 Kuvar

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 13:45

Čitam komentare povodom nesreće u Nju Orleansu na diskusiji politika serbian cafea i ne mogu da shvatim da se ljudi raduju tuđoj nesreći, sve u fazonu kao da su oni nešto sad pobedili i kao kazna boga i ostale gluposti.....

Jebiga, sve je to posledica četiri sramno izgubljena rata.

#25 quasar

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 13:57

> zbog divljastva koje trenutno tamo vlada (pucnjave, pljacke, itd).

i ja se jezim zbog toga, ali nisam nimalo iznenadjen ili zacudjen. u usa je vrlo lako doci do oruzija i pod normalnim uslovima, a i psiholoski prag za potezanje istog je drugaciji nego npr u evropi. sve to jos kombinovano i sa - kako sada vidimo - pogresnom raspodelom novca i resursa: mnogo za naoruzanje & rat, malo za sigurnost stanovnistva, ekologiju itd. problem sa branama u NO je odavno poznat, kao i pretnja od ovakve katastrofe, a 750 miliona dolara za ucvrscavanje brana nisu odobreni od administracije (dok se u isto vreme astronomske sume bacaju za naoruzanje i sirenje demokratije ratom). po meni, ovo je prilika kada ce se videti kako jedno drustvo bazirano na politickom programu samoinicijative i sto manjem uplitanju drzave u bilo sta moze da izadje na kraj sa prirodnom katastrofom ovih razmera. takodje, u ovim uslovima se itekako dobro vidi duboka podeljenost americkog drustva, u smislu onih koji nesto imaju & znace i onih koji nisu preterano bitni i koji, ocigledno, moraju da moljakaju i za zastitu od elementarnih nepogoda (za ovu katastrofu se znalo najmanje nedelju dana unapred), a sve to u zemlji koja sasvim sigurno ima vise novcanih, tehnoloskih i inih resursa od bilo koga drugog na ovoj planeti. "third world, usa" - jedan od noviniskih naslova koji je dobro opisao trenutnu situaciju.

Edited by quasar, 02 September 2005 - 13:59.


#26 Amelija

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 14:03

> zbog divljastva koje trenutno tamo vlada (pucnjave, pljacke, itd).

i ja se jezim zbog toga, ali nisam nimalo iznenadjen ili zacudjen.

Ja se bogami jesam i iznenadila. Ono znam da u USA postoji ajd da kazem specificni odnos prema oruzju, znam i da su podele u okviru drustva dosta velike i sve to, al nekako ipak :lol:

#27 quasar

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 14:10

ma daj, molim te, pa u usa generalno u bilo kakvim frcnim situacijama dolazi do pucnjave posto svaka susa ima pistolj u kuci, a o necemu poput ovoga gde se ljudi bore za opstanak i gde su prepusteni sami sebi i da ne pricamo... elem, nadajmo se da ce neko u usa pokusati nakon svega da sabere "lessons learned", iako sam ja po tom pitanju pesimista.

Edited by quasar, 02 September 2005 - 14:10.


#28 Rostokovsky

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 14:20

PRAVO IMA KATRINE JE GLOBALNO ZAGREVANJE

* Ross Gelbspan, special projects editor of The Boston Globe. He conceived, directed and edited a series of articles that won a Pulitzer Prize in 1984. He is author of "The Heat is On: The High Stakes Battle Over Earth's Threatened Climate" and "Boiling Point: How Politicians, Big Oil and Coal, Journalists, and Activists are Fueling the Climate Crisis -- and What We Can Do to Avert Disaster."

RUSH TRANSCRIPT
AMY GOODMAN: Ross Gelbspan joins us now from a studio in Boston. As Special Projects Editor of the Boston Globe, he conceived, directed and edited a series of articles that won a Pulitzer Prize. He is author of The Heat Is On: The High Stakes Battle Over Earth's Threatened Climate. Welcome to Democracy Now!, Ross Gelbspan.

ROSS GELBSPAN: Hi, Amy. How are you?

AMY GOODMAN: Very good. Well, talk about what you are seeing as the connections right now?

ROSS GELBSPAN: It's very clear that global warming does not make more hurricanes, but it makes hurricanes much stronger. And that's because hurricanes take their energy from the temperature of surface waters. In the case of Katrina, it started as a category one, I think 70 mile-an-hour winds when it glanced off South Florida, but as it moved through the Gulf where surface temperatures are about 80 degrees, it became enormously more powerful. I think the winds reached about 170 degrees, and that is a big reason for this incredible devastation that we have been seeing. It's very interesting that also Sir David King, who is Tony Blair's science adviser, made a direct link between hurricane intensity and global warming, and coincidentally, there was a piece of research done by Dr. Kerry Emmanuel at M.I.T. that came out just a couple of weeks ago that found that tropical storms had become 50% more severe in the last 30 years, again because of rising temperatures.


JUAN GONZALEZ: How do you respond, obviously, to all of the so-called experts who may say, well, it may -- it's true that there's global warming, but how can you pin a particular hurricane's impact or intensity to that general trend? It's almost – it seems to me like, well, you may have been exposed to asbestos, but how can you prove that the lung cancer you have came from that exposure?

ROSS GELBSPAN: Because we are seeing this increase in intensity all over the place. July was, I think, the second hottest July on record, and it triggered a record number of named tropical storms. So, Hurricane Katrina fits right into the pattern here of what we're seeing. And just to stop for a second, if we look at some other events that have been happening the same year, not necessarily hurricanes, but we had a two-foot snowfall in Los Angeles in January. We had 37 inches of rain in one day in Mumbai, India. We had this horrendous heat wave with 120 degrees in Arizona. We have the Missouri River just about empty because of a prolonged drought. All of these, including the intensity of hurricanes, are signatures of the warming of the planet.

AMY GOODMAN: I wanted to get your response, Ross Gelbspan, to the latest move of the Bush administration, cutting clean air regulations in this time of massive crisis. Can you talk about what's happening there?

ROSS GELBSPAN: Yeah. Amy, I think it's best understood if you step back and think that the science -- in order to mitigate global warming, the science is very clear. We have to cut our emissions worldwide by 70%, and that threatens the survival of the coal and oil industry. We need a rapid global transition to clean energy. Unfortunately, the White House, under the Bush administration, has become the East Coast branch of ExxonMobil and Peabody Coal. And those companies and those industries are really calling all of the shots for climate and energy policy in this White House. So, the regulations that you are talking about are very weak, and they're essentially being written by the lobbyists from big oil and big coal. And that's really what we're seeing in the bush administration.

AMY GOODMAN: Now, in response to what has taken place, the cutting of the restrictions. They're saying now it's only until September 15, but on clean air regulations, so they say it's to deal with the shortage of oil.

ROSS GELBSPAN: I can understand that, and I'm sympathetic to that. The explanation I heard is that different states have different requirements for different kind of mixes of gasoline. Some require a component of ethanol and so forth. Because of the shortage, because of the damage to the refineries and the rigs, they're saying suspend those regs for another month or two. Let us just get whatever gasoline out we can, and then we'll go back to these mandated formulas when we're able to do that. So, I'm not unsympathetic to that, if it remains a temporary suspension.

JUAN GONZALEZ: And your response to the growing drumbeat in much of the media now of the commercial or corporate media preparing the American public for increased oil prices as a result of the situation in the Gulf right now in the hurricane aftermath?

ROSS GELBSPAN: I think that you're seeing some gouging going on. I think you are definitely going to see these prices going up. This also is taking place against the background of a larger trend toward depletion of oil, and we're passing what's called peek oil globally, which means we’re going to see a very rapid decline in oil supplies. So the emphasis may be short term on the increased price of gasoline. There should be right now a worldwide effort to move toward clean energy, and the United States stands in very stark contrast to what's happening in Europe. As I mentioned, the science says we need to cut emissions by 70%. Right now, Holland is cutting her emissions by 80% in 40 years. Tony Blair has committed Britain to cut emissions by 60% in 50 years. The Germans have committed to 50% cuts in 50 years. French President Chirac recently called on the entire industrial world to cut emissions by 75% by the year 2050. So, I really think that while we're looking at higher gasoline prices in the short term, we really need to be looking toward an economy based on hybrid cars and hydrogen cars, on electricity that comes from wind and solar and tidal power and so forth. We really need to make this transition very rapidly, otherwise we are going to see many more natural disasters and a much more fractured and combative and degraded kind of civilization.

AMY GOODMAN: Ross Gelbspan, I wanted to get your response to a piece that Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. wrote: "For They That Sow the Wind Shall Reap the Whirlwind." He says, “As Hurricane Katrina dismantles Mississippi’s Gulf Coast, it's worth recalling the central role that Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour played in derailing the Kyoto Protocol and kiboshing President Bush’s iron-clad campaign promise to regulate CO2. In March 2001, just two days after EPA administrator Christie Todd Whitman's strong statement affirming Bush's CO2 promise, former RNC Chief Barbour responded with an urgent memo to the White House. Barbour, who had served as RNC Chair and Bush campaign strategist, was now representing the President's major donors from the fossil fuel industry who had enlisted him to map a Bush energy policy that would be friendly to their interest. His credentials insured the new administration's attention.” This is the current Mississippi governor, who has flown over the devastated area and is talking about what a massive disaster it is, comparing it to the destruction of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima.

ROSS GELBSPAN: Absolutely, and what Bobby Kennedy wrote is absolutely right, and it's an illustration of what I’m talking about. Shortly after he took office, the President reneged on his campaign promise to cut emissions from power plants. He then ordered the EPA to remove all references to the damages of global warming from its website. Vice President Cheney came out with his energy plan calling for 1,900 new power plants, most of them coal. This is the fast track to climate hell. And, of course, the President withdrew us from the Kyoto Protocol, so he is really going in the opposite direction from the rest of the world, and he really is following the dictates of the fossil fuel lobby. There's no question about it.

JUAN GONZALEZ: And what can Americans who are concerned about the lack of attention of our federal government to this issue, what can they do?

ROSS GELBSPAN: Unfortunately, it has to be political action. It's not lifestyle action. Even if we all sat in the dark and rode bicycles, it would not stop global warming, especially given the reliance on coal in India and China and on oil in Mexico and Nigeria and the developing countries. We need to take the lead in spearheading a rapid transition to clean energy. That will happen only through political pressure, and hopefully through pressure on the United States from a lot of the European countries that are already moving in that direction. I would just make a short plug. In my book, Boiling Point, that will be out in paperback next month, the last chapter deals with a set of policy strategies that would propel this kind of transition. This is not a technology issue. We have all these renewable sources right now. It’s really a political issue. And so, I would urge people to take political action to force this kind of change.

AMY GOODMAN: Ross Gelbspan, I want to thank you very much for being with us, in Boston, author of Boiling Point: How Politicians, Big Oil and Coal, Journalists and Activists Are Fueling the Climate Crisis and What We Can Do to Avert Disaster.

Edited by 3opge, 02 September 2005 - 14:22.


#29 iDemo

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 22:41

Pa ce onda opet da sprze jedno 300 biliona (ili ciliona) na razna istrazivanja i analize 'scenarija' globalnog trenja u sledecih xy godina... Je@ote... Da nije zalosno bilo bi smesno...

#30 Leskar

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Posted 02 September 2005 - 23:57

Ja se slažem da se ovakvoj ljudskoj nesreći ne treba smejati već žaliti, ali mislim da većina u Evropi duboko u sebi misli da je ovaj bes prirode iskaljen na Amerima opravdan.

Ukoliko je ova nesreća prouzrokovana globalnim zagrevanjem a po svemu sudeći jeste, sami su je izazvali. Ponašaju se kao bogovi, preterano trošenje svih resursa i ispuštanje raznih otrova u atmosferu će ceo svet jako skupo koštati, nadam se samo da cena neće biti previsoka. Iako bi voleo da počnu da razmišljaju, bojim se da ponovo neće biti tako. Ovo je još jedna predstava koju su velike medijske kuće jedva čekale. Čim NO sidje sa malih ekrana oni će nastaviti da nas uništavaju, kao da je posle 9/11 bilo mnogo mudrosti.

Ovakve cene nafte će naftaški lobi preplaviti zelenim novčanicama, nisu mogli bolje ni sami sebi da požele. Oni vladaju svetom, zašto bi bilo šta menjali i Buš je iz naftaške branše ima da se odvali od para, ima Irak da muze i enormnu cenu nafte i derivata tako da je budućnost osigurana. Dok jednog dana priroda ne reši da nas počisti sa lica zemlje kao neke parazite.