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[alpiner]

U četvrtak verovatno objava RB-Honda

[alberto.ascari]

L'Eqipe piše da je gotova stvar.

[MrIncredible]

Red Bull set to switch to Honda F1 engines in 2019

Red Bull has decided to switch to Honda Formula 1 engines next year, high level sources have revealed, with confirmation of the move likely ahead of this weekend's French Grand Prix.

Although the Milton Keynes-based team had been expected to wait until the Austrian GP to make its final decision on the 2019 engine call, indications now suggest senior management has made its mind up.

Following close evaluation of the performance steps made by both car manufacturers over the Canadian GP weekend, and well aware that Renault could not guarantee it could keep its engine supply offer open, Red Bull is set on committing to Honda.

It is understood its decision was communicated to external parties late on Monday night.

Red Bull was unavailable for comment, and it is unclear when the move will be made official, but there are suggestions it could come before this weekend's race at Paul Ricard.

Red Bull has elected, after more than a decade with Renault that yielded all its world championships during the V8 engine era, to throw its focus in with the Japanese manufacturer.

The move will come as a blow to Renault which had been hoping to keep Red Bull on board to act as a benchmark for its own works team.

Speaking at last weekend's Canadian GP, Renault F1 managing director Cyril Abiteboul said: "I understand what they are looking to get.
"They are looking to the technical and commercial side, because it is clearly different remaining a customer and partner of Renault versus becoming a works team with Honda.

"I appreciate that. But frankly, as far as I am concerned, they have a chance with us to become world champion again. I cannot say for Honda."

Honda has made progress this year with Toro Rosso, following its split from McLaren at the end of last year.

An upgrade at the Canadian Grand Prix produced a significant performance step, despite Pierre Gasly needing a replacement engine following a problem in final practice.

 

https://www.autospor...-switch-in-2019

[4_Webber]

Evo, ozvanicise. Na 2 godine.

 

Team principal Christian Horner said the switch was being made because it gave Red Bull the best chance to compete for titles again.

"This multi-year agreement with Honda signals the start of an exciting new phase in Aston Martin Red Bull Racing’s efforts to compete not just for grand prix wins but for what is always our goal – championship titles," he said.

"We have always taken decisions such as this dispassionately and with only one criteria in mind – do we believe the outcome will allow us to compete at a higher level.

"After careful consideration and evaluation we are certain this partnership with Honda is the right direction for the team."

Red Bull has been monitoring Honda's development since sister team Toro Rosso replaced McLaren as the factory Honda F1 squad for this year.

"We have been impressed by Honda’s commitment to F1, by the rapid steps they have made in recent times with our sister team Scuderia Toro Rosso, and by the scope of their ambition, which matches our own," Horner added.

"We look forward to working with Honda in the coming years and to racing together in pursuit of F1’s biggest prizes.”

[staneC]

Očigledno je Rad-Oh-Yeah bio prorok.

Mclaren je testirao Hondine motore, a RedBull če pokupiti šlag.

 

Izgleda, da Honda u TR radi dobro. 

[4_Webber]

Ma radi odlicno. Proslo sedam trka a oni spucali sve dozvoljene komponente. Sad je kao Renoov motor najgori na gridu, a Hondin super? Red Bulova sasija izvlaci uzasni Renoov motor, a Toro Roso, koji koristi mocne Hondine motore, ima vise nego duplo manje bodova od najslabijeg Renoovog tima, Meklarena, i tri puta manje od fabrickog Renoa.

[staneC]

Ti misliš, da bi RB odabrao Hondu, ako bi mu telemetrija u TR pokazivala, da je Honda koma od motora?

Mislim, da znaju šta rade. 

[4_Webber]

Mislim da se kockaju. Nemaju previse toga da izgube, jer titulu nece videti do kraja 2020, mozda da padnu jednu, eventualno dve pozicije u sampionatu na dve godine i to je to.

[staneC]

Imali su opciju još za jednu godinu za Renault. Mogli su se kockati posle.

[alpiner]

Gde ćeš lepši dan... Alpina dobila pobedu i završena priča sa ovim smradovima!

 

Za mene ova vest nije nikakvo iznenađenje  i mislim da ništa logičnije nije moglo da se desi. Obe strane su dugo nezadovoljne i samo su čekali priliku za razvod. 

 

Honda blizu 30 godina nije napravila bolji motor u F1 od Rendže pa ih se ta strane ne plašim, ali biće ovo jebena kombinacija sledeće godine sigurno brža od nas i možda McL-a na dosta trka. 

 

Ono što može ozbiljno da ih zajebe je eventualno zamzavanja razvoja motora '19/'20. Čak i da se desi čudo da izvuku performanse neće uspeti za tako kratko vreme da srede i pouzdanost. 

[4_Webber]

Imali su opciju još za jednu godinu za Renault. Mogli su se kockati posle.

Za 2020. vise niko nece ni razvijati ove motore.

[Rad-oh-yeah?]

How Red Bull-Renault corrupted a great F1 legacy




By: Scott Mitchell, Journalist
3 hours ago

The dissolution of the Red Bull-Renault Formula 1 partnership risks leaving an ultra-successful grand prix racing combination with a corrupted legacy.

Red Bull team principal Christian Horner could be referring to any number of achievements when, in his team's announcement of its switch to Honda engines for 2019, he mentioned enjoying "some incredible moments" with Renault.

A first year with Cosworth (a legacy of its takeover of the Jaguar team) and one season with Ferrari power was followed by 11 seasons with Renault, a partnership that began thanks to Adrian Newey eyeing the packaging benefits of the French manufacturer's engine.

Renault has since helped Red Bull to 57 grand prix victories, a bigger tally than either Ferrari and McLaren have managed since the energy drinks company spawned its F1 team in 2005, and 113 podium finishes.

The potency of the partnership is best underlined by the run of four consecutive drivers' and constructors' world championship doubles in F1 from 2010 to 2013, and statistically it will be remembered as an all-time great.

Red Bull and Renault have more wins together than McLaren-Honda and Lotus-Ford and an almost identical tally to Williams-Renault, but its union will not be remembered with anything like the fondness afforded to those others thanks to the tensions that have dominated the last few years of its existence.

That Renault played a part in Red Bull's ultra-successful title run with Sebastian Vettel is indisputable, particularly with its role mastering the blown diffuser in 2011, though it was also aided by a period of frozen engine development.

However, the switch to V6 turbo-hybrid engines shifted the balance of power firmly to the ultra-prepared Mercedes engine operation, and Renault slumped to a distant third-best with its new power unit.

Red Bull managed to win three grands prix in 2014, all with Daniel Ricciardo, but Vettel's departure to Ferrari and a troubled Renault engine redesign led to a win-less 2015, which led to a public fallout with tangible consequences.

That led Red Bull to consider an early termination of its contract with Renault, and triggered dalliances with Mercedes and Honda that came to nothing at the time.A new deal was negotiated between Red Bull and Renault beyond 2016, but it came at a price: Red Bull split from long-time sponsor Infiniti to partner with Tag Heuer, and would name its engines after the luxury watch brand as part of Red Bull's desire to give the Renault-Nissan alliance, which includes Infiniti, no marketing activity.

The relationship improved in 2016 and, in between Max Verstappen winning on his Red Bull debut in Spain before Daniel Ricciardo adding a second victory in Malaysia, it was extended again through to the end of 2018, alongside Red Bull's junior team Toro Rosso.

By the end of 2017 Red Bull and Renault had won another three races in the face of Mercedes and Ferrari superiority, but the point-scoring political battle continued in the form of ongoing digs from Red Bull at Renault's performance and development stagnation, and from the French manufacturer about how its customer handled its communications.

The first casualty was Toro Rosso, which switched to Honda for 2018 as part of a complicated merry-go-round that extracted McLaren from its exclusive Honda supply.

Red Bull and Renault had made noises about extending its deal again to the end of 2020 and though this appeared to be on the ropes by the end of 2017, this year Renault has regularly stated a desire to continue.

Despite that the relationship has remained adversarial, with public disagreements over when a decision needed to be made for 2019 and Renault then claiming Red Bull was not getting the most out of its engine upgrade because of its independent fuel supply.

This happened against a backdrop of Red Bull using Toro Rosso to evaluate Honda as a credible option, and a decision was expected by Red Bull's race in Austria before being accelerated and announced ahead of this weekend's race on Renault's turf in France.

That cemented the end of the Red Bull-Renault alliance and will predominantly be viewed as the final chapter in a long-running and, at times, toxic saga.

This overshadows the enormous success the two parties have achieved together, though perhaps in time the partnership will be afforded the respect its achievements deserve.

[Rad-oh-yeah?]

Dr Helmut Marko says Renault forced Red Bull into making an early call about its 2019 engine supplier.

Red Bull wanted another race to assess existing supplier Renault's new specification of power unit against Honda's.

Instead, the announcement was made slightly unexpectedly on Tuesday.

"Actually we wanted to announce the decision after France," Marko, Red Bull's motor racing consultant, told Auto Bild.

"But Renault set an ultimatum that ended on Sunday. We had no choice."

Marko, though, said Red Bull was already convinced that Honda is the right choice, particularly after the progress made by the junior team Toro Rosso.

"The new update, which could not be properly used in Canada due to unfortunate circumstances, brought three tenths of laptime," he said.

"So the deal with Honda is extremely positive for us in every way. Sport, technical and financial," added Marko.

The Red Bull-Honda contract is set to run for two years, amid rumours Porsche might enter F1 under the new engine regulations for 2021.

Team boss Christian Horner says the decision to switch to Honda was made for sporting reasons, but also clear is that the Japanese marque will be a 'works' partner.

He said Red Bull got enough information in Montreal to make the call.

"Based on Montreal, the decision for us was unambiguous and it's the right time," said Horner.

"As for expectations, we want to further reduce the gap to the others. Honda has the infrastructure and the resources to help us with that," he added.

[/13/Ален Шмит/]

Ред Бул почиње сватати да су у дебелом (пиип) па налазе алтернативе ко Мекларен ономад. Него како ће се слагати РБов сајз зиро и Хондина филозофија паковања ПЈа?

Рено фабричка екипа ће највише профитирати, Мекларен се тихо подсмева и као верна муштерија која не лаје безвезе ће свакако профитирати такођер.

[Rad-oh-yeah?]

Red Bull will not use a new 'MGU-K' unit supplied by Renault this weekend in Austria.

Marca reports that Renault has been using the 2017 version of the energy recovery component so far this year, but that the new specification is finally ready.

However, fitting the new unit will result in penalties for the Renault-powered drivers, including those at the works team, McLaren, and Red Bull.

"It will be available in Austria for all the cars that want it," said Renault boss Cyril Abiteboul.

"It so happens that not all the teams have chosen to use the new specification, but it's something that we've been very much waiting for."

It is believed Renault and McLaren will use the new MGU-K in Austria, but Red Bull doesn't want to take penalties at its home race at the Red Bull Ring.

"It's a problem that some have chosen not to use it," Abiteboul said. "It means they will continue to use the MGU-K of a previous technical specification with a higher reliability risk.

"But that is our philosophy -- to accept the choice of the teams that have all the information," he added.