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#1 /13/Ален Шмит/

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Posted 06 June 2017 - 03:58







Raspored sesija po našoj vremenskoj zoni


Nedelja, 4. Jun


- 09:00-13:00 - Testni dan

- 14:00-18:00 - Testni dan


Sreda, 14. Jun


- 16:00-20:00 - Slobodni trening

- 20:30-21:30 - Slobodni trening (Roud tu Le Mans, GT3 i LMP3)

- 22:00-00:00 - Kvalifikacijski trening


Četvrtak, 15. Jun


- 10:30-11:15 - Prvi slobodni trening (Porše Karera Kup)

- 11:55-12:40 - Drugi slobodni trening (Porše Karera Kup)

- 13:30-13:50 - Slobodni trening (Roud to Le Mans)

- 14:05-14:25 - Druga kvalifikacijska sesija (Roud to Le Mans)

- 15:30-16:30 - Kvalifikacijska sesija (Porše Karera Kup)

- 17:30-18:25 - Prva trka (Roud to Le Mans)

- 19:00-21:00 - Kvalifikacijski trening

- 22:00-00:00 - Kvalifikacijski trening


Subota, 17. Jun


- 09:00-09:45 - Varm Ap

- 10:15-11:00 - Trka (Porše Karera Kup)

- 11:30-12:25 - Druga trka (Roud to Le Mans)

- 15:00-15:00 (24 sata) - Glavna trka






- Otvorena: 1923

- Dužina: 13.629 km (8.469 milja)

- Broj krivina : 38

- Rekord kruga : 3:17.475 (Andre Loterer, Audi Sport, 2015, LMP1)


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Čuvena 24 sata Le Mana će konačno doći za par dana a ove godine ćemo saznati da li se tridesetogodišnji napor Tojote isplatio nakon što su prošle godine ispustili pobedu. Izuzetno su odlučni da uspeju konačno ove godine a prvo testiranje to i potkrepljuje. Porše priznaje da ne mogu parirati vremenima koje postiže Tojota na testiranju. Vredi napomenuti fantastične LMP2 prototipove, vidno su brži nego lane i LMP1 mašine će mučiti muku na pravcima da ih prestignu za celi krug. Ferari i Ford će i ove godine voditi pravu bitku kod LMGTE Pro klase. Faliće nam Audi, jako!

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#2 /13/Ален Шмит/

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Posted 06 June 2017 - 15:00









Rezultati prvog testiranja koji se vozio u nedelju, 4. Juna:


Po klasi




Individualna vremena






Najveće dostignute brzine, pogledajte samo LMP2 prototipove!


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Posted 06 June 2017 - 22:53

Nisam spomenuo za koga navijam po klasama


- LMP1: Tojota (pošto nema Audija :( ), realno zaslužili su pobedu prošle godine



- LMP2: Alpina naravno (promenio sam sig u znak podrške)



- LMGTE Pro: Ford (njihov povratak me je jako obradovao a GT je jedno inženjersko čudo)



- LMGTE Am: Lebr Kompetišn #50 zbog livreja koje svetli u mraku  ^_^



Par klipova s testiranja 4. juna



Edited by /13/Ален Шмит/, 06 June 2017 - 23:43.

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Posted 07 June 2017 - 09:47



- LMP2: Alpina naravno (promenio sam sig u znak podrške)





Jeee!! Sada smo dvojica


Ovo je posle nekoliko specijalizovanih foruma najmasovnija podrška za Alpinu  :lol:

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Posted 07 June 2017 - 12:44

Count me in za Alpinu. U LMP1 voleo bih da Toyota pobedi iako ih ne mirisem, ali jos manje volim VW. Ford u GTEpro a AM nemam favorita.

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Posted 07 June 2017 - 14:27

Bravo ljudino!! :thumbs:


I ja navijam za Toyotu u P1

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Posted 07 June 2017 - 16:29

U Le Manu sam uvek slab na Porše, iako imam opstipaciju digestivnog trakta na sve što ima veze sa VW.

Alpina naravno u "2".
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Posted 07 June 2017 - 18:42

Izvinjavam se sto ulecem sa off-topikom... Al' sam matora picajzla pa me neke beznacajne stvari bockaju.


"Alpina" je nemacka firma koja jos od ranih '60-ih preuredjuje BMW-e i ima dug istorijat uspeha na trkama.


Alpine-Renault je trancuska firma i ako hocete fonetski, onda je izgovor "alpin" - bez "a".


troll off...


edit: BTW, i ja sam navijac - jos od modela A110...

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Posted 07 June 2017 - 20:07

Ovaj izgovor sa "a"  se nekako odomaćio u Srbiji pa ga svi koristimo.

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Posted 07 June 2017 - 20:11

Ovaj izgovor sa "a"  se nekako odomaćio u Srbiji pa ga svi koristimo.


Mislim da svi znamo krivca  :D



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Posted 09 June 2017 - 00:41

The system of slow zone caution areas used at the Le Mans 24 Hours has been modified for the 2017 edition of the race.



There will now be nine predetermined slow zones around the 8.47-mile circuit in which the cars can be limited to 80km/h under virtual safety car conditions.

There had previously been no set starting point for the slow zones since the introduction of the system in 2015: they ran between marshals posts chosen by race control on a case-by-case basis when incidents occurred around the track.

Vincent Beaumesnil, sporting director of Le Mans organiser the Automobile Club de l'Ouest, told Motorsport.com: "The drivers had concerns about the previous way we did it, because sometimes they were slowing down to 80km/h in very fast areas of the track.

"We decided that we should have fixed slow zones and that the starting point should be in a low-speed area where the cars are accelerating.

"The only exception is the one that starts at the beginning of the Porsche Curves, because we didn't want one slow zone all the way from Arnage to the end of the Porsche section."

Beaumesnil explained that the new system had not received any complaints and had worked when trialed during last weekend's official pre-race test.

"We have spoken to the teams and drivers, and they are positive about the changes," he said.

"There were no concerns when we presented the idea, and from what we experienced it the test, it seems to work."

There could be further evolution of the slow zone concept at Le Mans, according to Beaumesnil, who reiterated the ACO's belief that slow zones are preferable to regular use of the safety car to deal with an incident.

"We started with slow zones three years ago and are improving each year," he added.

"If there is a choice between a slow zone and a safety car while, for example, a barrier is repaired, it is an easy decision.”

The new system had been communicated to the teams earlier in the year and then discussed in detail in the drivers' briefing ahead of Sunday's test.




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Posted 13 June 2017 - 00:14

Tojotina posada je spremna  :thumbs:
Žan Erik Vernj planira podijum na Le Manu i kasnije angažman u LMP1 klasi

Increased LMP2 Speeds Meet Mixed Responses

Drivers entering this weekend’s 24 Hours of Le Mans have delivered mixed responses to the increased speed shown by LMP2 cars at the test day, as trap figures exceeded 210 mph.

The new-for-2017 chassis and engine packages combined to see the LMP2 field lock out 12 of the top 13 positions on the maximum speed chart at the official test.

Roberto Lacorte recorded the highest speed of 341.3 km/h in the No. 47 Cetilar Villorba Corse Dallara P217 Gibson, over 10 km/h faster than the top LMP1 Hybrid.

The impact of the greater speed for LMP2 machinery has been a talking point ahead of the Le Mans week for all classes, as LMP1 runners will find it harder to out-drag the LMP2 cars down the Mulsanne Straight, while GTE-Pro and GTE-Am drivers will be passed more regularly and with far greater pace.

The changes will naturally be felt most by the drivers in LMP2, who will be lapping well below last year’s pace.

It is not a question of if they break the existing class lap record, but rather, by how much.

“We are now 20 km/h quicker, at least. At the test, the best lap time was 3:28 – before the best time in ideal conditions was 3:36 and usually it was 3:40,” United Autosports’ Filipe Albuquerque told Sportscar365.

“3:40 was my first lap ever here with this car, which was kind of crazy. It’s good fun because we can pass the GT’s easier, which is fantastic.

“I think we’re going to have a good fight with the LMP1s and especially the ByKolles. It’s going to be interesting. The LMP1s don’t pass us as easily with the top speed because we are the same.”

Another man anticipating a closer fight between the sole privateer LMP1 entry and the LMP2 cars is Oliver Webb, who feels the pace increase has overshadowed the gains ByKolles has made with its new Nismo engine.

“We are five seconds quicker than we were last year with the same rules and regs and a slightly different rear wing, which is a massive achievement for the team,” Webb told Sportscar365.

“But it has been cast a bit of a shadow on by the LMP2s which are nine seconds faster around this track, which is just mad. So it looks like we’re only half a second clear of them.

“It’s the same LMP2 grid as last year with all the same talented drivers that were in there, six seconds up the road, which means we’d easily by 20 laps ahead by the end of the race.

“Whereas at the moment it looks like from what we can see from our strategy meetings, if everything goes perfectly, we’re going to be two to five laps ahead, which is going to be tight in 24 hours.”

Webb added that the LMP2 speed increase was “100 percent” too much, and feels it could spook some inexperienced drivers, raising a possible safety question.

“It’s not anyone’s particular fault, it’s just that teams are very clever these days at finding the grey areas of the rules,” he said.

“Dallara are going 25 km/h quicker than a hybrid car. When you think it could be someone’s first ever Le Mans as a bronze driver and he’s knackered and it’s 3 a.m. and it starts raining and he’s on slicks at almost 350 km/h, that’s big.

“I would have thought [the ACO] would change the BoP for LMP2, which I know hasn’t been done before this race, not only for us, but the fact that it’s going to be very hard for the hybrid guys.”

Albuquerque is also conscious about how to manage traffic, particularly when leading an LMP1 car out of a corner.

“I think now we just need to be careful in the middle sections out of the corners,” Albuquerque said.

“We know they have 600 horsepower out of the corners that don’t have, but from the middle straight on, we know that if they just caught us they will stay [behind us].

“Before, we had to keep looking in the mirrors to see: will he dive? Will he not dive? Now, we just know that we can brake whenever we want and they will not be able [to pass]. For us, it’s easier.”

Albuquerque’s thoughts were echoed by CEFC Manor TRS Racing driver Vitaly Petrov, who, like Webb, is concerned about the rapid gains that will be made on GT cars when picking through traffic.

“We did some race simulations and some LMP1 cars passed us very easily,” Petrov told Sportscar365. “I don’t know, maybe it’s more difficult for them to overtake us because our top speed is equal to them.

“It’s just more dangerous with GT cars which are really slow. If they are going quite slow and stop, this can be some problem.”

Corvette Racing’s Oliver Gavin is also concerned about possible clashes on-track, believing that the added speed of the LMP2 cars will encourage its drivers to attempt more opportunistic overtakes.

“The amount of pace that they’ve got off the corner and in a straight line, they’re diving up the inside of you in places where last year you knew that you didn’t really have to think too much about where they were going to go or what they were going to be like,” Gavin told Sportscar365.

“This year you know a P2 car will be dive-bombing you into Tetre Rouge. Likewise, coming out of Corvette Corner, the last corner in the Porsche curves, that little straight that you have before the kink going into the Ford Chicane.

“It’s kind of changed the dynamic of the way you have to exist on track together, so there’s going to be some give and take. There has to be.

“But I know I’m going to be spending more time looking in the rear radar, camera system that we’ve got in our Corvette C7.R.”

ACO director of sports Vincent Beaumesnil added that the speed trap times taken from the test day are not to be taken on face value, as the LMP1-H runners will have already started coasting for the braking zone, reducing their true speed slightly.

“Keep in mind that the trap speeds, the position is there for a long time and the P1s are in economy mode,” Beaumesnil told Sportscar365.

“At the end [of the straight] P2 is a bit faster because it’s still accelerating and the P1 is already in economy mode slowing down a little bit, so this is why you have this. But if you go a few meters before, the P1 is higher.”

When asked if he expected traffic issues as a result of the quicker LMP2 cars, Beaumesnil said: “We will see. The drivers know what they have to do.

“I know that it’s a big improvement for the P2 to manage the traffic with the GT cars, which was the biggest concern.

“And then between prototypes, we have top professional drivers in LMP1, they know what they have to do. We are always cautious and careful, but we will see.

“In the test day we had no real issue with that, so let’s see what happens in the race.”


Will Le Mans be Toyota's race to lose?

In theory, the only question regarding Toyota in the 2017 24 Hours of Le Mans is which of its three TS050 HYBRID LMP1 prototypes will take the overall win? Yet in reality, the prospect of a first victory for the Japanese giant after 18 attempts and five excruciating runner-up finishes is far from clear cut.
Sure, LMP1 rival Porsche finished the June 4 test day some 3.38sec down on the fastest Toyota and freely conceded its pair of 919 Hybrids are also-rans on single-lap pace, but Le Mans isn't won or lost over one lap of the 8.47-mile Circuit de la Sarthe. Instead, it's determined by flawless execution of the long game: optimizing pace over each multi-lap stint, minimizing time spent in the pits, and ensuring that strategy is both flexible and smart enough to respond to whatever the race might bring, be it weather, safety cars or a rival's unfolding gameplan. In other words, everything 18-time overall winner Porsche has proved a master of over the decades.
Of course, having the fastest car is hardly a hindrance, but in the era of bewilderingly-complex, 1,000hp, hybrid LMP1 prototypes, stored-energy harvest/release profiles, multi-stint tire strategies and, yes, even the human factor – a driver's ability to metronomically hit marks, punch in the right settings at the right moment, and react to P2 and GT traffic at closing speeds often touching 50mph-plus – are all major factors in the performance matrix, too.
DSC 5921When it comes to outright speed, Toyota looks a shoo-in for the pole, and perhaps even the first three starting positions. Kamui Kobayashi (RIGHT) was the only Toyota driver to simulate a qualifying run, but his 3m18.132s lap in the No. 7 TS050 was 1.5sec quicker than last year's pole time, set by Porsche's Neel Jani – this despite aero rule changes designed to keep LMP1 lap times in check. And as Kobayashi noted, his fast time was set despite being hindered by traffic on both of his flying lap attempts. If the weather plays ball, expect at least one Toyota to dip into the 3m16s range and outright pole record territory during the trio of two-hour qualifying sessions scheduled for Wednesday and Thursday evening.
Perhaps more ominously for Porsche, Sebastien Buemi's quick time in the No. 8 Toyota of 3m19.290s was set with a full fuel load, yet still good enough for the second-fastest overall lap. The Swiss driver, with teammates Anthony Davidson and Kazuki Nakajima, has been the FIA World Endurance Championship's benchmark so far in 2017, winning the season-opening six-hour races at Silverstone and Spa in the high-downforce-spec TS050. The Le Mans test day was Buemi's first head to head with Porsche at the wheel of a low-drag version, and he was impressed by what it delivered.
"It's good to be back at Le Mans and great to see a Toyota lapping in under 3m20s for the first time," he noted. "I'm happy because it was a smooth day and we did more than 100 laps; over a quarter of the race distance. Now I'm looking forward to race week."
For Buemi and Co., the return to Le Mans is a chance of redemption after coming within a lap of victory last year. In a shocking denouement, with Nakajima at the wheel, a broken connector on an airhose between the turbo and the intercooler – we'd call it a trivial part, but nothing's trivial when it comes to racing twice around the clock – saw the car grinding to a halt when victory for Toyota seemed assured. Still, they say what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, and the response so far from Toyota Gazoo Racing and the No. 8 crew speaks to that.
The No. 7 (with Mike Conway and Stephane Sarrazin alongside Kobayashi) and 8 are the two main weapons in Toyota's three-car arsenal, but a third, Le Mans-and-done entry – the No. 9, driven by Nicolas Lapierre and Le Mans rookies Yuji Kunimoto and Jose Maria Lopez – adds an intriguing dimension. It's the first time Toyota has fielded a third LMP1 entry at La Sarthe, and it would be a stretch to predict it emulating Porsche's 2015 win with its "guest" lineup of Earl Bamber, Nico Hulkenberg and Nick Tandy, but what chance a podium? The extra TS050 is identical in spec to the regular entries, while the pressure's off and expectations aren't sky high for its driver lineup, so watch this space.



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#13 Arnold Schwarzenegger

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 13:58

Znaci pobedjuje Tojota

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 16:25

Znaci pobedjuje Tojota


Imaju najbolje šanse, brzi su i to se vidi ali prvo i osnovno pravilo stoji- treba ceo sklop svih tri prototipova preživeti 24 časova..

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 16:40

Jel su oni nekad pobedili ovu trku i kolko puta?

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