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Ovo je u rerni na 120C vec dva i po sata. Jos pola sata i gotovo. Mirise odlicno i sigurno ce biti dobro ali predugo je sve ovo, na kraju sam zivaca. Jutros sam ustao prije 6 da provjerim i nisam vise mogao zaspati. Citav dan sam na pola koplja i totalno mi je svejedno za ovaj brisket.

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Trebao sam izvaditi iz rerne nakon sat vremena, 3 sata je previse. Izgorila je korica mada nije nista strasno. Ukus je odlican, osjete se sve komponente iz glazure i dry ruba, meso je vrlo mekano mada ne i socno kako sam ocekivao. Kada bih opet radio ovako, jedino bih ovaj zadnji dio u rerni dobro skratio i bilo bi perfektno mada ne vjerujem da cu ovo vise ikada. Previse truda i vremena ulozeno, a return je so - so i da je perfektan. 

 

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I na kraju - sta bi?

 

Ako nije ovako - nemoj ni zvati!

 

 

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Nesto gledao na 'munchies' besnu raspravu italijani vs strani likovi oko toga kako drugi kuvaju spagete / spremaju pizzu / kakvu jedu mocarelu - pa to je skoro bolesno.

https://munchies.vic...-mad-about-food

Nevidjeni lazovi, dzabolebarosi & neradnici, veciti infantilci, sa 'nonna & mamma' sindromom, nesto bi da trtljaju oko toga kako drugi treba 'pravilno' da spremaju pastu?
Pa, spremam kako ja hocu / volim, a ne da postujem neciju sirotinjsku tradiciju.

Kaze autor teksta kako su italijani vrlo vispreni u vredjanju oponenata, npr. - 'koliko se cesto kupas' i kako se ocas prebace na politiku, a tipican primer je - 'ti mora da si glasao za DT', sto je mnogo smesno, jer kad covek pogleda do kada su bili evropska sirotinja i za koje sve pajace je apeninska sirotinja glasala od '45, pa i kako su ih USofA izdrzavali posle WW II - pa to je da se posprdno nasmejes.

Onako - 'ladri italiani' (i ladri italiani si sono fatti tutti eleggere / italian thieves have all been elected), sitne provincijalne lopine, vecito gladna sirotinja, 'kvarni, lazljivi & podmukli latini'. Samo covek kad im pogleda 'narodna jela' - pa to je kao 'atomski kupus' - kombinacija leblebija, krompira i ostataka nekog povrca, oteta od krmeta. Da nisu mozda svi uvek jeli 'carpaccio', ili vecito trosili 'tartufe' / izvikani prosciutto, taman posla - kavijar?

http://cronologia.le...i/lazzari01.htm

(Googletov prevod na eng.)

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>> ... Let's dispel the legend of " good and healthy grandma's cooking ", or the legend as " traditional ". Almost all of our grandmothers have always cooked poor and poor foods with nutritional content. The " grandma's soups" ? They were often a broth of water, not always drinkable.

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The truth about the diet of this end of the nineteenth century has been distorted by the appearance of many publications even before and written from "untori della tavola" who wrote down recipes that could actually be made only in small, high class families. On the other hand the "manuals" of cooking were always written by chefs or "operators" at the service of nobles and powerful. Maybe it's time to debunk the legend of "good and healthy grandma's cooking" because, except for short brackets, the "people", or almost the entire population is not well off, has always consumed poor food and poor nutritional content. The "miracle" will happen only after the end of the Second World War, when the socio-economic situation will reverse situations that were
incancrenite species in the last centuries.

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An agriculture constituted by a poor, malnourished, socially marginalized, illiterate (*) and growing demographic with the relative consequences.
(*) In 1861, Unita Italy had 74.7% of illiterate people, but in Veneto (not yet united), in the entire farming environment and in the new territories of the South, the percentage reached 90% .

Marshes and swamps subtracted about a third of the land for cultivation. Malaria, tuberculosis, pellagra, were endemic diseases due, in addition to malnutrition, to the scarcity of sanitation.

Another cause of poor health was the living spaces that often in 11,000 villages or villages, were divided with animals: a degrading cohabitation and deleterious; narrow and damp spaces that made the hovels of the peasants uninhabitable, to which the rich houses of the owners and tenants were set against each other.

A few years before (in 1951) the "Parliamentary Inquiry on misery in Italy" he had ascertained that "869 thousand Italian families they crowded into houses crumbling where they lived more than four people per room or in "improper homes" such as cellars, barracks, huts built with pebbles found in tilling agricultural land, or lived in caves, as in Matera.
Even worse was the situation in the South. And at the beginning of the 60s, little or nothing had changed since 1951 when the mayor Achille Lauro had explained: "according to very reliable calculations and if anything wrong in Naples, 80,000 people get up every morning. who do not know if and how they will be able to feed themselves in the day". A part of Italy, even the rich one, still lived without running water at home. In the Veneto of 1961, - a trail of misery in the immediate eve of the boom - recalls the sociologist Ulderico Bernardi, out of 100 houses 48 were without running water, 52 without the toilet, 72 without a bathroom, 15 without electric light, 81 without the network gas, 86 ignored what the radiators were.

The indebtedness of the majority of the poorest population, both of the peasants and of the small owners of the funds and the economic crisis that overwhelmed, besides Italy, also part of Europe, were decisive for the living standards of both the urban and urban populations. of those who lived on the margins of agricultural and pastoral productivity.
(Note of Chronology: In 1880 the agriculture workers in Italy are 70%, Great Britain has fallen to 20%, France to 39%, Germany is 41%.)
Regarding the INDUSTRIAL PRODUCTION year 1880 - 30% of the UK, 23% the USA, 18% Germany, 15% France, 4.2% Russia, 3.9% Belgium. Italy is lagging behind, with 2.4%.)

Demographic pressure, diseases, unemployment and poverty, were the elements that paved the way for the great emigration that numerically faltered the most active populations of both the city and the countryside. A motto circulated among the wealthiest classes who were holding the fortunes of the agricultural and industrial economy of the nascent Nation: "Lascíamoli go, those who leave better will be better, especially those who remain".

Although "food spending" was the most important item in the economy of households, there is no specific and exhaustive study on the problem.
The variegated social stratification, the diversity between the zone and the zone and the various socio-economic conditions, are elements that do not facilitate the comprehension of the alimentary problem in its entirety; just think that while in a group of mountain peasants of Bergamo you die of pellagra, a few thousand meters, in the hovels of the "bergamini" or guardians of cows, the diet is good and plentiful, consisting of dairy products, fresh or aged cheeses with high caloric power that also bring a fair ration of proteins, from wheat bread and corn, potatoes and vegetables, while in the houses of the "lords" of the hill or plain, the food is complete and varied enough to represent a reference of exceptional gastronomic interest.

The lack of protein and vitamins were the destabilizing elements. The meat, in almost all households, both in the countryside and in urban centers, appeared only a few times a year: often limited to Easter and Christmas.

It will be only at the beginning of the twentieth century that proteins of animal origin, even if obtained from meat of poor quality, will begin to appear in the occasional ration of some more advanced social strata. Vitamins continued to be scarce because the only easily available vegetables were broad beans, beans, lentils, chickpeas, while fresh vegetables, with the exception of wild ones harvested by farmers for family use, were sent to markets to make a minimum profit.

1960s - In the Osteria dei Lucchisi, the first television set appeared in Paese . They were the dawn of the second half of the century. In the afternoon, when the programs began, the place was filled with children. The broadcasts resumed with the evening news, followed by "Carosello" (advertising) and entertainment programs, such as "Leave or double?", Conducted by Mike Buongiorno. This transmission was aired for the first time on November 26, 1955, immediately triggering a mind-blowing success. Even to get the place, someone arrived in the tavern well in advance, but after "Carosello" the children were sent to bed. Money did not circulate, so most people watched TV broadcasts from

Canéo without ever consuming anything. Purchases of foodstuffs were marked on a booklet. The balance took place on the occasion of the sale of the calf, the shells or the harvest. A cigarette was also worth a chicken egg.The oil was purchased in measures (decilitri). Each family had its greasy bottle, corked with an overgrowth. Nothing was superfluous and quarreled over a vessel of mackerel. There was only a bit of rancid oil left, but that was fine for dinner. The memory of Giovanni Canèo is even more alive than ever in Sovernigo, especially among the no longer young, and more than anyone in his heart brings him - and he owes him - so much gratitude. ... <<

Od lopine Marca Pola koji je doneo rezance & 'baozi' iz Kine, pa preko L.Americkog paradajza (XVI vek) i istocnjacke 'lahmacun' - pizze.
Imali nesto da nisu marnuli?

 

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A najsmesniji su likovi koji urlaju da se tzv. 'tortelini / ravioli' - nikako ne smeju prziti!

 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baozi

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The following 130 pages are in this category, out of 130 total.
Dumpling,
Ada (food), Agnolotti, Akashiyaki, Apple dumpling Qatayef, Aushak
Ba-wan, Bánh bao, Bánh bột lọc, Bánh chưng, Bánh lá, Bánh tẻ, Bánh tét, Baozi, Batagor, Borș de burechiușe, Bryndzové halušky, Bua loi, Buuz
Caozaiguo, Cappelletti, Capuns, Cepelinai, Chapalele, Chebureki, Chicken and dumplings, Cifantuan, Corunda, Crab Rangoon
Da Bao, Dango, Decho, Dim sim, Dim sum, Ducana
Eo-mandu
Fritter, Fun guo
Germknödel, Gnocchi, Gnudi, Gondi (dumpling), Gong'a Momo, Gulha, Gürzə
Hallaca, Halušky, Har gow, Hujiao bing
Idrijski žlikrofi
Jiaozi, Joshpara
Kalduny, Kenkey, Khinkali, Khuushuur, Kibbeh, Kibi dango (millet dumpling), Kibi dango (Okayama), Knödel, Kluski, Knedle, Knish, Knoephla, Kochi (kuih), Kopytka, Kreplach, Kroppkaka, Kue putu mangkok, Kundumy
Lo mai gai, Lukhmi
Mandu (food), Mandu-guk, Mandu-gwa, Manti (food), Marillenknödel, Matzah ball, Maultasche, Mitarashi dango, Modak, Mohnnudel, Momo (food), Mücver
Nagasari, Nuegados
Oromo (dish)
Palt, Pamonha, Pampuchy, Pantruca, Pasteles, Pelmeni, Pickert, Pierogi, Pitepalt, Poutine râpée, Pyzy (dish)
Raspeball, Ravioli, Rissole, Rivels, S, Samosa, Samsa (food), Schupfnudel, Scovardă, Shengjian mantou, Shlishkes, Shumai, Sì (dessert), Silesian dumplings, Siopao, Strapačky, Suanla chaoshou
Tamale, Tamalito, Tangyuan (food), Taro dumpling, Timphan, Tortellini, Tortelloni
Uszka
Way Fong, Wonton
Xiaolongbao
Yau gok
Zhaliang, Zongzi

 

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Ja u poslednje vreme, mostly, spremam rezance na kineski nacin, a kako ce neko drugi spremati - svejedno mi je.
Nazdravlje.



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Edited by Kinik, 03 February 2018 - 20:13.

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Nesto gledao na 'munchies' besnu raspravu italijani vs strani likovi oko toga kako drugi kuvaju spagete / spremaju pizzu / kakvu jedu mocarelu - pa to je skoro bolesno.

https://munchies.vic...-mad-about-food

Nevidjeni lazovi, dzabolebarosi & neradnici, veciti infantilci, sa 'nonna & mamma' sindromom, nesto bi da trtljaju oko toga kako drugi treba 'pravilno' da spremaju pastu?
Pa, spremam kako ja hocu / volim, a ne da postujem neciju sirotinjsku tradiciju.

Kaze autor teksta kako su italijani vrlo vispreni u vredjanju oponenata, npr. - 'koliko se cesto kupas' i kako se ocas prebace na politiku, a tipican primer je - 'ti mora da si glasao za DT', sto je mnogo smesno, jer kad covek pogleda do kada su bili evropska sirotinja i za koje sve pajace je apeninska sirotinja glasala od '45, pa i kako su ih USofA izdrzavali posle WW II - pa to je da se posprdno nasmejes.

Onako - 'ladri italiani' (i ladri italiani si sono fatti tutti eleggere / italian thieves have all been elected), sitne provincijalne lopine, vecito gladna sirotinja, 'kvarni, lazljivi & podmukli latini'. Samo covek kad im pogleda 'narodna jela' - pa to je kao 'atomski kupus' - kombinacija leblebija, krompira i ostataka nekog povrca, oteta od krmeta. Da nisu mozda svi uvek jeli 'carpaccio', ili vecito trosili 'tartufe' / izvikani prosciutto, taman posla - kavijar?



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Idem sutra u Alta Badiu, baš sam se sad lepo pripremio...

[Kinik]

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Pa znas kako je - bogati su uvek ziveli bogato, a sirotinja kako je morala.

Neki ekonomski uspon italije je poceo u periodu posle '60-'70-ih godina.

Znas i sam koliko je italijanskih gastarbajtera bilo po Evropi - italijanska, portugalska, 'jugo' i turska sirotinja iz raznih vukojebina.

'Fensi-shmensi' zezanje je doslo sa 'globalizacijom'.

 

A da 'kvarni latini' nisu nista manje ljubitelji mitova kao i sve ostale zamlate - to je cinjenica.

Znas i sam da moras dobro da pazis.

 

 

Ti volis alpsko skijanje & ferari, pa si mahom zagledan u te stvari, a meni to jako malo znaci.

Zato sam pazljivije posmatrao druge stvari. Odlazio sam u goste u razne kuce i mogu ti reci da je to bilo poprilicno skromno, a negde bas totalno skromno. Da je postojao pattern - jeste, da su se naganjale porodicne legende - jesu. No kad popricas malo vise - obicno to splasne, pa polako ispliva prava slika na videlo.

 

Meni, kad su likovi iz Trentina pricali kako su im preci bili siromasni - ja sam mislio da citam sVrBsku etnolosku literaturu. Sve isto. Jad, beda, sirotinja, bolescine, alkoholizam, prostitucija, iznudjeno 'pecalbarstvo / gastarbajterstvo'. I sami su govorili da im je boljitak poceo od '70-'75 pa nadalje. Posebno oko turizma, sto je tvoj osnovni interes oko Dolomita. Jeste da ce u gostionama da te posluze delikatesima, no zato se kod kuce cesto trosi 'divna polenta po noninom receptu' , ili guli neka 'minestra / zuppa' sa svim i svacim. No, dobro, ja sam oduvek bio kulinarsko-istrazivackog duha, pa mi to nije padalo tesko.

A znam i sta su mi govorili italijanski likovi koji su dolazili kod nas u goste, ili bili u planinskoj vikendici. Svi smo mi za njih bili 'lose obuceni', no zato su od stola jedva ustajali.

 

 

PS.

Probaj zezancije radi da porucis pizzu sa komadom ananasa, ili da je prelijes kecapom.

Izbacice te iz hotela / pansiona!

 

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Pa znas kako je - bogati su uvek ziveli bogato, a sirotinja kako je morala.

Neki ekonomski uspon italije je poceo u periodu posle '60-'70-ih godina.

Znas i sam koliko je italijanskih gastarbajtera bilo po Evropi - italijanska, portugalska, 'jugo' i turska sirotinja iz raznih vukojebina.

'Fensi-shmensi' zezanje je doslo sa 'globalizacijom'.

 

A da 'kvarni latini' nisu nista manje ljubitelji mitova kao i sve ostale zamlate - to je cinjenica.

Znas i sam da moras dobro da pazis.

 

Ti volis alpsko skijanje & ferari, pa si mahom zagledan u te stvari, a meni to jako malo znaci.

Zato sam pazljivije posmatrao druge stvari. Odlazio sam u goste u razne kuce i mogu ti reci da je to bilo poprilicno skromno, a negde bas totalno skromno. Da je postojao pattern - jeste, da su se naganjale porodicne legende - jesu. No kad popricas malo vise - obicno to splasne, pa polako ispliva prava slika na videlo.

 

Meni, kad su likovi iz Trentina pricali kako su im preci bili siromasni - ja sam mislio da citam sVrBsku etnolosku literaturu. Sve isto. Jad, beda, sirotinja, bolescine, alkoholizam, prostitucija, iznudjeno 'pecalbarstvo / gastarbajterstvo'. I sami su govorili da im je boljitak poceo od '70-'75 pa nadalje. Posebno oko turizma, sto je tvoj osnovni interes oko Dolomita. Jeste da ce u gostionama da te posluze delikatesima, no zato se kod kuce cesto trosi 'divna polenta po noninom receptu' , ili guli neka 'minestra / zuppa' sa svim i svacim. No, dobro, ja sam oduvek bio kulinarsko-istrazivackog duha, pa mi to nije padalo tesko.

A znam i sta su mi govorili italijanski likovi koji su dolazili kod nas u goste, ili bili u planinskoj vikendici. Svi smo mi za njih bili 'lose obuceni', no zato su od stola jedva ustajali.

 

PS.

Probaj zezancije radi da porucis pizzu sa komadom ananasa, ili da je prelijes kecapom.

Izbacice te iz hotela / pansiona!

 

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Znam ja to matori, imam tamo već i dosta poznanika pa i prijatelja, što južnotirolaca germanskog porekla, što Italijana lokalnih (skoro da nisu ni postojali) što potomaka policijaca i carinika sa juga koje je gore nasilno naselio Mussolini, pa čak i neke Ladine...

 

I danas se vidi velika razlika kad predješ iz Alto Adige / Südtirol u Veneto ili Lombardiju, kao Slovenija i Bosna...

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Naletim na nekog rusa-idiJota na Netu - zali se kako u Australiji ne moze da napravis pravu 'sovjetsku salatu Olivje' jer carina ne dozvoljava unos majoneza i salame / kobasice!

 

 

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