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#16 Rad-oh-yeah?

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Posted 15 June 2016 - 16:05

Lose vesti za fanove Meklarena:
 

F1 drivers have admitted they are not sure how much they will enjoy this weekend's inaugural grand prix on the streets of Baku.

The track in Azerbaijan has been billed as an ultra high speed street layout including an exciting, ultra-narrow run past the old city walls.

But world champion Lewis Hamilton sounds uncertain.

"It has a very long straight," the Briton is quoted by Brazil's UOL.

"Street circuit? I think Monaco is a street circuit. It (Baku) is so wide in some places -- I don't know why they do circuits like this. But I hope it's exciting."

Ferrari's Sebastian Vettel said he has tried the layout in the simulator.

"I thought it has a few interesting parts and some other more simple parts," said the German. "At least it will be hotter than in Canada!" he smiled.

Felipe Massa thinks the cars with the most powerful engines will shine because top speeds will rival those seen at Spa-Francorchamps and even Monza.

"It's a bit like Sochi with one quite narrow part," said the Williams driver.

And Toro Rosso's Daniil Kvyat is quoted by the Spanish daily Marca: "It reminds me a little of Valencia."

Red Bull Racing, meanwhile, has been impressed with Renault's improvements so far in 2016 but is not expecting to enjoy the extremely long straight at Baku.

"In our calculations, we assume we will lose 1.2 seconds on that straight," Dr Helmut Marko is quoted by the Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf.

"We have an excellent car but we can never make all of that (deficit) up in the corners."

 

Ako ce RBR da gubi preko jedne sekunde na pravcu, koliko cemo tek onda mi da gubimo? Ako nista drugo, barem ce biti zabavno slusati Alonsa kako pizdi preko radija... :twak:


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#17 alberto.ascari

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Posted 15 June 2016 - 17:05

Berniju placaju minimum 40 miliona !!!

 

Ni teroretski nikad ne mogu biti u profitu. Jedna od onih trka koja zavisi od volje lokalnog serifa i koja veze nema ni sa sportom ni sa biznisom.

 

Bole ih qratz za profit, nursultan ili alijev ili koji qratzpalacdespot plati iz budžeta i jebe mu se.

 

Na tribine natera decu i vojnike obučene u civil.

 

Jebale ih te pripizdine.


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#18 Rad-oh-yeah?

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Posted 15 June 2016 - 17:09

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European Grand Prix preview - Old wine in a new bottle
By: Graham Keilloh | 14 June 2016
 
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In following F1 you would be forgiven for feeling that you need as much familiarity with geopolitics, foreign policy and the international human rights movement as the sport's esoteric matters. And this in a pursuit that at its core is as simple as which car can complete a distance most quickly.

But it is a sport also that over time has developed a weakness for keeping bad company. And with this it tends to have at any moment at least one round that causes particular discomfort, for reasons that reverberate way beyond the circuit's perimeter. For a while it was Bahrain. Then for a time it was Russia, which with its president appearing in the podium ante-room after the race left little to the imagination. Others such as China have had their associated murmurings.

Now we have Azerbaijan, debuting on the F1 itinerary this weekend. And beware judging a book by its cover. The image presented will be one of an oil-rich capital of Baku, all high-end boutiques, smart eateries and elegant architecture - classical and modern - next to the lapping Caspian Sea. Indeed there have been plenty of efforts already to project that image. But, as was the case in those other host countries mentioned, beneath the veneer things become rather less savoury.

It's a tale not entirely new, F1's visits to apartheid South Africa back in the day share a strong family resemblance, yet these days this kind of cringe is especially common. Bernie has always followed the money but our age of increasing costs, declining investment from sponsors (particularly from tobacco) and growing gaps in spectator areas means that the sport is ever more reliant on income from hosting fees. Add too that latterly CVC has provided a pitchfork at F1's back to maintain its thick bottom line.

And it's no coincidence that it is the questionable regimes that are most willing to pay inflated sums. This was outlined in reference to Azerbaijan by Phil Bloomer, executive director of the Business and Human Rights Resources Centre: "We had the European Games there last year, which was a highly expensive vanity project. These mega sporting events act as a sanitiser and also promotes the image of a modern economy. Formula One also has form in this area. In Bahrain the government used the Grand Prix to project a very different image to what was happening in the streets, where demonstrators were being bludgeoned, where protesters were being imprisoned."

It's not even a coincidence that this one is titled the 'European Grand Prix', as the regime is keen to promote Baku as a European centre (though whether it's actually in Europe at all is a matter that can be debated). For these reasons the familiar line of defence at such moments, that 'sport and politics shouldn't mix', surely does not apply.

So sure enough human rights bodies have been critical, with Sport For Rights - a coalition of international organisations established to draw attention to Azerbaijan's human rights record - coming up with a booklet entitled 'A Full-Throttle Attack on Human Rights: What Reporters covering the F1 Baku Grand Prix should know'. Hardly good publicity.

It was hardly unforeseen either as the country hosted the 2012 Eurovision Song Contest and exactly the same concerns and controversies were raised, as they were in its staging of the 2015 European Games in athletics. As Bloomer added, "Azerbaijan has got form".

You wonder where it might end too. I'm put in mind of the team principals' press conference that took place in Hungary in 2014, the very same weekend in which the Azerbaijan round was officially confirmed. After several minutes of ducking and weaving from the assembled head honchos on the matter of race hosts, someone asked 'Would you accept a Grand Prix in North Korea?' A good question, one that wasn't answered then. And it still hasn't been.

Ultimately also the sport is firmly among the losers. The taint by association surely harms F1's brand, and this has its many manifestations including in the language F1 most understands. "There is rising evidence that major sponsors are running out of patience with major sports who are constantly putting their events in highly oppressive states", Bloomer went on.

It seems he has a point. There are plenty of F1 cars with barely a sponsor on them; taking those away that are related to team ownership, to technical tie-ups or are associated with drivers, suddenly F1 sponsors become a highly endangered species. And while the sport's recent ways as mentioned owe something to declining sponsorship revenue it seems reasonable to think there's a cyclical relationship going on, that the ways also contribute to the lack of investment. Vast global brands whom you would have thought perfect for an F1 audience (McDonalds, Black & Decker…) are nowhere on the radar. Williams' title sponsorship with Martini announced at the start of 2014 seemed the first time in years that such a deal had been struck by a team in this game. That's because it probably was. And there's been nearly nothing since.

Sadly also there are reasons to think that we won't be compensated albeit partially by strong local enthusiasm this weekend in Baku. The circuit's grandstand capacity is rather limited at 28,000, and a recent report had even so less than 10% of the tickets being sold.

But the race goes on. The Formula One Group and the FIA developed recently a human rights policy but it's difficult to know from its wording or action what its implementation will ever amount to. And while the FIA approves the calendar wholesale its record of blocking Bernie's selections is near non-existent. Also to my knowledge a Grand Prix has never been cancelled on moral grounds. Yes, you may be shouting at this point, the Bahrain race of 2011 was indeed canned, but that officially was on the basis of security and Bernie didn't waste any time in reinstating it (indeed, he tried to reschedule it in the same season). South Africa we've mentioned also, but that race being shunned owed to commercial pressure.

Another Monaco?

If there is a family resemblance with this race and previous controversial stop-offs, the Baku City circuit itself also has a family resemblance and with the previous two tracks on the calendar. As a downtown street track dashing between buildings not far from a harbour front the Monaco likeness is obvious (Bernie has indeed promised another Monaco), particularly in its very narrow turn 8 to 10 section between Baku's ancient city walls which has a whiff of the principality's Mirabeau-Station Hairpin-Portiers part. But also Baku has a lengthy flat-out 1.2 mile blast along the sea front, which to provide a yardstick is of similar length of La Source to Les Combes at Spa. Therefore the new track may instead of Monaco have more of Montreal about it, or perhaps may even surpass the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve in allowing cars to stretch their legs. Straight-line speed will count in other words (as it doesn't at Monaco). As is the case in both of those recent venues few of the Baku corners appear quick and none at all are long.

Set-up balancing grip in the tight twisty stuff and speed in the extended full-pelt section will be a challenge and those with good mechanical grip will be well set. Red Bull excels in this, as it does on traction. Yet the mile-plus full throttle zone will likely be more regrettable to the Milton Keynes squad, as seen in Canada when, despite looking reasonable through the speed traps, Max Verstappen admitted that the Bulls had to trim out their set-up so not to lose out on the long straights, and it seemed to show in competitiveness. The Renault unit even with its recent improvements doesn't have the acceleration nor top end urge of the Merc or Ferrari.

Remember the suncream!

But in a variation from Canada temperatures are expected to be hot in Baku (in addition rain is thought less likely than in the Bahrain round) and therefore warm Friday practice in Montreal, rather than chilly Saturday and Sunday, may be our better guide to Baku pace, and again that may be bad news for the Bulls. As Daniel Ricciardo said prior to the Canada race: "Cooler temperatures will help us...On Friday, we struggled a bit with the hotter track temperature."

Instead Mercedes topped Friday's running in Montreal, both on single lap pace and longer runs. The long straights and high temperatures tilt things firmly towards the silver cars and away from the RB12s. The Merc remains the best power unit out there plus the silver team's efficient chassis allows it to run more wing with relatively little drag penalty.

Ferrari v Mercedes once again...

While Ferrari is likely to maintain its place reclaimed in Canada as Mercedes's most probable irritant. In Montreal's Friday running it was a clear best of the rest behind the Merc, with it getting particularly close on race runs. Its new turbo had a clear positive impact while, whisper it, it might have got to the bottom of its tyre warm-up problems for a qualifying lap. In Canada its quali out-laps were aggressive and Sebastian Vettel's final qualifying mark was within two tenths of Hamilton's pole time, which is the closest he's got to the silver cars on a Saturday since their mysterious off weekend in Singapore last year. It was pointed out though that doing it again in hot conditions - which it will get this time - will be the real acid test as to whether it has this matter licked.

Ferrari should also lose little to the Merc in the extended full throttle zone - many at Merc say their respective power units are pretty much neck and neck - and as we've seen it has a reasonable chance of getting a jump on the Mercs off the start. Then all bets are off, assuming of course Ferrari gets its strategy right...

Mercedes remains clear favourite though and if this one is indeed like Montreal then it may be good news for Lewis Hamilton. Hustling a car between walls on a low grip surface, as well as big braking zones, all are quite his thing. He has the unmistakable sense of things going his way right now too.

The high temperature of course will strain parts and cooling including to -given the track's layout - already strained brakes. Mercedes reliability in such areas has in the past been iffy particularly if the ambient does get up, so perhaps just as in Canada unreliability will seem in advance to rivals the most likely means of Merc stepping down.

As for the rest, a Montreal esque layout could be good news for the fast-through-the-air Williams, and Valtteri Bottas indeed bagged third place in Canada. Then there is Force India which also tends to go well on such tracks, indeed Sergio Perez started P5 in Spa last year with its lengthy top speed section and P7 in Russia this, on its low grip surface. McLaren may struggle however with its low top end speed - it ceded plenty in Montreal's speed trap - and there's reason to think that this one, again like Montreal, could be tough on fuel consumption.

Even with the softest compounds available tyre degradation has been very low in the last two rounds, aside from when the temperature dropped in Canada causing the tyres to grain, and as outlined such ambient temperature is not likely to be replicated in Baku. This time we may add that new surfaces (the local cobbled streets have been covered especially for the race, then apparently the tarmac will be scraped off afterwards) tend to have bitumen close to the top, which means they are rather like a sheet of glass and therefore degradation drops further (see Sochi visits quintessentially). As ever at new circuits too Pirelli has erred on the side of caution by - unlike in Monaco and Montreal - bringing the medium rather than the ultra-soft. Easy one-stoppers with low degradation therefore are probable, and teams appear to agree given they've in large part shunned the medium and piled up on the super-soft.

Yet while teams are tremendously clever at simulating new venues really the running in practice (in Practice...) will still provide a steep learning curve. Particularly given, as Pat Symonds explained, "simulations have had to be done using surveyor's maps rather than detailed track scans...a new circuit such as Baku will always throw up some surprises".

The biggest challenge of all may prove to be logistical. Time was that new venues were never put back-to-back with another as simply there were too many logistical unknowns. That is a practice waived now it seems, and with two stop-offs that hardly are neighbours, given there are mere days between dismantling of camp in Canada and setting the circus up in Baku. Let's hope the previous practice doesn't show itself this time to be a good practice. Tom Butcher, who is overseeing the circuit's construction, has described this timing as the "biggest problem" for F1 setting up and believes that "those last few days will be chaos".

But then again, perhaps as outlined such things are the least of this round's problems.


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#19 Hertzog

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Posted 15 June 2016 - 21:33

Ne procitah zadnji tekst ovde, al kada vidim naslov staro vino u novoj boci, userem se odmah i naravno da izgubim volju i za citanjem i za gledanjem trke... Po naslovu bi se reklo da je narucen tekst i masno placen, samo da bi se napravio spektakl i da bi povecali vaznost ovog sranja
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#20 alberto.ascari

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Posted 15 June 2016 - 21:52

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Meni ovo i dalje izgleda totalno umobolno.

 

Postoji mogucnost i da ce na ovom delu staze integritet asfalta predstavljati veliki problem, zato sto je on postavljen preko turske kaldrme tako da moze lako da se skloni (moraju odmah posle trke da ga uklone, jer je ceo ovaj deo grada pod zastitom UNESCO); prognoze su za temperature preko 30 stepeni, i mnogi izjavljuju zabrinutost da ce u tim uslovima ovaj "privremeni" asfalt da pocne da se raspada pod silama F1 bolida.

 

 

Nek se nose u tripi*kematerine, ovo je tesno za bicikle a ne za bolide od 750 konja, u boljem slučaju trka pod sc, u gorem red flag.

 

I jaš se slažem sa Radojem, može lako da se desi da još na prvom treningu bolidi pokidaju taj asfalt koji nema čvrstu vezu sa podlogom, to je kao da voziš F1 na laminatu u dnevnoj sobi...


Edited by alberto.ascari, 15 June 2016 - 21:55.

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#21 Dzoni_m

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Posted 15 June 2016 - 23:16

Hamilton lepo opleo po stazi a ne k'o ostali sto su "super ushiceni sto se nalaze ovde". Je*ala ih izjava. 

 

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#22 Rad-oh-yeah?

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Posted 16 June 2016 - 01:15

Ne procitah zadnji tekst ovde, al kada vidim naslov staro vino u novoj boci, userem se odmah i naravno da izgubim volju i za citanjem i za gledanjem trke... Po naslovu bi se reklo da je narucen tekst i masno placen, samo da bi se napravio spektakl i da bi povecali vaznost ovog sranja

 

Procitaj tekst.


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#23 Rad-oh-yeah?

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Posted 16 June 2016 - 01:56

F1: Baku track set to create setup dilemmas
Wednesday, 15 June 2016
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Leading Formula 1 team figures expect a dilemma over setup for this weekend's inaugural grand prix in Azerbaijan on the streets of capital city Baku.

At 3.732 miles, the 20-turn circuit is the second longest on the calendar and has been described by its designer Hermann Tilke as the fastest city track in the world.

 

But alongside its fast, sweeping corners and long straight, there is also a narrow and twisty section through the Old City.

"It's going to be quite a challenge for the engineering teams because you've got this requirement for huge straightline speed, it's a very low efficiency circuit," said Williams performance chief Rob Smedley. "Then it almost goes into this Monaco-style street circuit in places. It looks like it goes into some reasonably sweeping, quite quick right-handers or medium-speed right-handers.

"So there's going to be some real challenges there. The place where I would say it's most similar to is Spa. You'll see some teams taking different choices for both qualifying and the race."

Red Bull boss Christian Horner believes the length of the main straight, which measures 1.4 miles, will push teams toward a low downforce setup.

"The straight is twice as long as the longest straight in Montreal, which is enormous," he said. "It's going to be fascinating to see what setups people adopt. I guess the length of that straight will push most people toward the lower end of the downforce spectrum."

Force India's Nico Hulkenberg believes the layout will demand a compromise with setup.

"The layout looks fast, especially for a street circuit," he said. "There is a massive straight, with just a few flat-out kinks, and some more twisty sections which will require a compromise in terms of setup. I haven't had a chance to try it in the simulator yet but I saw the video on YouTube.

"In any case, it really is all about getting there, getting into the car and finding out about the track in those first few laps."

 

Zar su svi u F1 vec zaboravili stari Hokenhajm?

 

Svaki pokusaj da se bolidi ovde setapuju za bilo sta osim za maksimalnu brzinu na pravcu su ludost. Stazom dominira sekcija od 2,2 km pod neprekinutim punim gasom gde se lako pretice a ako tu nemas brzinu gubi se najvise vremena koje posle ne mozes na ostatku staze da nadoknadis. A na onom uskom krivudavom delu staza je toliko uska da se ne moze obilaziti, prakticno samo u koloni po jedan moze da se prodje. Dakle, onaj ko bude najbrzi na pravcima i prvi stigne u taj krivudavi deo ce prvi iz njega i da izadje, jedino ako ga ne budu preskocili jer mesta da prodju pored njega tu nema.

 

Da se ja pitam (kao sto se ne pitam :lol+: ) je bih ovde bolid setapovao kao za Moncu pa kud puklo da puklo!


Edited by Rad-oh-yeah?, 16 June 2016 - 01:56.

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#24 Rad-oh-yeah?

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Posted 16 June 2016 - 02:10

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Edited by Rad-oh-yeah?, 16 June 2016 - 02:14.

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#25 alberto.ascari

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Posted 16 June 2016 - 05:38

Još i šikana.... :frust:


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#26 4_Webber

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Posted 16 June 2016 - 07:19

Uvek sam se nervirao kada ljude unapred govore kako je neka nova staza opasna, secam se recimo da je Norbert Haug rekao prilikom debija Valensije da ocekuje minimum tri Sejfti Kar izlaska, i nije se desilo apsolutno nista, ili sta ako nestane struje u Singapuru, sta ako se neko slupa ispod hotela u Abu Dabiju pa neko naleti na tog koga se slupao... Uvek sam pizdeo na to.

Ali, ovo je prvi put da se iskreno plasim da ce doci do nekog sranja. "Staza" mi izgleda jezivo nebezbedna, posebno deo oko ovog zamka. Daj Boze da bude najdosadnija trka ikada.


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#27 Rad-oh-yeah?

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Posted 16 June 2016 - 12:28

Ali, ovo je prvi put da se iskreno plasim da ce doci do nekog sranja. "Staza" mi izgleda jezivo nebezbedna, posebno deo oko ovog zamka. Daj Boze da bude najdosadnija trka ikada.

 

Deo oko zamka i nije nesto preterano nebezbedan jer se vozi brzinom od ~80 km/h. Ono sto tu brine je da ce svaki pa i najmanji incident voditi do blokirane staze koju ce nemoguce biti raskrciti bez crvene zastave. U najavi je permanentna zuta zastava od prvog do poslednjeg kruga ovde, sto bi bio jedan nivo farsicnosti do sada nedostignut u F1, a priznacete to nije lako s obzirom na sve sto smo imali prilike da vidimo za ovih 60 i kusur godina.

 

Mene vise brine onih 2,2 km "pravca". Na jednom delu staza je od staze u suprotnom smeru odvojena samo jednim redom zicane ograde. 

 

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Ova ograda je sve sto ce fizicki da razdvaja bolide koji prakticno ceono jure jedni ka drugima.

 

Takodje, taj pravac je prakticno tunel, relativno uzak, sa golim betonskim zidovima, kroz koji se prolazi brzinom od 340 km/h. Bilo kakav kontakt tamo ce biti strasno problematican, a kontakt tocak na tocak bi bio ravan avionskoj nesreci.

 

Evo kako krug izgleda iz F1 bolida:

 

 

Sa jednim bolidom je jos i OK, no ovde ce ih biti 22 odjednom...


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Posted 16 June 2016 - 12:32

Bernie Ecclestone says Formula 1 can race in Baku this weekend with a clear conscience, despite concerns expressed by human rights organisations.

The build-up to the European Grand Prix has led to calls from a number of organisations, including Amnesty International, for the sport to take a stand against alleged repression in Azerbaijan.

But Ecclestone has played down the situation, and said that he has no qualms about F1 hosting a race in the country.

When asked if he felt F1 had a clear conscience about holding a race in Azerbaijan, he said: "Absolutely. 100 percent."

He added: "The minute people tell me what human rights are, you can look at how, why and when it applies. Does anyone know what human rights are?"

Government criticism

When it was put to him that journalists had been imprisoned for criticising the government, Ecclestone said: "So they should….but it depends what they write."

When asked if there had been any feedback from teams, Ecclestone said: "No. I think probably like me they would like to know what human rights are. A lot of people are starving in the world and they have something to complain about."

He added: "We listen obviously and if people have got genuine complaints there is not a lot we can do because in all fairness.

"I don't know, freedom of speech and things like that – I think you get into trouble in most countries if you are anti some government or political people. Or in fact anybody. So it is not quite as easy as that."

Ecclestone also said that if F1 avoided countries where there was corruption then there would not be many places holding events.

"I tell you what we ought to do; as far as we are concerned, not have any races where there is corruption in the country. So where are we going to be racing?"

Mad idea

Ecclestone also praised the job local organisers had done with the track, which has been labelled by Sergio Perez as the most challenging venue on the calendar.

"When I laid it out in the first place I was told I was mad. Trying to get the old city and the new city together, but it looks like it has worked out alright," he said.

"I spoke to Nico [Rosberg] this morning and I said it was going to be a ballsy circuit. Contrary to what people thought when they looked at the plans."

He added: "We just left the greatest place in the world North America – and compared to here, it is a bit of a shit hole isn't it."


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Posted 16 June 2016 - 12:43

Hermann Tilke has played down fears F1’s newest venue in Baku might not be safe enough.

As the sport’s travelling circus set up in the historic Azerbaijan capital this week, two respected journalists wondered whether F1 had compromised safety by green-lighting the fastest ever street circuit.

Roger Benoit, writing for Blick, said the sport is preparing for its “most dangerous weekend” with speeds set to match or perhaps even surpass those seen at Monza.

“At those speeds, with walls on both sides and run-off scarce, the risk of serious consequences is great,” agreed Livio Orrichio, writing for Brazil’s Globo.

And as the drivers and engineers did their customary pre-weekend ‘track walks’, one unnamed source told Spain’s El Confidencial: “The walls are everywhere. It is a very dangerous circuit.”

But circuit architect Hermann Tilke said safety has been taken seriously in Baku.

“The corners are fast but very smooth with soft walls, the same technology as is used on the American ovals,” he said.

As for the extremely high speeds and the lack of run-off areas, Tilke answered: “That’s up to the FIA.

“They sent their delegate (Charlie Whiting) here and worked hard to make it safe.”

 

Dobro, to onda znaci da F1 vise nista ne sprecava da zakaze trku na Taladegi...


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Posted 16 June 2016 - 13:01

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