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#1 Splendini

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Posted 21 May 2015 - 17:07

Тема међународних финансија и економије је расута по пар парцијалних тема, па бих покушао да је оживим овим општим називом, јер сматрам да је подизање опште финансијске културе значајно и за лични и за општи интерес.

 

За почетак, поменуо бих питање негативних каматних стопа, и утицају на финансије и кретање капитала.

Још пре пар месеци поменуо сам ово питање из угла индивидуалног инвеститора или власника депозита у НИРП и ЗИРП окружењу( Ханс Шмит :lol: ), међутим, проблем о коме сам говорио се манифестовао на за мене неочекиваном месту. Наиме један швајцарски пензиони фонд је пре пар недеља сасвим логично затражио депозите у кешу, и банка је рекла НЕ, што је изазвало приличну нервозу код многих( и то уз одређену подршку централне банке без обзира на евентуалну незаконитост).

Ако се овакве ствари дешавају у Швајцарској...

Треба размислити о евентуалном рату против кеша, имамо бројне позиве економиста и банкара са више страна, а импликције су огромне: приватност, сива зона, криминал, промене у асет класама...

Сигуран сам да је сваки хеџ фонд менаџер у свету запазио ову вест. Оно што

покушавам да кажем је да постоје бројне последице ове помало неистражене територије.

 

http://www.ft.com/in...l#axzz3alkNbp3t

 

Предлози за читање:

 

-Бернанке:

http://www.econ.nyu....BGGHandbook.pdf

 

 

-Пипа Малгрем, бивша чланица Планџ протекшн тима:

Signals: The Breakdown of the Social Contract and the Rise of Geopolitics

 

*******

 

FT:

 
In what has been described as the most dramatic currency intervention in decades, the Swiss National Bank had just announced it was removing the SFr1.20 cap on the franc against the euro. The SNB also pushed interest rates on deposits deeper into negative territory, at -0.75 per cent.
The implications for Switzerland’s SFr800bn ($830bn) occupational pension fund sector, known as the second pillar of the industry, the first being the basic state pension, were considerable. The day the news broke, the Swiss franc surged 39 per cent against the euro while the country’s main equities index, the SMI, dropped 10 per cent.
Peter Zanella, head of retirement solutions at Towers Watson, the consultancy, in Zurich says: “The Swiss franc’s appreciation immediately had a very negative impact [on domestic pension funds]. There was a plunge in the Swiss equity market, while pension funds’ unhedged foreign investments were left in tatters.”
While fund managers and traders around the world lurched into action to close lossmaking positions and hedge their equity exposure, Switzerland’s pension funds began lobbying the central bank for exemption from the negative charges on deposits as a first step towards mitigating the damage.
The SNB denied the request. “The whole pension industry is very critical of this decision,” Mr Zanella says. “Every pension fund manager is worried about what is going on.”
The situation was bad before January and it just got worse after that
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Switzerland’s pension fund professionals believe the currency turmoil and the negative charges have created critical problems for a retirement system already under strain. Some suggest Swiss pension schemes will be bankrupt within 10 years as a result.
This is despite the fact that, by international standards, Switzerland’s occupational pension system is relatively robust; most of the country’s occupational schemes have an enviable asset to liabilities ratio of around 115 per cent.
Yet Swiss pension fund managers have become increasingly nervous about their ability to maintain that ratio in the past 12 months, largely because they are legally required to pay retirees an annuity equivalent to 6.8 per cent of their total savings on an annual basis.
This conversion rate — a subject of heated political discussion in Switzerland — is considered unsustainable. It was devised in 2003, when life expectancy was lower and performance expectations were higher.
Nervousness among pension fund managers about the strength of the second-pillar framework morphed into outright fear following the central bank’s January announcement.
Although Swiss equity markets have since bounced back, the problem remains that the country’s pension funds, which typically hold 5 per cent of their assets in cash, are being charged to maintain that liquidity.
To avoid paying negative rates on cash accounts, pension funds are examining a number of extreme alternatives, from transferring cash into vaults or bunkers to leasing medical equipment or supplying cheap mortgages to retirees. Other schemes have looked at providing annuity payments to pensioners as a lump sum for the year to offload the liquidity risk.
Further exacerbating pressure on the industry, Switzerland became the first government in history to sell benchmark 10-year debt at a negative interest rate in April. Jerome Cosandey, an economist at Avenir Suisse, the Swiss think-tank, says: “The situation was bad before January and it just got worse after that.”
These challenges have prompted an intense debate over which asset classes these pension funds should be invested in. Mr Zanella says: “All these things together clearly create big challenges. Should pension funds still hold Swiss 10-year government bonds when yields are negative? I wonder whether holding Swiss government bonds is even legal, but what alternatives do they have?”
I am not 100 per cent sure that [increased risk] is the optimal thing for the customers in the pension funds
- Martin Eling, University of St Gallen
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Although there is little evidence of a rush to buy alternatives and sell Swiss bonds, some pension funds have taken action. Axa Winterthur’s pension scheme has sold Swiss government bonds in favour of hedge funds and property.
The SFr21bn Migros Pensionskasse, the supermarket pension fund, similarly sold all its Swiss and European bonds with negative yields following the SNB’s January announcement. The SFr1.3bn Pensionskasse Stadt Luzern, the city council pension fund, has increased its maximum allocation for property to 38 per cent of assets and shifted away from bonds.
Mr Zanella believes other pension funds are likely to take on more risk “reluctantly” by investing in property, although he notes that “all pension managers [have doubts about] the true value of the [property market].”
The SNB is “very concerned” about potential overheating in the domestic property market, according to Mr Cosandey.
He adds that although the Swiss stock market has recovered since January, there is growing concern that “the strong Swiss franc could reduce economic output and have a negative impact [on equities].”
Martin Eling, professor of economics at the University of St Gallen, is deeply sceptical about the benefits of dropping bonds in favour of alternative asset classes.
He has instead called on the government to cut the mandatory annuity rate, increase social contributions per employee and raise the retirement age — proposals that are likely to be put to a public vote in 2018. He believes that without such action Switzerland’s occupational pension schemes risk going bankrupt within 10 years.
Mr Eling says: “The new asset classes the [pension funds] are investing in are all good investments with higher return potential — but this comes with the cost of higher risk. That is the biggest concern for me.
“I am not 100 per cent sure that [increased risk] is the optimal thing for the customers in the pension funds. The people who will pay for the SNB’s decision are those who want to save money.”
. . .
Second pillar: The Swiss occupational pension system
 
Switzerland’s occupational pension system, known as the second pillar of the social security framework, accounts for around SFr800bn of assets across 2,000 schemes.
Since the second pillar was established in 1985, the pension schemes have followed a defined contribution system whereby funding comes from employer and employee contributions.
Employees whose annual earnings exceed SFr21,150 ($22,140) are required to pay into their employer’s pension fund until the age of 65 for men or 64 for women.
At retirement, accumulated savings are converted into an annual annuity using a conversion rate currently set at 6.8 per cent.
Consultants, actuaries and pension fund managers have long argued that the conversion rate is too high and risks destabilising the entire system. These fears have worsened in recent months in the face of low or negative interest rates on cash holdings and bonds.
In an attempt to improve matters, Alain Berset, a Swiss federal councillor, has launched a pension reform package, named Altersvorsorge 2020, which would lower the conversion rate to 6 per cent and raise the retirement age for women to 65.
The proposal is being fine tuned by the government before it will be put to the public in a referendum expected to take place in 2018.
But Swiss pension experts are pessimistic about the likelihood of the package winning public approval. Swiss voters have rejected every pension reform proposal put to them over the past 15 years.

Edited by Splendini, 21 May 2015 - 19:12.


#2 batocko

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 11:33

Da je Daytrader tu  on bi nam mnogo pojasnio



#3 Dzordzo

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 12:37

Splendini secam se tvoje ocene da je pad vrednosti eura bio zicer. Ispravna odluka nadam se da si zaradio puno para.

 

Sto se tice globalne ekonomije ja ne vidim problem u samoj ekonomiji. Doduse vidim problem u firmama i drzavama koje su i koje sada odrzavaju sebe na aparatima uz pomoc jeftinih kredita. Neki su istim kreditima pokusali da finansiraju ekspanzije od kojih silom prilika neke nece uspeti. Mislim da kako se kamate na globalnom nivou budu povecavale tako cemo videti drzave i firme kako ubrzano propadaju. Grcka nam je sjajan primer sta se desi kada narkoman vise ne moze lako da dodje do droge.



#4 Splendini

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 13:27

Поздрав Џорџо,

 

Надам се да те мало повадила Теслина баКтерија  :D

као и да си нашао неки користан текст на "тајном" ФТ линку.

 

Ово са подизањем камата о чему причаш је виђено више пута, и у праву си, земље у развоју често награбусе после периода лаког новца.

Међутим, раст камата није баш тако известан, више имамо константне ФЕДове најаве које се понављају већ дуго.

Мада и Драги је понављао дуго Whatever it takes па су на крају и попустили монетарну пол.

Уопште се нисам шалио када сам те питао "Да ли се сећаш шта се десило када су последњи пут подизали камате?".

Погледај тајмлајн пре 2008 ако си заборавио :rolleyes: .   

Сличан резон важи и за САД као дужника као и за остале без обзира на пресу, јако су им танке границе.

 

Марти је поменуо Балтик драј, и истина је да га аналитичари прате и посматрају као индикатор, али има мала зачкољица да је изгледа у периоду када је био висок направљено доста бродова па и то сада има утицај на пад.



#5 Dzordzo

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 21:23

Tesla je bila zicer ;)

 

FT link je odlican hvala jos jednom.

 

Dizali su kamate pre kraha evo gledam opet i meni se i dalje cini da se negde desio "decoupling" i da sada pucaju u prazno ne znajuci u stvari sta ce da se desi sta god uradili. Teorija rasta je forsiranje inflacije kako bi ljudi ulagali u poslove a ne drzali novac u slamaricama a meni se cini da je ta teorija pala u vodu. Zato su se sada igraci na trzistu velikih para i adaptirali pa imamo negativne kamatne stope na obveznice i nikog ne mora da bude briga za inflaciju, trziste sve moze da podnese.

 

Ono sto je za mene ohrabrujuce je da ima dosta ljudi koji pricaju da li o manjim ili vecim padovima berzi, upozoravaju na uticaj "stock buyback" i kako se meri P/E i slicno. Sama ta cinjenica meni govori da ima dosta opreza u ljudima koji trguju. Najbitniji baloncic koji ce puci jeste onaj baloncic snova nerazvijenih i srednje razvijenih drzava da mogu da skoce u visu kategoriju. 



#6 Dzordzo

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Posted 23 May 2015 - 21:16

Ima naravno i slucajeva kao Apple koji dignu kredit da ne bi morali pare da prebacuju iz Irske u US da bi isplatili dividende a naravno koriste "double irish". 

 

Trickle down teoriju razumem ali ne bih se usudio da komentarisem o uspesnosti ili da li ima smisla uopste. Mogu da vidim zasto bi neko pomislio da je moguce tako poboljsati sveukupnu situaciju ali isto tako jasno je da ju je lako videti kao diskriminatorsku.

 

Potpisujem da ni FED-ovci ne znaju sta trziste misli niti oni na trzistu znaju sta drugi rade. Sutra da kazu da kamata ide gore ja ne bih znao da li ce berza da ode gore ili dole, toliko je sve pomesano i mislim da ce sistem preziveti dokle god se neko od velikih ne uplasi i ponovi 2008. Odlican opis se video u filmu "Margin call".

 

Ja nisam ekonomista pa je sve sto komentarisem iz laickog smera vise i logike, cini mi se da si teorijski dosta potkovaniji od prosecnog forumasa :)



#7 daljinac

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Posted 24 May 2015 - 13:12

 

Тема међународних финансија и економије је расута по пар парцијалних тема, па бих покушао да је оживим овим општим називом, јер сматрам да је подизање опште финансијске културе значајно и за лични и за општи интерес.

 

За почетак, поменуо бих питање негативних каматних стопа, и утицају на финансије и кретање капитала.

Још пре пар месеци поменуо сам ово питање из угла индивидуалног инвеститора или власника депозита у НИРП и ЗИРП окружењу( Ханс Шмит :lol: ), међутим, проблем о коме сам говорио се манифестовао на за мене неочекиваном месту. Наиме један швајцарски пензиони фонд је пре пар недеља сасвим логично затражио депозите у кешу, и банка је рекла НЕ, што је изазвало приличну нервозу код многих( и то уз одређену подршку централне банке без обзира на евентуалну незаконитост).

Ако се овакве ствари дешавају у Швајцарској...

Треба размислити о евентуалном рату против кеша, имамо бројне позиве економиста и банкара са више страна, а импликције су огромне: приватност, сива зона, криминал, промене у асет класама...

Сигуран сам да је сваки хеџ фонд менаџер у свету запазио ову вест. Оно што

покушавам да кажем је да постоје бројне последице ове помало неистражене територије.

 

http://www.ft.com/in...l#axzz3alkNbp3t

 

Предлози за читање:

 

-Бернанке:

http://www.econ.nyu....BGGHandbook.pdf

 

 

-Пипа Малгрем, бивша чланица Планџ протекшн тима:

Signals: The Breakdown of the Social Contract and the Rise of Geopolitics

 

*******

 

FT:

 
In what has been described as the most dramatic currency intervention in decades, the Swiss National Bank had just announced it was removing the SFr1.20 cap on the franc against the euro. The SNB also pushed interest rates on deposits deeper into negative territory, at -0.75 per cent.
The implications for Switzerland’s SFr800bn ($830bn) occupational pension fund sector, known as the second pillar of the industry, the first being the basic state pension, were considerable. The day the news broke, the Swiss franc surged 39 per cent against the euro while the country’s main equities index, the SMI, dropped 10 per cent.
Peter Zanella, head of retirement solutions at Towers Watson, the consultancy, in Zurich says: “The Swiss franc’s appreciation immediately had a very negative impact [on domestic pension funds]. There was a plunge in the Swiss equity market, while pension funds’ unhedged foreign investments were left in tatters.”
While fund managers and traders around the world lurched into action to close lossmaking positions and hedge their equity exposure, Switzerland’s pension funds began lobbying the central bank for exemption from the negative charges on deposits as a first step towards mitigating the damage.
The SNB denied the request. “The whole pension industry is very critical of this decision,” Mr Zanella says. “Every pension fund manager is worried about what is going on.”
The situation was bad before January and it just got worse after that
Tweet this quote
Switzerland’s pension fund professionals believe the currency turmoil and the negative charges have created critical problems for a retirement system already under strain. Some suggest Swiss pension schemes will be bankrupt within 10 years as a result.
This is despite the fact that, by international standards, Switzerland’s occupational pension system is relatively robust; most of the country’s occupational schemes have an enviable asset to liabilities ratio of around 115 per cent.
Yet Swiss pension fund managers have become increasingly nervous about their ability to maintain that ratio in the past 12 months, largely because they are legally required to pay retirees an annuity equivalent to 6.8 per cent of their total savings on an annual basis.
This conversion rate — a subject of heated political discussion in Switzerland — is considered unsustainable. It was devised in 2003, when life expectancy was lower and performance expectations were higher.
Nervousness among pension fund managers about the strength of the second-pillar framework morphed into outright fear following the central bank’s January announcement.
Although Swiss equity markets have since bounced back, the problem remains that the country’s pension funds, which typically hold 5 per cent of their assets in cash, are being charged to maintain that liquidity.
To avoid paying negative rates on cash accounts, pension funds are examining a number of extreme alternatives, from transferring cash into vaults or bunkers to leasing medical equipment or supplying cheap mortgages to retirees. Other schemes have looked at providing annuity payments to pensioners as a lump sum for the year to offload the liquidity risk.
Further exacerbating pressure on the industry, Switzerland became the first government in history to sell benchmark 10-year debt at a negative interest rate in April. Jerome Cosandey, an economist at Avenir Suisse, the Swiss think-tank, says: “The situation was bad before January and it just got worse after that.”
These challenges have prompted an intense debate over which asset classes these pension funds should be invested in. Mr Zanella says: “All these things together clearly create big challenges. Should pension funds still hold Swiss 10-year government bonds when yields are negative? I wonder whether holding Swiss government bonds is even legal, but what alternatives do they have?”
I am not 100 per cent sure that [increased risk] is the optimal thing for the customers in the pension funds
- Martin Eling, University of St Gallen
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Although there is little evidence of a rush to buy alternatives and sell Swiss bonds, some pension funds have taken action. Axa Winterthur’s pension scheme has sold Swiss government bonds in favour of hedge funds and property.
The SFr21bn Migros Pensionskasse, the supermarket pension fund, similarly sold all its Swiss and European bonds with negative yields following the SNB’s January announcement. The SFr1.3bn Pensionskasse Stadt Luzern, the city council pension fund, has increased its maximum allocation for property to 38 per cent of assets and shifted away from bonds.
Mr Zanella believes other pension funds are likely to take on more risk “reluctantly” by investing in property, although he notes that “all pension managers [have doubts about] the true value of the [property market].”
The SNB is “very concerned” about potential overheating in the domestic property market, according to Mr Cosandey.
He adds that although the Swiss stock market has recovered since January, there is growing concern that “the strong Swiss franc could reduce economic output and have a negative impact [on equities].”
Martin Eling, professor of economics at the University of St Gallen, is deeply sceptical about the benefits of dropping bonds in favour of alternative asset classes.
He has instead called on the government to cut the mandatory annuity rate, increase social contributions per employee and raise the retirement age — proposals that are likely to be put to a public vote in 2018. He believes that without such action Switzerland’s occupational pension schemes risk going bankrupt within 10 years.
Mr Eling says: “The new asset classes the [pension funds] are investing in are all good investments with higher return potential — but this comes with the cost of higher risk. That is the biggest concern for me.
“I am not 100 per cent sure that [increased risk] is the optimal thing for the customers in the pension funds. The people who will pay for the SNB’s decision are those who want to save money.”
. . .
Second pillar: The Swiss occupational pension system
 
Switzerland’s occupational pension system, known as the second pillar of the social security framework, accounts for around SFr800bn of assets across 2,000 schemes.
Since the second pillar was established in 1985, the pension schemes have followed a defined contribution system whereby funding comes from employer and employee contributions.
Employees whose annual earnings exceed SFr21,150 ($22,140) are required to pay into their employer’s pension fund until the age of 65 for men or 64 for women.
At retirement, accumulated savings are converted into an annual annuity using a conversion rate currently set at 6.8 per cent.
Consultants, actuaries and pension fund managers have long argued that the conversion rate is too high and risks destabilising the entire system. These fears have worsened in recent months in the face of low or negative interest rates on cash holdings and bonds.
In an attempt to improve matters, Alain Berset, a Swiss federal councillor, has launched a pension reform package, named Altersvorsorge 2020, which would lower the conversion rate to 6 per cent and raise the retirement age for women to 65.
The proposal is being fine tuned by the government before it will be put to the public in a referendum expected to take place in 2018.
But Swiss pension experts are pessimistic about the likelihood of the package winning public approval. Swiss voters have rejected every pension reform proposal put to them over the past 15 years.

 

Ovaj rat protiv kesa se izgleda mi zahuktava u evropi pre svega.Iz prostog razloga sto dug svih clanica nije kosolidovan u zajednicki, pa kao posledicu imamo da kriza u jednoj perifernoj ekonomiji(Grcka) preti bankarskom sistemu u Nemackoj. Nedavno su u Danskoj odobrili restoranima , benzinskim stanicama itd. da ne moraju da prihvataju kes.U Francuskoj limit za kes transakcije se smanjuje sa 3000E na 1000E.Francuzi inace smanjuju i zamenu valuta.Bilo je 8000e a sada 1000e.Pre neki dan na holandskoj televiziji emisija o ukidanju kesa (tamo inace nema sanse parking da platis kesom ).U Londonu je navodno bio sastanak Kennet Rogoff-a , Willem Butlera(glavnih zagovornika ukidanja kesa) sa predstavnicima centralnih banaka.BBC javlja da se u Britaniji karticama  trguje vise nego kesom. U Italiji su takodje smanjeni limiti(ne znam iz glave).U Francuskoj, u pogranicnim vozovima traze putnike koji prenose kes.

Sta je u svemu ovome poenta.Usled nedostatka privrednih aktivnosti,uprkos uvodjenju negativnih kamatnih stopa, dolazi do pravljenja budzetskih rupa.U tom smislu drzave pocinju hajku na kes.Vedrovatna je tendencija da se eliminise kes, kako bi se eliminisala siva ekonomija i dostigla 100% naplata poreza.To naravno moze imati za posledicu bekstvo kapitala iz Evrope



#8 Dzordzo

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 19:18

@Splendini

Mislim da su kretanja na berzi usled pomeranja kamatnih stopa u stvari samoostvarujuce prorocanstvo. Kao sto rekoh ranije na nekim temama mislim da smo u vremenu kada ce ekonomske teorije padati u vodu jer nikada nismo imali priliku da se globalno "drzave" takmice u slabljenju svoje valute.



#9 Dzordzo

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Posted 26 May 2015 - 08:34

@Splendini

U pravu si takmice se odavno i kad razmislim istina da su i sami kritikujemo jak dinar i da USA kritikuje Kineze jako dugo. Ono sto je meni sada ocigledno jeste da je takmicenje izmedju USA/EU/JP se toliko zaostrilo sto nije uvek bilo tako, ranije su se zemlje ponosile jakom valutom.

 

Citao sam i Black Swan i Fooled by randomness ako mislis na tog Taleba :) Nije morao dve knjige da pise dosta bi mu bila jedna. Znam da je izdao Antifragile ali nisam citao.



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Posted 27 May 2015 - 08:27

http://www.marketwat...=MW_latest_news

 

 

The yuan is now the region's leading currency for doing business with China, trumping the Japanese yen and the Hong Kong dollar as Beijing aggressively pushes its currency through international trade channels.

The currency now accounts for 31% of payments exchanged with China, up from 7% just three years ago, according to latest data from payments provider Society for World Interbank Financial Telecommunication.

As Asian countries increasingly trade directly with China and Hong Kong, the yuan is dominating as a payments currency. Its ascent comes as China opens clearing centers across the world, signs bilateral currency-swap deals and grants investment quotas to foreign investors. Data from Swift excludes central banks.

Last month, the yuan became one of the top currencies used by Canada for payments with China and Hong Kong. China recently appointed four clearing centers in the region, pushing forward the goal of making the currency more accessible and widely used. Data from Swift shows that the yuan accounts for more than 50% of payments exchanged between China and Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea and the Philippines.

Since 2012, of 26 countries in the region using the yuan for direct payments with China and Hong Kong, only nine are considered low users, compared with 19 in 2012.

The Chinese currency remains the fifth-most-used currency for global payments, accounting for just over 2% of payments across the world.

 

 

Kupus in fabula :)

 

Iako je verovatno u globalnoj trgovini mali pomak za trgovinu sa kinom toliki skok u koriscenju juana je ogroman.



#11 Schrodinger

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Posted 27 May 2015 - 17:07

-снажни раст цена хране,енергије,пореза у ЕУ или Србији

 

И наравно да ли сам у стању да предвидим претходно.

Naravno da si ovu stavku u stanju da nepogresivo predvidis. Jedino je pitanje vremenskih skala -- inace rast cena hrane je izvestan, pre svega kao indirektna posledica klimatskih promena i migracija poljoprivrednih zona za odredjene kulture. Pesimisti (= informisani realisti) bi ti rekli da to vec danas opazas bez problema na zelenoj pijaci. Za dalje, citaj IPCC, najnoviji report.



#12 Nimrod

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Posted 11 June 2015 - 18:50

 

-добра ствар је да се са растом Кине и Азије компетитивност мења у корис' Србије! Србија нови аутсорсинг рај!

Jel? A otkud to? Srbija nema nikakve bescarinske ugovore sa Kinom i Azijom a ono sto ima sa Rusijom, zavisi od bacuskine dobre volje a ne od ugovora. Sta se to menja pa ce Srbija postati outsourcing raj? Kina nema jeftinu radnu snagu ili je nema u blizini (Vijetnam, Laos, Filipini)? Sta ce i ko iz Kine i Azije outsourceovati u Srbiju sad/u buducnosti, sto nije mogao juce? 



#13 Nimrod

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Posted 11 June 2015 - 19:07

.. dupliran post

Edited by Nimrod, 11 June 2015 - 19:07.