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Ne kažem da je ovo nezasluženo, ali po meni tu nije bilo pitanja ko je trebao da uzme..da se ne zatrčavam, mislim da je Max sledeća velika stvar u F1

 

Njih dvojica su imali najviše obilaženja tokom sezone 

 

Max 49- 45 Jr

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http://www.skysports...ossos-james-key
 

Max Verstappen v Carlos Sainz comparisons more valid in 2016, says Toro Rosso's James Key
Technical boss James Key says Toro Rosso's two young stars have contrasting race styles, but both impressed in debut seasons
By James Galloway
Last Updated: 07/01/16 12:22pm

 
Toro Rosso's James Key says comparisons between team-mates Max Verstappen and Carlos Sainz will be better drawn this year in their second seasons of F1.

As the latest graduates from Red Bull's junior programme, Verstappen and Sainz proved two of the standout performers of last season with their results helping Toro Rosso to their best campaign in seven years.

Comparisons between the pair's driving styles were regularly made in their rookie campaigns, with Verstappen's overtaking prowess particularly catching the eye.

Key, the team's highly-rated technical director, says the set-ups they used were "quite similar" but there are differences in their approach to races.

"I suppose they're sensitive to slightly different things, but in a learning year that sometimes changes a bit race by race as the learning process goes on," he told Sky Sports.

"Max certainly in races is pretty aggressive and brave and that has won him a lot of praise and it's been excellent to watch. He's got confidence in himself and the car to go and make some moves that not everyone would risk.

"Carlos has also done a bit of that, maybe less visibly, but he's much more disciplined in the way he goes about things. So he thinks hard about what he's doing, what's coming up, and 'is it right to push now or do I need to wait, bring the tyres in later and really push?' So he's thinking a little bit more and as a result is perhaps slightly less aggressive, but with a longer-term plan in mind in the race.

"In qualy it's been pretty close between them. Max had the recent good form [he qualified ahead in five of the final seven races], but Carlos was top 10 in his first race, which was good and had a bit of bad luck of late.

"But comparisons will probably be better drawn next year [2016]."

Englishman Key, who joined Toro Rosso in 2012 from Sauber, acknowledges the immediate success of the pairing made them a "positive story for not just STR but the sport as well".

The 43-year-old says the team therefore can be confident that their driver line-up will pose no problems for them in the forthcoming season.

"They've both worked well together, they've been good to work with and they're super keen to go and prove themselves," Key said.

"So they are very motivated, very professional and what's pleased us is they're both good prospects. We know we're going to have two guys who are quick, talented and very focused and ambitious and they've got a year under their belt as well, so they are that little more step advanced."

 

Verstappen v Sainz in 2015
				Verstappen 		Sainz
Points 				49 			18
Best race finish 		4th (Hungary & USA) 	7th (USA)
Points finishes 		10 			7
Ahead in two-car finish 	5 			4
DNFs 				5 			7
Qualified ahead 		9 			10
Best qualifying 		6th (Malaysia & Spain) 	5th (Spain)
Q3 appearances 			9 			7

 

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Toro Rosso and Ferrari have played down media reports that are doing the rounds on Thursday.

A report in Italy suggested that although Toro Rosso will use Ferrari's 2015-specification engine this year, there is a chance the Red Bull junior team will upgrade to the latest version of the Maranello-built 'power unit' later in the season.

Both sides moved to dismiss the rumours.

"This is not even an issue for us," Toro Rosso team boss Franz Tost told Speed Week. "I have no idea where it even comes from."

And Ferrari spokesman Alberto Antonini added: "I've not even heard of that story.

"It would definitely not be easy to adapt a car to a different engine specification," he said. 

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Toro Rosso took on an 100 additional staff to cope with the challenge of preparing for the 2016 season.

The Faenza based team's schedule was thrown into chaos late last year amid the dispute between parent company Red Bull and Renault.

In the end, Red Bull stayed with Renault power for 2015, but the smaller Toro Rosso outfit was left at the eleventh hour with the task of adapting its 2016 car to a Ferrari engine.

"We have 480 people working at Toro Rosso now," boss Franz Tost told the Italian magazine Autosprint.

"This is because we have three working shifts to build the car, on which work started late," he explained. "By March we will reduce the number to 380, including those who work in the UK in the wind tunnel."

When asked if Toro Rosso will be ready for the 2016 season, Tost answered: "Yes, I would like more time, but our technical department has many experienced staff who optimise the time that we have.

"Also, the tests begin later this year than they did in 2015. So I am optimistic."

Carlos Sainz has been assigned the duty of debuting the STR11 at Barcelona on February 22, the opening day of official winter action.

But a further complication for Toro Rosso is that, in no longer having the same engine supplier, there is now less cooperation that Faenza can do with Red Bull.

"Unfortunately yes," said Tost. "For example, before we worked together on the hydraulics and now we have to do everything ourselves. Our cooperation will be less intense."

Toro Rosso is also responsible for its own gearbox.

"We can go to the Ferrari 'box only in 2017," said Tost. "When we were looking for a new supplier of engines, the work on the gearbox was already under way.

"Let's see how the situation develops. If the Ferrari gearbox will be more reliable, practical and cheap, we will use it," he added.

He would prefer, however, that Toro Rosso and Red Bull can once again move more closely together in the future.

"Perhaps we will go back to using the same engines," said Tost, "including for reasons of economy.

"Generally, the economic structure of the teams in F1 does not correspond with current (global) trends. Many major automakers are working together, and yet in formula one we spend money in parallel: each team does his own details, has its own wind tunnel.

"We spend huge amounts of money that could be saved through greater cooperation. Not only that, the cars would be closer together and the races more interesting.

"This is the vision of Dietrich Mateschitz, and thankfully he has proved he is able to look long-term. But there are teams with a technical advantage that are opposed to any form of cooperation.

"As for us, the technical collaboration with Red Bull is crucial for the future," he added.

What Tost is not worried about, he insists, is that Toro Rosso is having to use the so-called 'old' Ferrari engine this year.

"I do not think this engine is so old," said the Austrian, "as in the last race of last season, it was almost equal to the best." 

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New Toro Rosso one second faster – Verstappen

 

 

Feb.2 (GMM/Inautonews.com)

 

 

Toro Rosso’s new car is up to a second per lap faster than its 2015 predecessor.

 

That is the astonishing claim of meteoric F1 teenager Max Verstappen, ramping up expectations of a very good 2016 campaign for the junior Red Bull team.

Albeit with one of the best chassis on the grid, the Faenza based team struggled with its Renault power unit last year but has switched to 2015-spec Ferrari engines for 2016.

“It looks very good. It seems that we are eight tenths to one second (per lap) faster than last year,” Verstappen told the Dutch source Ziggo Sport.

“That’s a lot. We will probably make a bigger step than the teams that are simply getting a new version of their (existing) engine for 2016,” he added.

Verstappen, 18, explained: “For us, the engine is a big change.”

 

 

 

 

http://www.inautonew...ter-verstappen?

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Na koju foru oni mogu da znaju da su tacno 0.8 - 1 s brzi po krugu ako bolidi jos nisu ni sklopljeni sa novim motorima a ne da su makar i jedan krug izvezli na stazi? Mislim, postoje simulacije i tako to, ali bez stvarnih podataka kako se taj novi motor ponasa u sasiji ne moze se stvoriti realna slika, ako simulator "hranis" nerealnim parametrima i rezultati ce biti nerealni.

 

Mislim, mozda jesu brzi za bas toliko, a mozda su brzi samo za 0.2 - 0.5 s. A mozda i cele 2 - 3 s. Dok ne vidimo bolid na stazi to samo baba-Vanga moze da zna.

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Marchionne wanted Alfa Romeo-branded engine for Toro Rosso

 

 

Fiat-Chrysler president Sergio Marchionne apparently tried to convince Toro Rosso to accept an Alfa Romeo-branded power unit for 2016, according to German website Autobild.de.

Marchionne was keen on having the group's iconic subsidiary enter Formula 1 as an independent engine manufacturer, but ultimately Red Bull refused to foot a bill estimated at around 30 million euros to cover development costs, which put a halt to the plan.

Toro Rosso's power will be supplied by Ferrari this year although the Faenza-based outfit will use a one year-old specification engine.

In spite of its power-unit specification lag, Toro Rosso boss Franz Tost is still confident in his team's prospects: "It's still a step forward for us."

 

 

 

http://en.f1i.com/ne...oro-rosso.html?

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Toro Rosso was forced into a radical redesign of its 2016 Formula 1 car to accommodate its new Ferrari power unit, according to technical director James Key.

It was not until late last year Toro Rosso formally ditched engine partner Renault and reverted back to Ferrari, whom it had previously worked with from 2007-'13. That, however, meant a profound redevelopment of the STR11 that will hit the track for the first time on Monday when pre-season testing starts at the Circuit de Catalunya in Barcelona.

Explaining the alterations, Key said: "The design change was massive. It was completely different.

"What we tried to do was take the philosophy of what we had already designed - aerodynamically and mechanically - and adapt it to the Ferrari installation, rather than start again because you can't really start again in October/November.

"But the implications have been enormous. Everyone has worked incredibly hard for two to three months to get this together. And it's not just the shape of it. It's the specifications of everything. The cooling systems are different, the electronics are different, the software changes, the energy management strategies are new to us as well.

"So it's been a whole range of things we have to adapt to and learn."

There are hopes inside Faenza the car could be quicker this season compared to last by up to a second, and Red Bull boss Christian Horner expects his Renault-powered team to start the year behind Toro Rosso.

"Our predictions move around quite a bit as more information comes to light," added Key. "One second is a massive step from one year to the next. You'd normally expect to have quite a bit less than that. If you transfer all the aero performance we've found, that will be a reasonable step.

"The engine is a good step, but we need to see on track first how everything is working and whether we are able to make the most of that. But it's all relevant. We have a '15-spec engine, which is a really good step from Ferrari. Other people will have a '16 spec, and I don't know how much is in that.

"So while we might make a good step, it could be the case for others as well. We'll have to see what the performance is, but if the best predictions are right then it could be as much as that [a second improvement]."

 

Pisanje po Renou se nastavlja nesmanjenom zestinom. Dakle, za dva meseca su na brzinu nabudzili bolid da primi Ferarijevu makinu i ocekuju da sa tako sklepanom budzotinom odmah budu sekund ispred RBR sa sajdzijskim Renoom koji je od pocetka projektovan za njega...

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Ocekju da budu drzi do sekunde u odnosu na njihov proslogodisji bolid, ne u odnosu a RBR. To si i boldovao.

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Da, ocekuju da budu odmah sekund brzi od svog proslogodisnjeg bolida, a Horner veruje da ce STR biti brzi od RBR na pocetku sezone. Nisam dobro procitao.

 

U svakom slucaju veoma optimisticne procene s obzirom na tvrdnje da su morali da rade kompromis da ubudze Ferarijev motor u bolid dizajniran za Renoa i da su imali samo dva meseca da sve to sklope. Ako oni ocekuju da ce sa tako kompromitovanom sasijom biti ceo sekund brzi nego sa Renoom (i brzi nego RBR koji je od pocetka optimizovan za Reno) to znaci da smatraju da je Reno totalno beznadezan.

 

Realno, bas toliko cak ni Honda nije losa.