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#31 banebecej

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 16:14

Neke cinjenice koje nepismeni nemaju na umu kad pisu hvalospeve o KGB i SSSR:

1. Za drugi svetski rat odgovoran je SSSR isto koliko i nacisticka Nemacka, jer su zajedno, u savezu shodno paktu Ribbentrop-Molotov, napale i raskomadale Poljsku, toliko o pozitivnoj ulozi SSSR u istoriji. A to sto im je Hitler posle zabio noz u ledja - to je samo zato sto su bili glupi. BTW, podatak iz zvanicne istorije predavane na vojnoj akademiji u SFRJ: Staljin je odgovoran za vise ubistava ljudi od Hitlera i to uglavnom sopstvenih gradjana, Hitler je za njega bio malo dete.

2. Vladimir Putin ima bogatstvo u licnom vlasnistvu procenjeno na 40 milijardi dolara. Demokratija?

3. Za stanje u Ukrajini nije odgovorna EU, nego beda uzrokovana 70-godisnjim ropstvom pod sovjetskom cizmom. Formalno pravno, Ukrajina nikad nije pristupila SSSR, vec je doslovce bila okupirana i drzana u ropstvu. Ako ste pismeni - proverite u knjigama ili na internetu.

Nadam se da ce KGB staljinisticka bagra biti satrvena u blato sibira odakle je i izgmizala i da ce Ukrajina biti slobodna zemlja - clanica EU sto pre. SMRT STALJINIZMU!


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#32 DonJuan

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 18:58

banebecej obrati paznju kako se obracas drugim forumasima. Plus, relativizacija zlocina u Drugom svetskom ratu se nece tolerisati. Poslednja opomena.
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#33 bojanwish

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 19:26

Neke cinjenice koje nepismeni nemaju na umu kad pisu hvalospeve o KGB i SSSR:

1. Za drugi svetski rat odgovoran je SSSR isto koliko i nacisticka Nemacka, jer su zajedno, u savezu shodno paktu Ribbentrop-Molotov, napale i raskomadale Poljsku, toliko o pozitivnoj ulozi SSSR u istoriji. A to sto im je Hitler posle zabio noz u ledja - to je samo zato sto su bili glupi. BTW, podatak iz zvanicne istorije predavane na vojnoj akademiji u SFRJ: Staljin je odgovoran za vise ubistava ljudi od Hitlera i to uglavnom sopstvenih gradjana, Hitler je za njega bio malo dete.

2. Vladimir Putin ima bogatstvo u licnom vlasnistvu procenjeno na 40 milijardi dolara. Demokratija?

3. Za stanje u Ukrajini nije odgovorna EU, nego beda uzrokovana 70-godisnjim ropstvom pod sovjetskom cizmom. Formalno pravno, Ukrajina nikad nije pristupila SSSR, vec je doslovce bila okupirana i drzana u ropstvu. Ako ste pismeni - proverite u knjigama ili na internetu.

Nadam se da ce KGB staljinisticka bagra biti satrvena u blato sibira odakle je i izgmizala i da ce Ukrajina biti slobodna zemlja - clanica EU sto pre. SMRT STALJINIZMU!

Kakav bre staljinizam ti spominjes, niko ne prica o staljinizmu. Ovde se radi o jednom gorem diktatoru a to je eu.

Pogledaj bre sta su uradili od malih i slabih zemalja, napravili robove od njih, to ti je moderni staljinizam. Mislis da bugari, Hrvati il Madjari imaju dobre poslove u eu, idu i ciste im biroe, to je buducnost!


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#34 banebecej

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 19:41

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#35 banebecej

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 19:43

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Jadno & bedno. Forum.b92 u dve reci.


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#36 Bite my shiny metal ass

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 20:11

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#37 Schrodinger

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Posted 02 December 2013 - 20:19

Kakav bre staljinizam ti spominjes, niko ne prica o staljinizmu. Ovde se radi o jednom gorem diktatoru a to je eu.

Ne lupetaj bre ovako monstruozno. EU je znaci odgovorna za vise od 20 miliona mrtvih, prinudno raseljavanje citavih naroda, otvaranje sistema od stotina gulaga i robovsku privredu u njima? EU je krivlja nego da je slala ljude bez sudjenja da godinama seku drva ili kopaju nikl na -40 stepeni? EU je tenkovima suzbijala svaki pokusaj slobode govora i misli? EU je cenzurisala vise od dva miliona (!) knjiga, kao sto su radili KGB cenzori tokom staljinizma?

 

Ovakve zlocinacke gluposti su potpuno identicne poricanju holokausta ili prici o tome da su gasne komore u Ausvicu zapravo bile tus kabine. Sramota!

 

 

Pogledaj bre sta su uradili od malih i slabih zemalja, napravili robove od njih, to ti je moderni staljinizam. Mislis da bugari, Hrvati il Madjari imaju dobre poslove u eu, idu i ciste im biroe, to je buducnost!

Ne, buducnost im je u ruskom narucju, sigurno? Sad ce da dodju cike u belom, ne brini...



banebecej obrati paznju kako se obracas drugim forumasima. Plus, relativizacija zlocina u Drugom svetskom ratu se nece tolerisati. Poslednja opomena.

Ali zato izgleda da se relativizacija sovjetskih zlocina tolerise, zar ne?


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#38 sizzling

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 00:02

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Jadno & bedno. Forum.b92 u dve reci.

 

Pa evo ti potpisi peticiju za vojnu intervenciju u Ukrajini:

 

https://petitions.wh...kraine/PX9f3JxV

 

Ljudima ovde fali 91.250 potpisa, a ti se svadjas sa forumasima... :ajme:


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#39 DonJuan

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 00:03

Attack pages try to install programs that steal private information...

 

Jadno & bedno. Forum.b92 u dve reci.

Nadji novi forum.


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#40 DonJuan

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 00:10

 

Ali zato izgleda da se relativizacija sovjetskih zlocina tolerise, zar ne?

Prvo, ne dozvoljava se relativizacija ni jednog zlocina. Drugo, nacin obracanja drugim forumasima je, blago receno prostacki. Trece - ovo ne moze da prodje nikako - "Staljin je odgovoran za vise ubistava ljudi od Hitlera i to uglavnom sopstvenih gradjana, Hitler je za njega bio malo dete". Svi znamo ko je Staljin, i svi znamo i da je bio manijak i ubica, i zlocinac, ali praviti ovakve paralele je blago receno smece.

 

A ponasanje posle toga je samo dokaz da sam bio u pravu.


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#41 Schrodinger

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 03:27

Skup slabo artikulisanih tvrdnji da 

 

 niko ne prica o staljinizmu. Ovde se radi o jednom gorem diktatoru a to je eu.

Pogledaj bre sta su uradili od malih i slabih zemalja, napravili robove od njih, to ti je moderni staljinizam

 

se tesko moze citati drugacije nego kao relativizacija zlocina staljinizma (doduse i relativizacija robovlasnistva, ali hajde de, posto je staljinizam bio dvadesetovekovno robovlasnistvo moze se smatrati jedinstvenim "stavom"). Koja je vrlo uvredljiva za PRAVE zrtve PRAVIH gulaga i PRAVIH masovnih preseljenja, kolektivizacija, izgladnjavanja, cenzure, itd. Anti-evropskim metaforama preuzetim od strane evrofobnih fashista tipa onog Najdzela Feredze se samo rugaju zrtvama. Da je umesto ovoga pomenuo Hitlera i "Cetvrti rajh" kao sto su standardno radili milosheskuovi propagandisti, onda bi to svakako bilo sporno, zar ne? Ovako, sve dok se u EU ne bude video prvi pravi gulag, sa sve psima, bodljikavom zicom, svakodnevnim likvidacijama, kapoima, izgladnjavanjem, prinudnim radom na minus 40, itd. ovo napisano ostaje moralna fekalija - a samo je na higijenskom znanju i osecaju nadleznih hoce li biti uklonjeno ili ne. 


Edited by Schrodinger, 03 December 2013 - 03:29.

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#42 thomy

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 06:03

Pa evo ti potpisi peticiju za vojnu intervenciju u Ukrajini:

 

https://petitions.wh...kraine/PX9f3JxV

 

Ljudima ovde fali 91.250 potpisa, a ti se svadjas sa forumasima... :ajme:

Ti si vise za ovu peticiju:

 

http://www.novayagaz...ews/191447.html

 

Deputat gradskog saveta  Sevastopolja Smolyaninov zove predsednika putina da vojno reaguje.

 

Potpisi se skupljaju po gradskoj socijalnoj mrezi.

 

Edit: Sevastopolja


Edited by thomy, 03 December 2013 - 06:07.

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#43 sizzling

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 09:45

Demonstracije "mirnih" gradjana Ukrajine se nastavljaju:

 


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#44 DonJuan

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Posted 03 December 2013 - 18:55

Kakav bre staljinizam ti spominjes, niko ne prica o staljinizmu. Ovde se radi o jednom gorem diktatoru a to je eu.

Pogledaj bre sta su uradili od malih i slabih zemalja, napravili robove od njih, to ti je moderni staljinizam. Mislis da bugari, Hrvati il Madjari imaju dobre poslove u eu, idu i ciste im biroe, to je buducnost!

Kompjuter mi nije radio kako treba juce, pa mi je ovo promaklo.

 

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#45 thomy

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 06:57

The most interesting thing for me in Evromaydane - the difference between Ukraine and Russia .
 
Revealed that the three millionth in Kiev million people able to go out, if he feels insulted the president's decision . And in the 14 millionth number of protesters in Moscow hottest December protests measured , God forbid, 100 thousands.
 
What is the reason for this difference ? I think in the oil.
 
In fourteen millionth Moscow 100 % of the population somehow lives on oil revenues . This oil seeps food packages in the apartment pensioners voting for the "United Russia ", in additional payments to police , she feeds tens of thousands of personal drivers who carry officials and penetrating psychology servants , officials, members of their families , she gurgles in expensive restaurants and even in cafe for middle class, where managers and sysadmins spend the money allocated , ultimately , from the master's oil arm , and - of course , a million migrant workers working together millions of Muscovites , who lives in return for free - is also oil . Oil - it's pecking order. And do not be confused by the meager size of freebies . Less than a sop to those at the bottom , the more their thirst for gratitude and identify themselves for election to those who distribute these handouts .
 
In Ukraine there is no oil . Three million inhabitants of Kiev earn what you earn . As a result, they disappear feeling appreciative of the social hierarchy and pecking order correct . Yanukovych for them - just one of the reasons for the mess , thanks to which the average resident of Kiev beats like a fish on the ice and can not normally make .
 
In full accordance with the laws of dialectics quantity turns into quality . Million and one hundred thousand protesters - this is the difference that makes a legitimate mode of - illegitimate. That makes even the closest associates of Yanukovych to resign , and the Party of Regions deputies - to leave the party. Not because they love people, but because they do not want to serve the loser . And Yanukovych think lost.
 
Most likely, he will hold power now (after all , he legitimately elected president ) , but he is : a) to lose in 2015 and b) after attempting to hold on to power is behind bars .
 
I predict that he will lose , for the simple reason that even before Evromaydana ratings gave him, at the exit to the second round , 19%, and Klitschko - 36 % of the vote . I predict that he will try to hold on to power , for the simple reason that in the framework of non-European paradigm , which he himself chose , president , election loser - sits . That is, trying in 2015 to cancel the results of the elections , Yanukovych will not lose anything .
 
The rest of the story of European integration of Ukraine is remarkable that all three parties that participated in it , namely the European Union, Putin and Yanukovych is demonstrated irrational behavior .
 
The European Union has demonstrated irrational behavior because Ukraine was ready to associate any cost and even , eventually , removed the requirement to release Tymoshenko. Ukraine that oil smeared ? It is a country with a semi-authoritarian leader and ruined economies . This 46 million poor Ukrainians , many of whom commute to work in Russia , while the abolition of visas (which for European integration happen sooner or later ) gush in Europe, as the Romanian Gypsies , or Libyan refugees . Question: Why Europe needs Ukraine ? Answer: For the same reason Greece . EU officials , especially in a crisis, it is important to expansion at all costs.
 
Putin demonstrated irrational behavior , because he understands geopolitics. Russia - a country with a corrupt economy and murdered African crime and death , but even Putin can not think of it somehow regulate . He sincerely believes that the main concern of the ruler is to strengthen the prestige of the country , which he understands as mad money on the Olympics , vote buying every Nauru during Expo 2020 , as well as political annihilation at all costs any ruler of the CIS countries , on which Putin offended.
 
The hardest thing , of course, understand the behavior of Yanukovych. I've got only two versions. One comes from the fact that at the meeting with Putin, Yanukovych Yanukovych promised to , say, a billion , and Yanukovych thought elections to the 15th , I still do not win , it is better to take a billion -and-run .
 
The second version is that the power of mind-blowing , and absolute power is absolutely mind-blowing , and Yanukovych sincerely believes that the elections in 2015, he could win . Then he said something like: " Hey , lad , look at Saakashvili and Yushchenko. All the people who are against Putin , transformed into political nothingness. Want some? " And as people who said it , no idea what could be Evromaydan , Yanukovich also could not imagine it .
 
In any case, you can be sure of one thing. Neither of the contracting parties - neither Yanukovych nor Putin - without a second thought about the economy of their own countries . Yanukovych thought only about power (or power and pasterns ) , and Putin - geopolitics as he understands it .
 
 

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