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#1 DonJuan

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 20:09

Posle ozbiljnih politickih previranja u Ukrajini u zadnjih desetak godina, cini se da je trenutno situacija u tacki usijanja. 

 

Posle odbijanja Ukrajine da potpise SSP sa EU, doslo je do krvavih obracuna policije i demonstranata u Kijevu. Danasnja situacija pokazuje stotinak hiljada Uktajinaca koji zele da se okrenu EU, a ne Rusiji. Ovo naravno, moze da izazove novu krizu u regionu, moguc sukob velikih razmera u Ukrajini, ali i novu gasnu krizu. Obzirom da je Ukrajna i dalje veliki duznik za ruski gas, a to je Rusima i dalje dosta jak adut, osebno ako se i zapadni faktor umesa u situaciju u Ukrajini.

 

Od narandzaste revolucije zemlja nije bila u ovolikoj krizi, a kako mediji javljaju demonstranti su zauzeli vec nekoliko vladinih zgrada u Kijevu. Demonstranti skandiraju - Revolucija, revolucija...

 

Ovo je danasnja vest....

 

 

 

 

Mass demonstrations shake Kiev as Ukrainians call for revolution

 


 

Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians took to the streets of central Kiev on Sunday calling for a “revolution” to oust the president’s “bandit regime” that is seeking to strengthen relations with Russia at the expense of the EU.

By midday, the crowds in the capital had swelled to 350,000, according to a Reuters estimate, in the largest demonstrations since the 2004 pro-democracy Orange Revolution.

 

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Most people venting their anger against President Viktor Yanukovich’s government were peaceful but eyewitnesses reported that a large group of protesters had tried to use a tractor to break through police lines around the presidential building. Security forces responded with tear gas and flash grenades. Another group broke into the Kiev mayor’s office, Ukrainian television reported.

On Saturday riot police crushed protests by pro-EU activists against the president’s decision last week to back out of historic EU integration agreements, and instead seek closer ties with Moscow.

Following the police crackdown, the EU issued a statement “strongly condemning” “the excessive use of force last night by the police in Kiev to disperse peaceful protesters, who over the last days in a strong and unprecedented manner have expressed their support for Ukraine’s political association and economic integration with the EU”.

In Kiev, huge crowds converged on the capital’s main streets, chanting “Out with the bandits, and Glory to Ukraine”.

Yury Lutsenko, one of the protest leaders and a former interior minister who was imprisoned for two years after Mr Yanukovich took over as president in 2010, addressed the crowds saying: “This is no longer a demonstration. This is a revolution. Our objective is clear now.”

“The Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine dies today,” he added. “This is its funeral.”

Crowds chanted in approval: “Revolution, Revolution”.

Arseniy Yatseniuk, former foreign minister, called for the protesters to leave the area around the presidential building saying the violence there was sparked by provocateurs allied to Mr Yanukovich.

“We know that the president wants to hold a national security and defence council meeting to call a state of emergency,” Mr Yatseniuk said.

A government spokesperson quoted by Interfax-Ukraine news agency said the situation in the capital was under control.

There was no information about the whereabouts and response of Mr Yanukovich, who is under fire for his centralisation of power, for jailing of opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko and for widespread corruption. His spokesmen did not respond to requests for comment. But speaking on condition of anonymity, several government advisers conceded he could be toppled.

“The next few days will be critical, clearly,” said Timothy Ash, an analyst at Standard Bank. “The opposition appear to now have momentum on their side and will aim to use this to their advantage. Yanukovich faces the choice of either trying to re-impose control through the use of the security services or police, or negotiation.”

The protesters in the capital were in no doubt that Mr Yanukovich should stand down.

“This is a revolution,” said 43-year-old housewife Iryna Tomashenko, standing in a massive crowd of youths, parents and pensioners in Independence Square and along Khreshchatyk, Kiev’s main avenue.

“We have a beautiful nation with good people. Yanukovich must go. He sent the police to beat our children. Shame on him. We’ll take him down,” she added.

“It’s time to oust this regime, bring our country back towards democracy and Europe,” said Denis Denisenko, a Kiev resident.

On Sunday morning, Vitaly Zakharchenko, a Yanukovich loyalist who heads the Interior Ministry, called for calm warning that instability could bring bloodshed and chaos.

“What bloody war? What, we want to go the way of Libya and Tunis? If there will be calls for massive upheaval, we will react,” Mr Zakharchenko warned.

There was no mass police presence in downtown Kiev where the majority of crowds gathered. But thousands of riot police were deployed to protect the presidential office and government buildings.

Mykola Azarov, prime minister, urged citizens on Sunday to avoid upheaval, warning that it would hurt the country’s already ailing economy and currency stability.

Stepan Havrysh, a political commentator and former deputy national security chief, said in an afternoon television interview: “The people’s peaceful demonstrations have transformed into a revolutionary state.”

“There is no more trust in the president” from the people or his political allies, Mr Havrysh added, saying that a handful of once loyal lawmakers were leaving his party.

He predicted that the president would probably lose his majority in parliament within days.

Mykhailo Volynets, leader of Ukraine’s independent coalminers’ union which has a big membership in Mr Yanukovich’s heartland of industrial eastern Ukraine, said a split in the country was unlikely.

“People in eastern Ukraine are also very disillusioned in Mr Yanukovich and his ways. They are not getting their salaries on time. They are tired of this oppression. They won’t stand up for him,” he said.

 

 

Da li Ukrajina na pragu "nove" revolucije?


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#2 sizzling

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 20:26

La revolución no será televisada!

 


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#3 DonJuan

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 20:47

Hvala, vidim da je blokran saobracaj u centru Kijeva, i da se demontranti setaju slobodno...

 

Mada kamera, slucajno ili namerno ne prikazuje bas masu :)


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 20:52

Pa neke tu velike mase nikada nije ni bilo. Ja satima gledam ovaj "performans" i pucam od smeha citajuci komentare... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Svega tu ima: Rusa, Srbova, Ukrainaca, Poljaka, Gruzina...


Edited by sizzling, 01 December 2013 - 20:53.

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 21:01

Posle ozbiljnih politickih previranja u Ukrajni u zadnjih desetak godina, cini se da je trenutno situacija u tacki usijanja. 

 

Posle odbijanja Ukrajne da potpise SSP sa EU, doslo je do krvavih obracuna policije i demonstranata u Kijevu. Danasnja situacija pokazuje stotinak hiljada Uktajinaca koji zele da se okrenu EU, a ne Rusiji. Ovo naravno, moze da izazove novu krizu u regionu, moguc sukob velikih razmera u Ukrajni, ali i novu gasnu krizu. Obzirom da je Ukrajna i dalje veliki duznik za ruski gas, a to je Rusima i dalje dosta jak adut, osebno ako se i zapadni faktor umesa u situaciju u Ukrajni.

 

Od narandzaste revolucije zemlja nije bila u ovolikoj krizi, a kako mediji javljaju demonstranti su zauzeli vec nekoliko vladinih zgrada u Kijevu. Demonstranti skandiraju - Revolucija, revolucija...

 

Ovo je danasnja vest....

 

 

 

 

 

 

Da li Ukrajna na pragu "nove" revolucije?

 

Slazem se ja da je ogroman dug za gas jak adut Rusiji, ali mislim da je jos veci adut to sto je Ukrajina suvise bilzu Rusijii da bi tek tako mogla da se oslobodi jakog uticaja Rusija, plus onih 22 % Rusija u drzavi od oko 50 milona ljudi nije malo.. Jos te 2004 godine, Ukrajina je bila pred podelom i raspadom, i ako bi se ponovila revolucija, verujem da bi ovog puta zaista doslo do raspada drzave na dva dela, istocni koji je za Rusiju, i zapadni koji je za EU. U razvoju ovakve situacije, NATO bi ovde bio nemocan, jer naravno, ne bi mogao da bombarduje Ruse kao sto je nas bomboradovao. Rusija bi naravno, pomogala svoje pristalice sto finansijski, sto politicki, a i vojno ako bi za to bilo potrebe... Ja zaista verujem da ako bi i ovaj put uspela revolucija, niko ne bi mogao da spreci raspad Ukrajine, a mozda i neki gradjanski rat. Ipak je to ogromna drava sa mnogo stavnovika, a ulog je veliki za obe strane, i nijedna strana ne bi tek tako pustila da izbubi veliku Ukrajinu. 


Edited by Mala Suncica :), 01 December 2013 - 21:02.

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Posted 01 December 2013 - 21:03

Mada, ja verujem da ove revolucije nema nista, jer je suvise neozbiljno, i ni nalik 2004 godini... Niko od kredibilih analiticara ovo ne shvata ozbiljno koliko sam ja primetila. 


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 21:06

Mada, ja verujem da ove revolucije nema nista, jer je suvise neozbiljno, i ni nalik 2004 godini... Niko od kredibilih analiticara ovo ne shvata ozbiljno koliko sam ja primetila. 

Na primer?


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 21:07

Slazem se ja da je ogroman dug za gas jak adut Rusiji, ali mislim da je jos veci adut to sto je Ukrajina suvise bilzu Rusijii da bi tek tako mogla da se oslobodi jakog uticaja Rusija...

 

I Poljska je blizu Rusije, kao i Baltičke republike pa se nisu prepustile Rusiji.

Završiće se ovo porazom ruske marionetske vlade. Broj demonstranata se povećava a čitam da je Janukovič danas izjavio da će uraditi što je u njegovoj moći da se ubrza približavanje Ukrajine EU. Samo odlaže sopstveni silazak sa vlasti ovaj rusofilski pajac.


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 21:08

Mada, ja verujem da ove revolucije nema nista, jer je suvise neozbiljno, i ni nalik 2004 godini... Niko od kredibilih analiticara ovo ne shvata ozbiljno koliko sam ja primetila. 

 


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 21:11

Na primer?

 

Pa ko je izasao i rekao "ovo je pad Viktora" ? Kada god nesto komentarisu i kada je gusto, izadju na svim mogucim kanalima vesti da je ovo "pad rezima" da "tiranin broji poslednje dane" itd... Pa kada cak ni Al-Dzazira nema neke senzacionalne vesti, onda ti je jasno koliko je sati, a oni su najpoznatiji u napumpavanju prica.


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 21:13

I Poljska je blizu Rusije, kao i Baltičke republike pa se nisu prepustile Rusiji.

Završiće se ovo porazom ruske marionetske vlade. Broj demonstranata se povećava a čitam da je Janukovič danas izjavio da će uraditi što je u njegovoj moći da se ubrza približavanje Ukrajine EU. Samo odlaže sopstveni silazak sa vlasti ovaj rusofilski pajac.

 

Da, ali Poljska nema XXXXX milijardi duga, i nema 11 milona etnickih Rusa na svojoj reritoriji (koji su spojeni sa Rusijom) i jos par miliona Ukrajinaca koji drze Putinovu sliku u novcaniku...  


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 21:15

Pa ko je izasao i rekao "ovo je pad Viktora" ? Kada god nesto komentarisu i kada je gusto, izadju na svim mogucim kanalima vesti da je ovo "pad rezima" da "tiranin broji poslednje dane" itd... Pa kada cak ni Al-Dzazira nema neke senzacionalne vesti, onda ti je jasno koliko je sati, a oni su najpoznatiji u napumpavanju prica.

Mene zanima koga ti smatras krediblnim analiticarima. Rekla si da se niko nije oglasio, pa me zanima na koga mislim. Al Jazira tesko de je olicenje kredibilnosti.


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 21:17

Da, ali Poljska nema XXXXX milijardi duga, i nema 11 milona etnickih Rusa na svojoj reritoriji (koji su spojeni sa Rusijom) i jos par miliona Ukrajinaca koji drze Putinovu sliku u novcaniku...  

 

A Ukrajina će se spasti kao Srbija tako što će svoje resurse i projekte prepustiti Rusiji?

Ukrajincima je to jasno ovim odbijanjem marionetske ukrajinske vlade da potpiše sporazum sa EU a kako vreme odmiče cela Ukrajina će se ujediniti oko istog cilja- okretanja leđa Rusiji.

Ja verujem da ti nosiš Asadovu i Putinovu sliku u novčaniku ali ne verujem da je to toliko rašireno u Ukrajini (kako bi ti volela da je).


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 21:18

Evo malo "mirnih mitingasa" iz Kijeva:

 


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 21:21

Mene zanima koga ti smatras krediblnim analiticarima. Rekla si da se niko nije oglasio, pa me zanima na koga mislim. Al Jazira tesko de je olicenje kredibilnosti.

 

 

Mislim, da li si video na CNN-u da je ovo glavna vest? Da li si video na BBC-u da je ovo glavna vest?

Da li je igde pompezno najvavljeno rusenje vlasti u Kijevu? Ne mora da se misli konkretno na neko ime kada se to kaze. Vest da pada vlast u drzavi od 50 milona ljudi koja se granici sa Rusijom i koja ima proruskog coveka na celu, na Zapadu mora da bude senzacija. Bila bi senzacija da od ovoga ima nesto, ali nema.. To i oni vide.


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