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Slucaj Snouden-stanje ljudskih prava
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Posted 21 August 2013 - 17:18
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Posted 21 August 2013 - 17:47
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Ja mislim da nikada isprazni luzeri i raznorazna blebetala nisu imala priliku da vise potvrde svoje mediokritetsko bivstvovanje nego tokom ove dve zvizdacke afere, gde su umislili da su oni centar sveta, a njihovo bedno internetsko zuborenje, idiotske slicke, nepismenost i nemusto lupetanje proglasili za 'osnovno ljudsko pravo'.
Tim anticivilizacijskim moronima treba priustiti desetogodisnji odmor u raznim Kubama, S. Korejama i Rusijama pa da iz revolucionarnih edenskih vrtova kevcu protiv 'anglo_saksonske tiranije'.
Kako sam vec vise puta pisao za takve: zivot i kad je najbolji - ume da bude nepodnosljiv.
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Posted 21 August 2013 - 21:00
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>> ... Svet | sreda 21.08.2013 | 18:44
Vikiliks: Strateška pobeda Meninga
Izvor: Tanjug
London -- Vikiliks ocenio kao "stratešku pobedu" presudu od 35 godina za američkog vojnika Bredlija Meninga, osuđenog zato što je tom sajtu odavao poverljive informacije ... <<
Tja, - ocekujem i 'stratesku pobedu' Snoudena.
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Posted 22 August 2013 - 23:58
Pa, ako se ne boje gasenja - neka probaju da objave nesto.
Pa naravno da ce i dalje da objavljuju. Nije Britanija isto sto i Sovjetski Savez, a sve i da jeste, kome trebaju dva Sovjetska Saveza (Rusije, stagod).
Edited by Atreid, 23 August 2013 - 00:43.
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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:40
JUDITH: I do feel, Reg, that any Anti-Imperialist group like ours must reflect such a divergence of interests within its power-base.
REG: Agreed. Francis?
FRANCIS: Yeah. I think Judith's point of view is very valid, Reg, provided the Movement never forgets that it is the inalienable right of every man--
STAN: Or woman.
FRANCIS: Or woman... to rid himself--
STAN: Or herself.
FRANCIS: Or herself.
REG: Agreed.
FRANCIS: Thank you, brother.
STAN: Or sister.
FRANCIS: Or sister. Where was I?
REG: I think you'd finished.
FRANCIS: Oh. Right.
REG: Furthermore, it is the birthright of every man--
STAN: Or woman.
REG: Why don't you shut up about women, Stan. You're putting us off.
STAN: Women have a perfect right to play a part in our movement, Reg.
FRANCIS: Why are you always on about women, Stan?
STAN: I want to be one.
REG: What?
STAN: I want to be a woman. From now on, I want you all to call me 'Loretta'.
REG: What?!
LORETTA: It's my right as a man.
JUDITH: Well, why do you want to be Loretta, Stan?
LORETTA: I want to have babies.
REG: You want to have babies?!
LORETTA: It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them.
REG: But... you can't have babies.
LORETTA: Don't you oppress me.
REG: I'm not oppressing you, Stan. You haven't got a womb! Where's the foetus going to gestate?! You going to keep it in a box?!
LORETTA: crying
JUDITH: Here! I-- I've got an idea. Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb, which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans', but that he can have the right to have babies.
FRANCIS: Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother. Sister. Sorry.
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Posted 23 August 2013 - 15:48
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Kako covek moze da poveruje elementarnim sociopatama i pomisli da bi oni nesto mogli da mu kazu / 'otkriju istinu'?
Koju?
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Posted 23 August 2013 - 15:51
Pa naravno da ce i dalje da objavljuju. Nije Britanija isto sto i Sovjetski Savez, a sve i da jeste, kome trebaju dva Sovjetska Saveza (Rusije, stagod).
Aha, dobri su kad "objavljuju" a nisu dobri kada hoće da uhapse Asanža (onda su dobre i latinoameričke diktature).
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Posted 23 August 2013 - 17:03
What Snowden and Manning Don't Understand About Secrecy
Mark Bowden - The Atlantic
Manning and Snowden are wholesale leakers. I can’t know this for a fact, but I suspect they were not completely aware of all they carried off. It isn’t just that they didn’t completely understand what they were leaking; they literally did not know what all of it was. Computers enable individual operators to open floodgates. Out spills everything, the legitimate along with the illegitimate. It’s easy, and it’s irresponsible. It proceeds from a Julian Assange-influenced, comic-book vision of the world where all governments are a part of an evil plot against humanity.
Snowden may have found a way to punish himself worse. He has turned himself into an enduring symbol of idiocy by fleeing the oppressive grip of Barack Obama for the open arms of that great civil libertarian, Vladimir Putin.
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Posted 23 August 2013 - 17:08
Naravno da lajavi krelci (kad vidiš onu pogubljenu Snoudenovu facu dok daje intervju, a bio je kao obaveštajac, znaš o kakvom je luzeru reč) nisu svesni svojih postupaka. Neće mi niko reći da je Mening lično pročitao svaki od 700.000 dokumenata koje je predao onom novom Putlerovom kućnom ljubimcu.
Edited by melankolic, 23 August 2013 - 17:11.
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Posted 23 August 2013 - 20:13
Neće mi niko reći da je Mening lično pročitao svaki od 700.000 dokumenata koje je predao onom novom Putlerovom kućnom ljubimcu.
Nije ni morao da cita. Dokumenti su klasirani su u razlicite grupe u zavisnosti od toga kakvog su tipa, stepena tajnosti i kome su upuceni. Za svaki bitniji dokument se pravi nesto sto se zove "report page" koji sadrzi sve bitne elemente a na kraju stranice i "abstract" - kratak sadrzaj dokumenta.
Mozda nije znao detalje ali je znao gde da trazi a to je sasvim dovoljno.
Edited by ravnicar, 23 August 2013 - 20:15.
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Posted 23 August 2013 - 20:30
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... mozda nije znao detalje ali je znao gde da trazi a to je sasvim dovoljno ...
Aha.
Jesi li siguran?
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Posted 23 August 2013 - 20:53
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Aha.
Jesi li siguran?
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Ne sumnjam uopste. Znao-la je sta radi i za to je kaznjen-a.
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Posted 23 August 2013 - 21:15
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Jadni sociopata nije znao / znala sta radi pa je zato popio robiju.
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