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Ne bih verovao. Mislio sam da ta fabrika u Viryu ima resurse i ljude za sam vrh. Posle ovakve šamarčine koju je Renault popio ja sam blizu nokauta, a oni moraju tražiti pomoć na svim stranama. Ovo je ozbiljan poraz..druga liga..užas razlika

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Dobre vest, Prika!

 

Renault has revealed some details of the gains it has made with its second generation V6 hybrid turbo power unit.

 

The engine manufacturer says it is now able to harvest 25% more thermal energy than it could 12 months ago.

 

It has also found further gains in efficiency, allowing it to use less fuel. Renault claim their new engine is at least 5% more efficient at all speeds, making it “among the most fuel efficient engines in the world”.

 

Managing director Cyril Abiteboul says they are in a more optimistic mood ahead of the first race of the season compared to 12 months ago, when it arrived in Australia following a problematic pre-season test programme.

 

“Last year we went to Melbourne in a very different frame of mind,” said Abiteboul, “but in 2015 we are much happier in our own skin”.

 

Abiteboul said the fact Renault engines had covered over 9,000 kilometres in testing showed they had improved their reliability.

 

“We also wanted to improve performance and halve the gap to Mercedes,” he added. “While it’s more difficult to judge this, our track performance validates our dyno simulations and confirms we are on the right track.”

 

“We’ve still got a long way to go, but the season is equally long and we’ve still got items up our sleeves to further improve in 2015.”

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Na dobrom su putu, ali ima još mnooogo da se radi

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UNDER PRESSURE RENAULT HAS MOST TOKENS TO USE IN SEASON FOR DEVELOPMENT

 

The FIA has issued a statement this morning in Australia, indicating the number of “tokens” each manufacturer has remaining to develop their engines during the season.

And it reveals that Mercedes has already used up 78% of its available development, while Renault has used only 62%. This leaves them with some quite big development steps as the year goes on.

The rules state that manufacturers are allowed to work on potentially 92% of the power unit to develop it from 2014 to 2015, but of that 92% they must select 32 areas which they wish to develop. These are called “tokens”.

Ferrari realised that there was a loophole in the regulations which meant that these developments did not necessarily have to all be made before the first race and hence the situation where there is the possibility to carry over tokens into the season to get development steps.

Mercedes have clearly wanted to start the season with a well developed unit, to take advantage of it for more races, while Renault are still catching up. Ferrari meanwhile has used 22 of its tokens and has found around 70 horsepower as well as far better drivability. This is powering both the works cars and the customer Sauber cars to be more competitive.

Honda meanwhile, as a new manufacturer this year had to homologate its engine in february, but won a dispensation to be allowed the average of the other manufacturers’ tokens to develop their unit. This leaves nine tokens for them to work with, so nine areas of the engine they can develop at will during the year. They certainly need it as they have struggled for both performance and reliability so far this season.

Renault has had a tough start as well with Daniel Ricciardo already one engine down from his allocation of four for the season.

 

Tokens available to be used, by manufacturer
Renault 12 of 32
Ferrari 10 of 32
Honda 9 of 32
Mercedes 7 of 32

 

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Renault saving F1 engine upgrade tokens for mid-season update

Renault is planning a big step with its Formula 1 engine in the middle of the season following confirmation that it has more upgrade tokens available than its rivals.

Under the engine homologation regulations, manufacturers can make changes to their engine designs worth 32 'tokens' this year, which equates to just under half of the engine as defined by the rules.

Thanks to a new interpretation of the regulations, these changes can now be carried over into the season.

The FIA has confirmed that Renault has 12 tokens remaining, Ferrari 10 and Mercedes seven.

Newcomer Honda has been granted an allowance of nine based on the average of the three established engine makers.

While the exact schedule for Renault's engine upgrade plan is yet to be finalised, Red Bull team principal Christian Horner expects its full 2015 power unit to appear in the middle of the year at the earliest.

"It's still a bit up in the air," he said when asked by AUTOSPORT when a version of the power unit with all tokens spent is expected to appear.

"Obviously, we've got only four engines, so the idea is to bring it in as early as possible.

"There's a lot of work going on behind the scenes both at Viry and with Mario Illien, who has been contracted to Renault."

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La Gazzetta dello Sport :

Ferrari plans to introduce an ‘Evo1′ engine at the Spanish grand prix and ‘Evo2′ after mid-season, for the final races of the season.

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According to Mercedes’ engine boss Andy Cowell, however, the works and customer engines are exactly the same.

“They all have the same engines,” he is quoted by Speed Week.

“Firstly, that way the engineers are able to learn the most, and secondly, we owe that (service) to our customers.

“Third,” Cowell explained, “it would be too costly from a parts point of view to go around with different engine specifications.”

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Eklston je navodno izjavio italijanskim medijima da je Mercedes bio u bliskom kontaktu sa FIA tokom diskusija oko nove formule pogona i da je lobirao da budu ubaceni neki njihovi koncepti, i da su zbog toga unapred znali koja ce varijatna da bude odabrana i tako stekli prednost pocevsi mnogo ranije razvoj svog novog pogona nego ostali proizvodjaci.

 

Bernie Ecclestone claims Mercedes had a head-start over its engine rivals at the start of F1's controversial turbo V6 era.

After the 2015 season opener, the F1 supremo on Monday sided with furious Renault-powered Red Bull as the former champions urged F1's governing body to intervene.

 

Now, Ecclestone says Mercedes got a head-start over 2014 rivals Renault and Ferrari when the new engine rules were being devised.

 

"They knew a bit more about the (proposed) power unit," he is quoted by Italy's Sky Sport 24, "because the Mercedes people were in close contact with the FIA in defining the concept of this engine.

 

"It is why they had such a strong start last year and they are keeping that advantage now," the 84-year-old Briton added.

 

Ecclestone said efforts to close Mercedes' huge advantage should now be made, even though he admitted that Renault, "who pushed for this revolution, have failed".

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Ako je to istina, onda nije lepo od njih

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Svi proizvodjaci su bili u bliskom kontaktu sa FIA a najvise je lobirao Reno. Ovo je Bernijev pritisak da se ucini ustupak njegovom pajtasu Horneru i ustroji Mercedesov motor.

 

Vidi ovde: http://www.speedcafe...gine-disparity/

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Not surprisingly Bernie Ecclestone has backed Christian Horner and Helmut Marko’s suggestion that the FIA should attempt top level the playing field in the light of the Mercedes domination in Australia.

 

Ecclestone and Horner remain close, and their opinions rarely diverge.

 

“They are absolutely 100 percent right,” Ecclestone told Reuters. “There is a rule that I think Max [Mosley] put in when he was there that in the event that a particular team or engine supplier did something magic – which Mercedes have done – the FIA can level up things.

 

“They have done a first class job which everybody acknowledges. We need to change things a little bit now and try and level things up a little bit.

 

“What we should have done was frozen the Mercedes engine and leave everybody else to do what they want so they could have caught up. We should support the FIA to make changes.”

 

It’s not clear what rule Ecclestone is referring to. However it may be Article 2.5 of the Tehcnical Regulations:

 

“New systems or technologies : Any new system, procedure or technology not specifically covered by these regulations, but which is deemed permissible by the FIA Formula One Technical Department, will only be admitted until the end of the Championship during which it is introduced. Following this the Formula One Commission will be asked to review the technology concerned and, if they feel it adds no value to Formula One in general, it will be specifically prohibited. Any team whose technology is prohibited in this way will then be required to publish full technical details of the relevant system or procedure.”

 

If it is what Bernie is referring to it might be stretch to find a way to apply it – the FIA view is that there are no ‘new technologies’ in the W06 package – and in any case it clearly states it allows teams to keep their advantage for the season.

 

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E da hoce to uraditi, a da ih Mercedes opere, a i Ferrari i McLaren... Jbt jadna Honda jedva dobila mogucnost bilo kakvog rada i testiranja, a ovi iz Red Bula puste suzu i odmah se pravila menjaju... Pa koliko ti Ditrih gura u dzep stoko nezasita

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Nisam siguran da je Ditrih u pitanju koliko Horner - on je jako dobar sa Bernijem i ako bude bilo po Berniju upravo ce ga Horner jednog dana naslediti na celu FOM.

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Reakcije na kuknjavu iz Red Bula nisu samo ovde na forumu negativne:

 

So far, Red Bull is finding little support in its quest for immediate changes to the rules.

 

Ferrari has already made clear it is content for now, particularly as it has leapfrogged Red Bull and Williams to be the second force behind dominant Mercedes.

 

"Our job is to attack Mercedes on the track," said boss Maurizio Arrivabene, "not to change the rules."

 

Mercedes chief Toto Wolff told his Red Bull counterparts to take their complaints to the Wailing Wall, and reigning world champion Lewis Hamilton advises the energy drink owned team to "hire better people".

 

Rob Smedley, lead engineer at Williams, told Auto Motor und Sport: "I have worked for a team (Ferrari) that dominated.

 

"Now they (Mercedes) dominate. It's the result of hard work. They have done everything right, so you just have to take your hat off to them," said the Briton.

 

Also with no sympathy for Red Bull's situation is Force India deputy Bob Fernley, whose calls for financial help at the end of last year fell on deaf ears.

 

"The four big teams, including Red Bull, were adamant nothing needed to be done, and now Red Bull are getting squeezed a bit, and probably coming under pressure from their owners," he is quoted by AAP news agency.

 

"The reality is now setting in -- welcome to the real world," added Fernley.

 

"You can't blame Mercedes for doing a good job. Everybody else has the same opportunity."

 

Interestingly, Fernley also suggested that Red Bull is wrong to blame not only F1's rules, but also its struggling engine supplier Renault, for its problems.

 

"Is it entirely Renault?" he asked. "Their sister car (Toro Rosso) performed reasonably well (in Australia) and with two young guys in the car."

 

A pazi kako im je Hamilton zavukao:

 

Lewis Hamilton has stepped up his rhetoric against rival Red Bull's complaints.

 

After the British driver won dominantly in Australia, Red Bull declared the gap to Mercedes was too big and the rules too 'complicated' for formula one.

 

"It's not (too complicated) for us," the reigning world champion told Australia's Seven Network on Tuesday during a visit to Sydney.

 

Red Bull chiefs are arguing the current rules are "killing" the sport, and have threatened to quit.

 

"It's been interesting to see some of those comments," Hamilton continued.

 

Asked if Red Bull is simply guilty of sour grapes, he answered: "I don't want to get into the political side of things. I just drive."

 

But Hamilton did observe: "People are always unhappy when they're not winning."

 

As for Red Bull's failure to keep up amid the new turbo V6 era, the 30-year-old pointed out that Ferrari has managed to make a big step forward over the winter.

 

So Hamilton advised Red Bull: "You better hire some better people, I guess. We've hired great people and we've done a great job, and we weren't complaining when they were doing it."

 

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Renault says last-minute push to blame for F1 woes

Renault has blamed its Australian Grand Prix problems on being too aggressive with late developments on its 2015 Formula One engine, but insists the issues can be solved.

The French car manufacturer has come under fire from partner Red Bull after a disappointing Melbourne weekend.

After losing a power unit early in the event, Red Bull's Daniel Ricciardo finished sixth in Melbourne, one lap behind the winning Mercedes of Lewis Hamilton, and his fastest lap was nearly two seconds slower.

Team boss Christian Horner described the engine as "undriveable" while tech chief Adrian Newey said he saw no "light at the end of the tunnel" in finding a cure.

Renault's managing director Cyril Abiteboul admits Renault pushed too hard during the winter, to the point where it had to use new methods to follow what he described as a "ferocious" development race started by Red Bull.

"We had last-minute developments on the engine that by-passed our usual validation process, notably the test bench," he said in an interview with L'Equipe.

"And these changes caused problems at Melbourne. This is what we will focus on upon returning to the factory before heading to Sepang."

He added: "We were very aggressive because Red Bull has taken us on a ferocious race in development.

"We have to ask ourselves questions as to how we have proceeded with them so far, and forgetting our traditional methods.

"We've been producing F1 engines for 37 years now. We know what to do."

Red Bull must do its part too

Abiteboul insists the way Renault turned things around last year shows that it is still possible to have a strong season, even though he has ruled out beating Mercedes on pure performance.

"Last year, if I said we would win three races, you would have laughed. Will we win races due to outright performance? No.

"But it can come back just as quickly as it left. However, fighting wheel to wheel with Mercedes won't happen right away."

When asked about the difficult period the Red Bull/Renault partnership is going through, he said: "We've won together and today we're not comfortable together. Up until now, we've followed them, and listened to them.

"Perhaps today they are realising that there are different universes between chassis and engine and that everyone must do their part."

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