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Як-3, on 05 March 2012 - 13:16, said:

Ne bih se slozio, Ferarijev razvoj je uvek mnogo vise pocivao na sirovoscu i gomili testiranja na stazi dok ne pogode i ne "istesu" kako valja, dok je Meklaren bio sofisticiraniji. Od kada su testiranja zabranjena Ferari po meni ubedljivo najvise trpi, tako da ako se ispostavi na pocetku ove sezone da su promasili sa konceptom, ne bih se ja mnogo nadao da ce kasnije ozbiljnije da primirisu vodecim timovima.

S akcentom na bio , tako da im je zadnja konstruktorska titula 1998. a od 1999. imaju samo jednu vozacku.

Nece valjda i oni da zadju u 20+ post !?

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FjodorD, on 05 March 2012 - 14:19, said:

Video sam to, danima guglam i upoređujem, ali mi i dalje nije jasno.
Zar je boji grbavi nos nego McLarenov niži, elegantniji, aerodinamičniji?
Zar nije logično što niže težište?

Malko znam ponešto ( Bernulijeva jednaćina beše?) o strujnicama, aero-profilu i potisku, pritisku i brzini strujanja... ali mi nije jasan visok kokpit i grbav nos?
Stručnjak nisam, a ni dizajner - ali ovoliko ružni bolidi nisu bili nikad. A ja verujem u sklad.

I ne razumem kako to da dizajneri McL ne vide "prednost" grbavog nosa - a svi ostali vide?!

Visok nos tj. prostor ispod njega nudi pogodnost time sto dozvojava vise cistog neturbulentnog vazduha da dodje do poda bolida i efikasnije hrani difuzor. To su ti poslednji ostatci ostataka venturi principa patentiranog od strane Cepmena na Lotusima 78 i 79 koji su onomad napravili pravu revoluciju u F1, nakon 30 godina tehnickog ogranicavanja generisanja prianjanja patosom bolida.

Sa druge strane nizak nos i nizi bolid generalno daju prednost nizeg tezista / momenta inercije, a nedostatak grbe takodje smanjuje i otpor vazduha.

Na timovima je sada da odluce sta im je od svega toga bitnije, no u principu to ti je sto ne platis na mostu platis na cupriji. Meklaren vec nekoliko sezona gura taj niski nos pa nisu ni imali razloga da nesto menjaju, verovatno je bila namera FIA da natera ostale timove da koriste meklarenovski nos ali oni nisu zeleli da se odreknu pogodnosti koje pruza visoki nos.

Tako da smo na kraju dobili ove grbavce.

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Najbrža vremena iz Barselone:

Pos Driver Team Best time Total laps
1. Raikkonen Lotus 1m22.030s 164
2. Perez Sauber 1m22.094s +0.064 232
3. Button McLaren 1m22.103s +0.073 108
4. Ricciardo Toro Rosso 1m22.155s +0.125 231
5. Alonso Ferrari 1m22.250s +0.220 240
6. Senna Williams 1m22.296s +0.266 212
7. Hulkenberg Force India 1m22.312s +0.282 134
8. Kobayashi Sauber 1m22.386s +0.356 149
9. Massa Ferrari 1m22.413s +0.383 227
10. Hamilton McLaren 1m22.430s +0.400 180
11. Di Resta Force India 1m22.446s +0.416 206
12. Grosjean Lotus 1m22.614s +0.584 197
13. Kovalainen Caterham 1m22.630s +0.600 168
14. Webber Red Bull 1m22.662s +0.632 172
15. Petrov Caterham 1m22.795s +0.765 224
16. Rosberg Mercedes 1m22.932s +0.902 257
17. Schumacher Mercedes 1m22.939s +0.909 179
18. Vergne Toro Rosso 1m23.126s +1.096 144
19. Maldonado Williams 1m23.347s +1.317 126
20. Vettel Red Bull 1m23.361s +1.331 108

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Mercedes je sa novim bolidom prešao 2415.2 milje

[Як-3]

leone, on 05 March 2012 - 16:50, said:

S akcentom na bio , tako da im je zadnja konstruktorska titula 1998. a od 1999. imaju samo jednu vozacku.

Nece valjda i oni da zadju u 20+ post !?

Pazi, moj stav je da u datim uslovima(sta sme da se razvija, i kako je dopusteno da se testira), Ferari u debelom problemu i rekao bih da to pokazuju rezultati, poslednje tri godine nisu medju najbolja 2 tima i mislim da ce se trend nastaviti.

Sto se tice istorije, ja jako postujem i uvazavam tradiciju SF, ali rezultate ne pravi ime SF, vec ljudi koji rade pod tim imenom, to vazi i za susne godina, kao i za vreme dominacije.
Tako da meni SF sa Domenikalijem, Frajom(pre toga Kostom) i Alonsom nije ni u pribliznoj ravni SF sa Todom, Bronom, Birnom i Sumaherom. Sadasnji SF ima odlicnog vozaca, skroman tehnicki tim i ocajno rukovodstvom, sto nije dovoljno, kao sto se i pokazuje, a ako se nastavi sa ovakvim rezultatima, lako se moze desiti da markiz ponovo posegne za strategijom riba smrdi od glave, a cisti se od repa, pa nastrada najkvalitetniji pojedinac.

This post has been edited by Як-3: 05 March 2012 - 23:29

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Nije bas zimsko testiranje ali je testiranje.

Mudjelo danaske:

http://f1tests.co.cc/2012.php

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Romain Grosjean put the seal on an impressive test at Mugello for his Lotus team by going fastest on the final afternoon.

His best - a 1m21.035s set with two hours of the afternoon to run – was the quickest any driver managed across the three days.

The Frenchman had also topped the second day of running at the Italian circuit, Lotus having opted to alter plans and give him both days of testing following the day one washout.

Sebastian Vettel's morning best was enough to keep him second for Red Bull, less than one tenth of a second ahead of Ferrari's Fernando Alonso.

The Spaniard had set the early running in a Ferrari featuring revisions to its exhaust exits and rear bodywork, but an hour in he went off and nudged the wall at Turn 12, leading to delays of more than two hours for the Scuderia.

Toro Rosso's Daniel Ricciardo closed to within a quarter of a second of Alonso in the afternoon, ending the day fourth fastest.

Sergio Perez finished six tenths of a second down the road in fifth, having triggered one of several red flags on the final day when his Sauber stopped on the main straight at the exit of the pitlane.

Nico Hulkenberg, taking over from Paul di Resta for the final afternoon, was less than one tenth of a second slower in sixth.

Di Resta was initially tucked up behind his Force India stable-mate, but late improvements from Pastor Maldonado, Oliver Turvey and Nico Rosberg forced him down to 10th.

Rosberg (Mercedes) set new bests on his final two tours to jump into eighth, 0.082s behind Maldonado's Williams.

Turvey meanwhile completed a low-key test for McLaren, which opted not to run either of its two race drivers, by finishing ninth ahead of Heikki Kovalainen and Timo Glock.

Kovalainen was the busiest driver of the day, completing 138 laps in the Caterham.

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Mugello drugi dan:

Pos Driver Team Time
1. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m21.603s
2. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m21.603s + 0.000s
3. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m21.825s + 0.222s
4. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m21.997s + 0.394s
5. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m22.257s + 0.654s
6. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m22.422s + 0.819s
7. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m22.588s + 0.985s
8. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m23.404s + 1.801s
9. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m23.982s + 2.379s
10. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m24.312s + 2.709s
11. Gary Paffett McLaren-Mercedes 1m24.480s + 2.877s
12. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m24.499s + 2.896s
13. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m24.749s + 3.146s
14. Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1m24.842s + 3.239s

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Mugello treći dan:

1. Grosjean - Lotus - 1:21.035
2. Vettel - Red Bull - 1:21.267
3. Alonso - Ferrari - 1:21.363>
4. Ricciardo - Toro Rosso - 1:21.604
5. Perez - Sauber - 1:22.229
6. Hulkenberg - Force India - 1:22.325
7. Maldonado - Williams - 1:22.497
8. Rosberg - Mercedes - 1:22.579
9. Turvey - McLaren - 1:22.662
10. Di Resta - Force India - 1:23.002
11. Kovalainen - Caterham - 1:23.169
12. Glock - Marussia - 1:23.466