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#16 steins

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 22:05

Pa definitivno ima NECEGA. Ali NECEGA ima i u tzv. obicnoj gripi od koje ponekad netko i umre, pa nitko zbog toga ne vristi. Ova gripa je uspjesno izlijecena kod svih Amerikanaca, a smrtni slucajevi su, kao sto rekoh, zabiljezeni u Meksiku gdje je vjerojatno i smrtnost od obicne gripe daleko veca nego u SAD.
A sad reci - CEGA to tocno ima, a da kod gripe inace NEMA?



stepen mutacije i cinjenica da je ovo izmenjen virus,.....sto znaci da mutira...a ako krene da mutira to moze da bude jako opasno....btw apsolutno se slazem za sve sto je gore napisano.....rekao sam vec da je grip jako problematican za dijagnostiku i epidemiologiju,...prvo zato sto je nespecificna bolest koju mnogi preleze bez odlaska kod lekara ili na nogama,...drugo, zato sto je nemoguce odrediti soj bez virusoloske dijagnostike.,......zato i dovodim u pitanje ove cifre koje su objavljene, naravno u nasu korist :).....mada se ne bih bash usudio da otpljunem na celu situaciju....

@ DWS.....pa niko i nije okrivio USA za ovo,..zar ne? :ph34r: mada,...zar Galveston nije u teksasu? Nego sta kazu americki mediji na ovo ? daj nesta iz druge ruke?

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 22:10

Pre nego neko optuzi USA i farmaceutske kompanije za novu poshast, a vidim da se neki vec vrte oko toga, samo da primetim da je tamiflu lek shvajcarske kompanije Roche koja je gotovo 100% porodichno vlasnishtvo. Mada je lek razvijen u USA, a gde bi drugo?


Ma nisam ni pomislila na USA i znam ko proizvodi Tamiflu.Kazem lepo da sam ga imala i taj lek nije bio striktno za H5N1 vec za takozvane nove viruse.

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 22:10

stepen mutacije i cinjenica da je ovo izmenjen virus,.....sto znaci da mutira...a ako krene da mutira


Pa jel krenuo s mutacijom ili nije? I koja je tu tocno razlika od obicne (ljudske) gripe od koje se svake godine razboli xxxxx ljudi? Mislim, ne govori li tebi logika da 100% -tno izljecenje u SAD-u prije svega znaci da se ne radi o smrtonosnoj bolesti?

Ali ljudi iz nekog razloga uvijek pate za SF trilerima.

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 22:15

Pa jel krenuo s mutacijom ili nije? I koja je tu tocno razlika od obicne (ljudske) gripe od koje se svake godine razboli xxxxx ljudi? Mislim, ne govori li tebi logika da 100% -tno izljecenje u SAD-u prije svega znaci da se ne radi o smrtonosnoj bolesti?

Ali ljudi iz nekog razloga uvijek pate za SF trilerima.


a sto ti tako,...djonom?
malo mi je nejasno..... :ph34r:
vidi, pod jedan,...tacno da niko nije umro u SAD, ali tamo je zabelezeno samo 8 slucajeva.....kao sto gore napisah smrtnost bi ( po mojim amaterskim kalkulacijama ) trebalo da bude oko 7% ......
pod dva,ovakva bolest jeste smrtonosna...samo je pitanje koliko.....
pod tri, cim je nepoznat do sada, znaci da jeste krenuo sa mutacijom...e sad, koliko ce u toj mutaciji daleko otici, i na koju stranu to niko zivi ne zna....
pod cetiri, predpostavljam da je razlika u tome sto cesce daje komplikacije na plucima....sto i jeste glavna opasnost...

PS procitaj highlanderkin post,...on objasnjava zabrinutost,...ne paniku....ima za paniku vremena....( eto ovo potonje mi odbij na pesimizam :) )

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 22:29

pod dva,ovakva bolest jeste smrtonosna...samo je pitanje koliko.....


Prvo potvrdis da u SAD-u nitko nije umro, da bi zatim mudro zakljucio da bolest jeste smrtonosna. A na osnovu cega to tvrdis?

#21 down with the sickness

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 22:31

@ DWS.....pa niko i nije okrivio USA za ovo,..zar ne? :ph34r: mada,...zar Galveston nije u teksasu? Nego sta kazu americki mediji na ovo ? daj nesta iz druge ruke?


Ne znam za americhke, ali kanadski uglavnom objavljuju smirujuce vesti, daleko od panike koju je izazvao SARS 2003.

Kazu da je Kanada spremna za epidemiju do koje su male shanse da uopshte dodje. Cheka se prvi sluchaj, Toronto je veoma prometan, a veliki broj Kanadjana letuje u Meksisku, tako da je i sa SARS-om Kanada najgore proshla sa 44 zrtve, najvishe posle azijskih zemalja.

Takodje za razliku od SARSa ovde nema nikakve dileme, zna se tachno protiv chega se bori. Antiviralni lekovi su nagomilani i shto je najvaznije deluju protiv ovog virusa.


Ma nisam ni pomislila na USA i znam ko proizvodi Tamiflu.Kazem lepo da sam ga imala i taj lek nije bio striktno za H5N1 vec za takozvane nove viruse.


Nisam ni ja mislio na tebe ... ima tu drugih kandidata :) , poznatih po povezivanju svih svetskih nesreca sa ... ajde, necemo sad o tome.

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 22:33

Bolest napreduje po USA...




Swine Flu Cases in Kansas, Possibly NYC

The Kansas Department of Health and Environment has confirmed at least two cases of swine flu in their state, while the New York City Department of Public Health is reporting that at least eight out of an estimated 100 students at a Queens prepatory school who displayed flu-like symptoms likely have the infection. Meanwhile, Imperial County health officials reported that San Diego has yet another case of the swine flu strain that has killed up to 68 people in Mexico.
The escalation in the swine flu situation on Saturday underscored concerns by international, federal and local health agencies over the threat of the new virus, even as government health officials said much remains unknown.

But if one thing is clear about the spread of this virus, it is that containment is no longer an option.

"It's clear that this is widespread," said Dr. Anne Schuchat, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, at a press conference Saturday afternoon.

"We do not think that we can contain the spread of this virus," Schuchat added. "Having found virus where we have found it, we are very likely to find it in other places. ... We are not at a point where we can keep this virus in just one place."

The cases further demonstrate that health officials do not know where else the virus might turn up. Details of swine flu's spread in Mexico also remain murky. A team sent by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is now on the ground there in the hopes of finding clues as to the origin and spread of the disease.

What also remains unclear is why the virus seems to have led to more severe illness in Mexico than in the U.S. -- at least for now.

"What we still don't know is how widespread it is," said Dr. William Schaffner, chairman of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, Tenn. "The question is: How long have things been going on in Mexico, and how attentive have they been in terms of what's going on in their country?"

Meanwhile, emergency departments in affected areas are preparing for what they said could be a rise in cases.

"It is quite conceivable that it could escalate fairly rapidly," said Dr. Richard Bradley, chief of the Division of EMS and Disaster Medicine at the University of Texas Health Sciences Center at Houston. "If we are seeing a flu epidemic in Mexico, we should expect an uptick fairly quickly in Texas, where I am, and in California."

Still, Bradley said that the situation thus far has been relatively fortunate.

"Right now, we are in the increased awareness phase -- we don't yet know how this is going to develop," he said. "Fortunately, right now the cases in California and in Texas seem to be milder than the cases we've seen in Mexico. We hope that this trend continues in the U.S."

Emergency departments in other areas of the country are also stepping up efforts to control the virus should it surface.

Dr. Lewis Goldfrank, professor and chairman of the Department of Emergency Medicine at Bellevue Hospital in New York City said that though no cases have been detected in his emergency department yet, any patient who comes in with a cough and a fever or a rash and a fever is isolated for a nasal swab to detect influenza -- a test that takes about an hour.

The possible outbreak in the New York area suggests the measures may be warranted.

New York City Health Commissioner Dr. Thomas Frieden said in a statement on Saturday that more than 100 students at St. Francis Prepatory School in Queens have reported flu-like symptoms including headaches, upset stomachs and dizziness. The Health Department subsequently encouraged all of the affected students to get tested for the flu, and there are now eight probable cases of swine flu.

Currently, the CDC is performing additional tests to determine whether swine flu indeed is the culprit, according to the statement.

"Most of the patients reported mild symptoms. No child was hospitalized or seriously ill," the statement reads. "The CDC results should be available by Sunday. If the results are positive -- the Health Department will recommend that the school close on Monday."

Concern over the outbreaks have reached the highest levels of the federal government, as well.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said that the president has been briefed and is "being kept up-to-date" in the swine flu situation.

The Homeland Security Council, under the leadership of terrorism czar John Brennan, is heading up the administration's efforts to handle the situation and is working with the CDC, the State Department and the Mexican government.

"The president will continue to get updated on what's going on, as will Brennan ... and others in the government, as the situation develops," Gibbs said.

A Delay in Action?

Another question that remains is whether health agencies reacted quickly enough to the initial reports of swine infections in Mexico, first reported in mid-March.

"I think that the laboratory testing capabilities for this type of virus were not fully in place and this accounts for some of the delay," said Dr. Pascal James Imperato, dean of the Graduate Program in Public Health at SUNY Downstate Medical Center in Brooklyn, N.Y. "They were not routinely testing for this type of influenza virus."

Still, other infectious disease experts said that there should have been quicker action.

"I concur that the 'one-month lag' between case identification and reporting was too long," said Ed Hsu, adjunct faculty in Public Health Informatics at the University of Maryland College Park School of Public Health. "[It is a] good thing that the CDC now decides to have a daily briefing on the swine flu, but it will still need to bring the transparency of reporting in other high-risk countries up to speed on this."

And despite the actions by the World Health Organization with regard to the swine flu outbreaks, no decision has yet been made to increase the pandemic threat level from its current status of phase 3 to phase 4 on the six-point scale. A virus isn't considered to be pandemic until it reaches phase 6.

WHO did announce, however, that it has sent a team of experts to Mexico to further study the outbreaks.

Still Too Early to Worry?

Despite the action being taken by national and international health organizations, some infectious disease experts say it is far too early to fear the worst -- a global flu pandemic.

"The current swine flu only marginally meets only one of three of pandemic tests: effective person-to-person transmission," Hsu said, adding that the other tests -- susceptibility and no natural immunity or vaccine -- remain to be satisfied.

Hsu further noted that compared to the H5N1 strain of the avian flu virus -- commonly known as bird flu -- the current H1N1 swine flu strain is still a relative lightweight. Since 2003, he said, bird flu has garnered a 60 percent case fatality rate, and it never attained pandemic status. Meanwhile, the current swine flu strain still has fewer than 1,000 reported cases and only about 60 fatalities to its name.

"If not [a pandemic] then, why now?" he asked.

But if more cases did arise, Schaffner said that a vaccine for the illness would not be available for months.

"It would be an Olympic sprint for vaccine manufacturers, starting today" to have a usable vaccine ready even by October, he said.

"If this is a virus that is sufficiently new -- and that has not been entirely determined yet -- we may need two doses of the vaccine to get protection," Schaffner said. "That, of course, would put additional strain on the vaccine production and delivery services."


Nadajmo se da je virus u mutaciji izgubio ubojitost; nadajmo se i da nece mutirati u nezeljenom smeru.


Edit: sad vidim da je izgleda zabelezen i prvi slucaj u Britaniji. Mislim da nas najgore tek cheka.

Edited by Schmeling, 25 April 2009 - 22:37.


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Posted 25 April 2009 - 22:40

Edit: sad vidim da je izgleda zabelezen i prvi slucaj u Britaniji. Mislim da nas najgore tek cheka.


Strasno. Savjetujem ti da se zablokiras u podrum i ne izlazis iducih 20 godina. I nemoj slucajno nositi comp sa sobom jer je sasvim moguce da gripa mutira i virtualnim putem.

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 22:42

Strasno. Savjetujem ti da se zablokiras u podrum i ne izlazis iducih 20 godina. I nemoj slucajno nositi comp sa sobom jer je sasvim moguce da gripa mutira i virtualnim putem.


Mislim da ne bi trebalo da trolujesh ovu temu. Ne znam zashto to radish.

#25 down with the sickness

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 22:45

Strasno. Savjetujem ti da se zablokiras u podrum i ne izlazis iducih 20 godina. I nemoj slucajno nositi comp sa sobom jer je sasvim moguce da gripa mutira i virtualnim putem.



Podseca me na Radeta Markovica, direktora bolnice iz Variola Vera, koji se zatvorio u kancelariju i nije izlazio do ukidanja karantina, sve vreme se fiksajuci vakcinama koje je ukrao od pacijenata i na kraju valjda od medicinske sestre, ljubavnice :ph34r: .

Ajde bre Schmeli, to je samo yebena gripa.

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 22:45

Bolest napreduje po USA...

Sto rekose na jednom topiku - tldr.

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 22:51

Nisam ni ja mislio na tebe ... ima tu drugih kandidata :ph34r: , poznatih po povezivanju svih svetskih nesreca sa ... ajde, necemo sad o tome.
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Ma,sve je ok :) Evo sta kazu neki izvori kao npr NEWS.COM-Ministar zdravlja Hoze Anhel kaze da je grip mutirao i posle svinja postao zarazan za ljude i sada se smatra respiratornom zarazom.Zvanicnici americkog Centra za kontrolu bolesti kazu da virus predstavlja genetsku kombinaciju svinja,ljudi i ptica :D Oni dodaju da je u pitanju sasvim nov virus ili je pak on prisutan vec neko vreme ali je tek sada otkriven.Centar navodi da su meksicke zrtve umrle od iste nove vrste virusa od koje se razbolelo osam osoba u Kaliforniji i Teksasu.Vlasti isticu da su americki slucajevi blazi i da su se svi oboleli oporavili.Nijedan oboleli u Americi nije bio u kontaktu sa svinjama.Centar navodi da se svinjski grip obicno javlja kod ljudi koji su bili izlozeni svinjama iako je moguce prenosenje sa coveka na coveka.Doktor Majkl Osterholm sa Univerziteta Minesota kaze da dok strucnjaci otkrivaju nove pojedinosti o virusu jos nisu sigurni kako se on siri.-Mi smo u zaista teskoj poziciji.Ima mnogo vise stvari koje ne znamo od onih koje znamo a na zalost to nije dobar znak-kaze Osterholm.

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 22:51

Prvo potvrdis da u SAD-u nitko nije umro, da bi zatim mudro zakljucio da bolest jeste smrtonosna. A na osnovu cega to tvrdis?


pa pomrli neki meksikanci od iste bolesti,......njih 20 sigurno.... :ph34r:

vidi ziza, ako je ovo tvoj nacin da oteras strah ok, razumem,....al ponovo ne razumem ovo startovanje djonom?

vidi schmellin ....otkrivanje ovog virusa je topla voda...on spada u H1N1 grupu tip A koji je najzastupljeniji u svetu......ovo je nekakva mutirana sorta....tako da je normalno da ga se nadje svuda.....polako..........

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 22:57

Podseca me na Radeta Markovica, direktora bolnice iz Variola Vera, koji se zatvorio u kancelariju i nije izlazio do ukidanja karantina, sve vreme se fiksajuci vakcinama koje je ukrao od pacijenata i na kraju valjda od medicinske sestre, ljubavnice :ph34r: .

Ajde bre Schmeli, to je samo yebena gripa.



Vidish kako si povrshan chovek. Nije samo jebena gripa. Svakih nekoliko decenija, svet pogodi pandemija influence, i nikad se ne zna koliko ce smrtnonosna biti sledeca. Mi smo za nashish zhivota uglavnom bili poshtedjeni ovog (poslednja je bila 1968), no WHO vec godinama upozorava da nije pitanje da li ce se sledeca pandemija smrtonosnog gripa dogoditi, nego kad ce to biti. WHO je trenutno u fazi 3 uzbune (ispod je shema), shto znachi da je situacija prilichno ozbiljna.
Najlakshe je ismejati ono shto ne razumesh do kraja. No ima ljudi koji zhele informativno da prate ovu temu, pa bih vas zamolio da ne trolujete vishe. Mislim, trolovati ovakvu temu da bi se zadovoljila sujeta je bash neodgovorno.

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Posted 25 April 2009 - 22:59

pa pomrli neki meksikanci od iste bolesti,......njih 20 sigurno.... :ph34r:

vidi ziza, ako je ovo tvoj nacin da oteras strah ok, razumem,....al ponovo ne razumem ovo startovanje djonom?

vidi schmellin ....otkrivanje ovog virusa je topla voda...on spada u H1N1 grupu tip A koji je najzastupljeniji u svetu......ovo je nekakva mutirana sorta....tako da je normalno da ga se nadje svuda.....polako..........



Ovo je sasvim novi virus. Shto ne znachi da ce biti smrtonosan, niti da ce uzrokovati pandemiju, ali ne znachi ni da nece. U svetu u kojem se od Srbije do Tokija stizhe za 10 sati, bolje biti jako, jako oprezan.