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[Goliat]

Dobio sam u postanskom sanducetu pismo od agencije "Globeart" iz Beograda u kojem se kaze da sam dobtnik besplatnog smestaja u grckoj, hotel sa 4 *.
Ima li neko iskustva sa ovom agencijom i sta mislite o cemu se radi?
Hvala svima!

[borrse]

Ne mogu da ne izdrzim da ti ne ispricam pricu koja se dogodila u Makedoniji prosloga leta.

Ukrali coveku kola ispred kuce i nasli ih posle par dana 100km daleko a u kolima koverta sa vaucerima za Grcku, i pismo "Gospodine, izvinite morao sam da pozjmim kola, uplatio sam vam putovanje molim vas oprostite", On bezveze pozove agenciju koja je izdala vaucher, kad ono "Da gospodine imate rezervaciju za celu porodicu, za 4 osobe u Grckoj" On ne moze da veruje. Odu oni na more, provede se extra, kad se vrate imaju sta da vide. Lopovi im i parket izvadili iz stana, nista nije ostalo, a i kola ponovo uzeli

Eto neznam sto mi je to palo na pamet

[Schmeling]

Dobio sam u postanskom sanducetu pismo od agencije "Globeart" iz Beograda u kojem se kaze da sam dobtnik besplatnog smestaja u grckoj, hotel sa 4 *.
Ima li neko iskustva sa ovom agencijom i sta mislite o cemu se radi?
Hvala svima!

Ja mislim da si bash imao srece! Lepo se provedi u Grckoj!

[deep0dark]

Ili si troll ili veruješ u deda mraza. Ja lično mislim da si samo troll.

[lukaigane]

Ili si troll ili veruješ u deda mraza. Ja lično mislim da si samo troll.

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ma bre...postoji deda mraz.....danas sam ga video na špiditeru....vozi glagoljicu....

[Amsterdamer]

Cuo sam i ja dosta puta da neki lopovi to rade. Stvarno uplate putovanje za celu porodicu i onda im pokupe sve iz gajbe.
Ako je tvoje putovanje zaista uplaceno , pici i lepo se provedi , a nekoga pitaj da se privremeno useli kod tebe dok si na odmoru. Prijatelja ili nekog rodjaka

[milut]

Radi se o klasičnoj multilevel prodaji. Da bi dobio vaučer, moraćeš da odeš na njihovu prezentaciju gde će par sati da te guše i pokušavaju da ti uvale članstvo u nekoj turističkoj grupi, tipa time-sharing ali mnogo "bolje". Na kraju ćeš dobiti vaučer prihvatio ili ne njihove ponude, a da li ćeš vaučer stvarno moći i da iskoristiš, to ne znam. Svi koje znam da su se zeznuli i otišli po taj vaučer, stvarno su ga i dobili, ali na kraju niko nije ni pokušao da ga iskoristi.

[BeatrisDal]

Radi se o klasičnoj multilevel prodaji. Da bi dobio vaučer, moraćeš da odeš na njihovu prezentaciju gde će par sati da te guše i pokušavaju da ti uvale članstvo u nekoj turističkoj grupi, tipa time-sharing ali mnogo "bolje". Na kraju ćeš dobiti vaučer prihvatio ili ne njihove ponude, a da li ćeš vaučer stvarno moći i da iskoristiš, to ne znam. Svi koje znam da su se zeznuli i otišli po taj vaučer, stvarno su ga i dobili, ali na kraju niko nije ni pokušao da ga iskoristi.

e bas sam i ja to pomislila...da, na kraju se ispostavi da mozes ici na taj put ali da moras imati jos nekog random da s njim delis sobu...u svakom slucaju to nije "prava" nagrada, odnosno, nije bas sve onako kao sto zakljucis na prvi pogled

[INI]

Mene je zvala ekipa iz TVS-a, ali je njihov scam vec opisan na netu ... interesantno je da je scam odlicno osmisljen jer im kanadske vlasti ocigledno vec godinama ne mogu nista ...

http://www.supersam.com/?page_id=58

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Scam Alert 216 Chrislea road

Had a Guy/Girl (Not too sure what it was) call me tonight at 9:30pm and claim I won a prize. The phone number was 1-248-434-4666, address

He said I won 1 out of 5 prizes, The accent sounded Nigerian or Guyanese.

He told me I had to goto
TVS the vacation store company
2nd floor
216 Chrislea road in woodbridge ontario
Postal Code is
L4L-8S5

He said I had to go tomorrow (wed) @ 6:45pm

I told him I was busy and I couldn’t go…....so he said fine then come thursday @ 6:45pm

This is a big Scam, I know because at the end of the conversation he said that he wanted me to confirm my address…..
Told him that I wasn’t interested, he got upset and hung up.

Here is some more info from others I have found.—————————Guest
Hello there,

To any one who would like to know about “The Vacation Store Company”

I think this is a scam, using pressure tactics to scare you and your
wife, and take the money from you, but read below for the
details…..!!

I just got invited, to attend a presentation by The Vacation Store
Company TVS,

Basically, if you attend a 90 minute meeting your are guaranteed one of
five prizes:
– A $2,500 CND – 8 Sun filled Florida days and 7 Magical nights for 2 Adults & 3 kids
in Orlando (Hotel only) – A 5 Stars Hotel in South Carolina for 7 days (Hotel only) – An Aruba trip 7 days – A Royal Caribbean Cruise

I went there with my wife, it was an eye opener for me, these guys have
no business cards, no documentation to show, no Hotel catalogues, no
letterheads with their logo, no web site, and it will be very difficult
to find anything in the web related to them or anyone they represent,
they did not give us any binder with information about themselves.

All they have is, at 216 Chrislea Rd, 2nd Floor, Woodbridge, Ontario. A
room with several tables, every couple will sit down in their own table
with one representative of the company at the same time for 1h 30 min.
They will offer a very simplistic buffet, although they make it sound
as something extraordinary, the Rep will be eating as well with you at
the same table, but because time is money, he will talk over your lunch
plate while the saliva is coming out of his mouth and inevitably
spreading some of his food from his mouth to all over the table, that
was enough for my wife and me to stop eating. After that they have a
small presentation in a white board of a series of non-sense
explanation by a their top-notch sales guy, which was rude and arrogant
to most of the guests, a very low tech presentation as he will just
show some brochures in a plastic cover from any where from 4’ to 30’ of
distance. The guy lost his patient when he asked if any one golfed, and
no one lifted the hand and then decided not to continue with the
presentation.

After this fiasco, every couple move to an office with their rep. for a
more business meeting, at this point they will start explaining the
scheme, which it is not a timeshare company, but a bit different, you
buy points:

An annual fee of $98.00

98,000 points for $30,000
75,000 points for $24,000
49,000 points for $17,800
25,000 points for $13,000

You use the points like this:

1 week in a 1 bedroom hotel, you need 500 points and $500.00
1 week in a 2 bedrooms hotel, you need 1000 points and $600.00
1 week in a 3 bedrooms hotel, you need 1500 points and $700.00

Or

2 week in a 1 bedroom hotel, you need 1000 points plus $1,000.00
2 week in a 2 bedrooms hotel, you need 2000 points and $1,200.00
2 week in a 3 bedrooms hotel, you need 3000 points and $1,400.00

And so on….!

You can use this configuration for as long as you would like until you
run out of points.
Air fare, Food, Taxes, etc. are not included and you will have to
provide that by yourself.

In our case, I knew from the start that I didn’t want to buy
anything, so after a 20 minutes meeting with the Rep in the office I
clearly made him know that we weren’t interested, but he continue to
offer us the 49,000 points for $17,800 at a discount, this time for
only $13,000. I insisted that we weren’t interested, he left and
another Rep came to the office, after a whole discussion about the same
topic, he made us another offer, this time the 49,000 points for
$11,000 I thank him for the valiant discount but decline the offer
again so he left and the third guy came, this time a more serious guy,
with a rude demeanour, and rude comments, he mention to us that here
was a better offer, this time the 49,000 points for only $9,000, I said
to him, that I declined and that a this point I wanted to leave, he
then started to basically insult me asking why I didn’t take the
offer and why was I there for then. He left and a 4th guy came, this
time he was the General Manager, he said to us that he will improve the
last offer as if I was trying to bargain with him, but I told him that
a this point I wasn’t interested in buying anything at all regardless
of the price, nevertheless he made us a better offer, the 49,000 points
but this time for only $4,900 which make me think, good thing I
didn’t buy the 49,000 points at the regular price of $17,800 when you
can get it at $4,900. Again I decline and a 5th guy came, this one was
really rude and aggressive, he was asking me why wasn’t I accepting
these great deals?? I refuse to give him a excuse, so I just said I am
not interested, he get a piece of paper and made me a even better
offer, this time for $2,900 and then I said, One more time I am not
interested at all, to what he responded to me, “Well, them I am not
interested in selling it to you”.

Finally, 3hours and 30 minutes later, they let us leave the office. A
lady took us to the exit and said that we were getting our price, right
at the door there was a drum full of tickets, my wife picked one and
gave to the lady, see looked at the ticket and it was the price for:
– 8 Sun filled Florida days and 7 Magical nights for 2 Adults & 3 kids
in Orlando (Hotel/Motel only)

They gave us a photocopy of a paper, which we read later on in the
car, and it says almost to the letter the same as in this website:

http://www.showsmart...pectacular1.cfm

The main portion of the photocopy was the rules:
– The hotel could be a Motel – You need to pay $10 per night surcharge – You need to pay the Hotel/Motel taxes – You need to pay the Administration fees – You need to pay the service charges – You need to pay for Roll away beds – You need to pay for the Items of personal use (Toilet paper, soap,
etc..) – You need to pay for the meals – You need to pay Florida Room/Country taxes

The regular price of this package is estimated as $315 to $500 per
week, which if you add your fees, taxes, surcharges per night, etc..
You will be paying about the same or more than the actual cost and you
do not have a choice of room or quality of the accommodation.

In addition you need to get there, so add to that the flight, taxis and
rent a car, to me sounds like a SCAM.

Stay away; it is a waste of time. That is my advice. I went because I
didn’t really know about what was involved, I could not find anything
in the web about them. Now you know…!
And knowing is half the battle – GiJoe!

Knowledge is power.

http://www.backpack....0102-post3.html

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Standaard Re: TVS, The vacation store, 216 Chrislea road, suite 202
On May 10, 11:01 pm, cisco <romero.franci...@gmail.com> wrote:
Citaat:
Here's the scam:

You are told you won one of the following:

1. 1000$ US
2. Royal Caribbean cruise for 2 people
3. 60" flat screen HD TV
4. Orlando Florida trip for your family
5. Cancun Mexico trip for your family

All you have to do is redeem it at 216 Chrislea road in Woodbridge
Ontario.

Simple right?
Not quite

You go there and have to fill out personnel info

You sit through an aggressive presentation where they try to sell you
points to redeem for vacation
If you refuse all of this, they will barter with you and be rude to
you (they work on a commission)


If you refuse to buy, you draw out your prize (you don't pick)
you will win the family trip (always), except that:
1. it does not include airfare
2. you pay a 10 dollar surcharge 10 our of the 12 months of the year
3. the trip must be at least one week
4. Air fare, transportation, hotel taxes, administrative fees,
service charges, meals, roll away beds, are not included in this offer
and are the sole responsibility of the user. Florida room/tourist tax,
administrative fees and service charges are payable in advance of
confirmation

the whole ordeal takes 3 hours

It's a SCAM
Just a note that they're still calling around today (May 23rd) with
this "promotion". He identified himself as calling from TVS, Buffalo
New York. The gent who called me listed the exact same prizes as
above. After repeatedly trying to get the caller to send me all five
prizes, I relented and let him tell me about the "dignified" ceremony
at which I would receive one of the prizes. I believe he briefly
mentioned a thirty minute presentation during his pitch.

He then listed the address as: TVS, 216 Chrislea Road, 2nd Floor,
Woodbridge, Ontario L4L 8X5.

The caller let slip that the prizes were only available to couples
between the ages of 30 and 69. When I lied and told him I was a mere
youngster of 28 as was my wife, he left the phone to confer with his
manager. At this point, I put the phone up to my stereo system and
blasted a little James Brown into my phone. He hung up after about
thirty seconds. Funk cures all.

Another thread on this scam from someone who also attended:
http://groups.google...b8c36784d4a52cf

http://disgruntlednewf.spaces.live.com/blo...F!853.entry

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December 02
TVS - the vacation store or the vacation SCAM
this is a public service announcement:

if you live in ontario and someone calls you saying you won a prize like a 60 inch PLASMA screen tv or some kinda vacation and you dont remember filling out any ballots.. ask em who they are.. if they tell you its national gift center or you have to go to woodbridge to a place call TVS .. its a fraud

i was almost hooked till now.. the name of the place is TVS ... THE VACATION STORE
what do you do at stores?
BUY STUFF

so they called and told me .. he slipped up when he told me the name.. last night he says bring your credit card..ANOTHER red flag!!

so this dickhead calls and wants to know if i will be coming.. i say no.. he wants to know why ive decided against it and if i was skeptical about it... they want YOU to ask questions but they dont want to tell you shit unless you ask

he said they had food ordered as well.. something sam told me is something they will be doing as well..

his voice changed and wanted to know why now all of a sudden.. i just said i was not coming and thats it.. why he says.. i said" i told you why.. i am NOT COMING.. give it to someone else"

fucking persistant little bastard...

anyways i hope someone finds this thru some search engine and reads this.. ive done you a service..

so again my faith in humans have been weakened by these pieces of shit.. thanks to the people whove experianced this, im able to get away from it and oweing nothing
something tells me i might hear from them again today

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Johnny
October 11 5:32 PM

It's October 2007 and they're still in the market?!! Gosh! Just got a phone call from them and did a search on the web an found this. Well, now I remebered I've been to one of their "Dinner Meeting" few years before and sure they serve dinner. They sure pressured me to spend some money but such a stingy guy like me, don't think about squeezing a dime from me, ha ha! If you have time to burn, want a free dinner and just happen to live close to their office, why not go for a free dinner. Just remeber don't bring any money or credit card. Just tell them you're broke and just want a free dinner.

Take care.

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(no name)
October 30 8:45 AM
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The Vacation Store on Chrislea Rd in Woodbridge is still very much alive. Stay the hell away from these bastards! They tried to sucker me into their “free gift package” but made me very skeptical when they wanted me AND my wife to come to the “gift ceremony” to pick up the prize. The caller said the “ceremony” would last about 70 to 90 minutes. He wouldn’t tell me what it was about or if they were selling anything and simply stressed it was a promotional offer from 5 multi-national companies including RCA and Royal Caribbean Cruise Lines. I told him that if I won something, to send it in the mail to me. Of course, that’s couldn’t happen so I thanked him and hung up. Five minutes later one of his associates called back and simply said “Why did you hang up on us?” That’s when I told him to quit calling me or I would charge him with harassment. This is simply a front for pushing time share programs. They are dirty bastards who should be avoided !!!

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(no name)
March 03 5:23 PM
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February 2008. They are still trying. Got a call yesterday saying that I was guaranteed to win one of 5 prizes. They screwed up when they read back the information I had "supposedly" written on a ballot back in december. They had my name right but messed up on another piece of information which there is no way I would have put on any ballot because it is not true. There is no way I am going. If they call back today a very cordial FU is waiting for them. BEWARE.

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(no name)
March 04 6:50 PM
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Guess what...it is now March 08 and I just got the call too.
Luckily, I was in front of my computer and googled their company name. All I could find, as the lady was explaining how lucky I was, were complaints and complaints and complaints from other people like you.

So I stopped her and went through what I was reading on screen, funny enough she rushed me off the phone and said I should not beleive what people write on the Internet...

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Mike
March 04 11:15 PM

I just got called by these guys. The first person I talked to had such a heavy accent, I couldn't understand anything he was saying, something about TVS and a hotel or something. After 2 minutes of listening to gobbledygook, he put someone else on the line, who told me I had entered into a draw back in December, and my name had been drawn for a prize. I told him I didn't remember entering my name for anything, but he insisted that my name had been entered. He even read back to me the information that was on my 'ballot', including my name and address. The thing is, my last name was misspelled on the 'ballot'. This raised some red flags right there. Interestingly, my name is misspelled the exact same way in the phone directory. I was going to get it fixed, but now I see it has its advantages...

Anyway, they gave the list of prizes, and said we had to go there in person. Before he could give me their location, he had to ask me some questions to verify that I met the 'qualifications', including my age bracket, marital status, and household income(?!). At this point I hung up.

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(no name)
March 08 9:18 PM
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Just got a call from these guys today. Heavy accent on the 1st guy who didn't even identify himself to me when he called (1st red flag). He insisted that I entered a contest on Dec 18 in relation to some RCA electronics contest. When I asked him if he is a representative of RCA, he did not answer (2nd red flag). He gave me the run down of all the prizes & gave me the 216 Chrislea rd unit 202 woodbridge address and wanted to verify my "qualifications". When I refused to verify any of them, he forwarded me to his "senior manager". The senior manager comes on and insists that I entered the contest back in December. I ask him where he's calling from, he says "Buffalo" (WTF?!). I ask what company he is calling on behalf of, he says TVS. A quick google search while I have him on the phone exposes this scam.

(no name)
March 19 2:04 PM
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I got a call from these guys too!

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(no name)
March 19 2:10 PM
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If you want these yo-yo's to stop calling, lodge a complaint with RECOL, they are associated witih the RCMP. You can file your complaint online (www.recol.ca) or call them toll free at 1-888-495-8501.

Hopefully the cops can shut these peoople down. The more complaints received by RECOL the stronger the case against this "Vacation Store"!! Bunch of bullies!!

And remember, you don't have to hear what they have to say, tell them your hanging up and then do it! If they call back, tell them again and hang up. It's like email, you're just "deleting" them!!

(no name)
March 29 12:22 AM
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They called me tonight....I was almost had but the guy was so rude that i hung up on them. a quick google and i was ready for them on the callback

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(no name)
May 03 12:37 PM
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Listen, guys. Thanks so much for the info you've shared. I got a call today (May 2008) and almost got suckered into this one. I was actually contemplating going, but decided to research the net first. I love google!
cheers

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Tony yawar
June 25 2:03 AM
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Well Guys i was thinking the same that it's a scam, but i was a little excited that i have won a Gift worth 1000 of $ so i was free on Weekends so i just went there to check what the hell is this thing. I Spend about 90 mins over there and in the last i was given a scratch card and after scratching it i was shocked to see that i have won a 60 inches T.V and it was delivered to my home in 3 hours. Woooh what a cool thing to do and i did not spent a single penny. The truth was that i havent filled out any entry or ballot but God knows how they got my information but i am happy that i got the T.V for free and telling you people the truth when the people called me back to verify that if i have received my gift i asked them to keep my name on their list and call me back if theres any more of these promotions.

The company name and address the same TVS(Building no 216, Chrislea Road, 2nd Floor, Woodbridge-Ontario). I talked to a person name Adam Gilchrist. He also gave me his no its 647-477-4150. I do want you guys to call this guy and ask him about these gift packages i am sure that these guys get commission on the people they book so they will most probaly be giving away these gifts to any one who trys to claim so why miss a opurtunity like this...........

Byeeeeeeee

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Andy Pascoe
June 30 5:21 PM
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Well, it’s June 30, 2008 and they’re still at it! Sounds like they haven’t changed their pitch one bit.

I just got a call from the “National Grand Center” in Buffalo. Apparently I filled out a coupon at Walmart last year. Well, maybe so. In any case, today, the 5 prizes offered are: a 60 inch HD plasma TV, $1,000 US cash, a Royal Caribbean cruise for 2 departing Miami, 1 week at Hilton Head for 2 and a set of Ping golf clubs, or a week in Orlando OR Cancun for the whole family.

Pretty slick pitch: “This isn’t a time share”, “we are conforming to Canadian federal law”, “Dinner and gift ceremony at 216 Chrislea Road, 2nd floor, Woodbridge, Ontario”. "Bring your wife". I even got a “God bless you”.

Thank goodness for the Internet and Google searches. Most comments I found when searching “TVS", "The Vacation Store” and "travel scam" are skeptical or negative but didn't provide a lot of information. The pitch, apparently, is to have you spend thousand of dollars buying "points" for future travel and vacations. Here's a link to a fellow who sat through a three and a half hour heavy duty pressure sales pitch: http://groups.google...b8c36784d4a52cf

Buyer beware! There is always a catch -don’t get yourself suckered into an unfortunate scam.

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(no name)
July 23 10:13 AM
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They are still going strong. I must get 2-3 calls per year from this company. they wanted me to come to their "award centre" but lucky me, when they gave me the info, I threw it straight into google, tossed their pitch back at them and told them to try a different sucker.

they hung up with the comment "love, peace, many hugs, and kisses to you" - PUKE

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(no name)
August 20 6:34 PM
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It's Aug 20, 2008 and I just got my first call from these A-holes. They got my name right, but age and status way off, and they quoted my my annual income. Not only was it way off, but what legitimate ballot would require income? What a scam. How on earth are they allowed to misrepresent themselves on the phone like that? They should all be arrested and prevented from owning telephones.

I copied this from someone below... looks like a good way to save some poor sucker a lot of time and money!

Lodge a complaint with RECOL, they are associated witih the RCMP. You can file your complaint online (www.recol.ca) or call them toll free at 1-888-495-8501.

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Bally
September 20 9:21 AM
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It's September 20, 2008 and I got the same phone call last night, that I have been reading about on many different blog sites.

They told me that I had entered a draw in December (thinking to myself - wow they take a long time to fulfill on their prizes. Normal time to fulfill is 2-3 months). Then they told me that I entered the draw at Walmart - second red flag - I have never been to Walmart! So they quickly assured me that they were three locations where I could have filled it out and maybe it was Sears. When I kept asking what promotion I filled out the ballot for they couldn't answer me.

When the requirement questions came and they asked me if I was between 30-65 and I said no - the person on the phone said he was turning off the recorder and that I should bring ID that didn't have my date of birthday and that this was a favour he was doing for me - after I told him that I didn't have any ID with a photo without my DOB he said I should have a lot of ID without my DOB and now all of a sudden I don't need photo ID - I hung up on him and they proceeded to call back 4 times!!

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Cyrus
September 27 12:21 PM
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Really appreciate the post. I almost went out of my way to go all the way there. They told me I have to bring a common law or girlfriend or else i coulnt attend. That was my red flag. People really need to get a life. The reason I almost fell for it is because they knew my name and I did fill out a ballot not too long ago. Thanks again for the post, saved me a lot of headache and time.

[perkos]

Radi se o klasičnoj multilevel prodaji. Da bi dobio vaučer, moraćeš da odeš na njihovu prezentaciju gde će par sati da te guše i pokušavaju da ti uvale članstvo u nekoj turističkoj grupi, tipa time-sharing ali mnogo "bolje". Na kraju ćeš dobiti vaučer prihvatio ili ne njihove ponude, a da li ćeš vaučer stvarno moći i da iskoristiš, to ne znam. Svi koje znam da su se zeznuli i otišli po taj vaučer, stvarno su ga i dobili, ali na kraju niko nije ni pokušao da ga iskoristi.

I moja iskustva su slična,na prezentaciji neki lik nam je na silu probao uvaliti neke dušeke,jorgane,jastuke dobar deo nagrađenih je po nešto kupio neki čak i na rate jer nisu imali novca kod sebe ali su svi dobili vaučere na kraju bez obzira da li si nešto kupio,putovalo se u Hrvatsku na Istru!

[Tutankamon]

To za Istru je ekstra. Znači, moja sestra je bila. Tvoja je obaveza da dođeš na tu prezentaciju gde ti ponude svašta (moji nisu ništa kupili, ne zato što stvari nisu bile kvalitetne nego su bile skupe ali su kupovali mnogi) a onda dobiješ boravak u Istri od tri dana (sve ti je plaćeno) za jednu osobu po porodici. Jedino je platila izlet brodićem. Put i dva noćenja su za džabe kao i klopa...ekstra se provela tako da ako neko dobije obavezno neka ide...moja preporuka!

Edited by Tutankamon, 21 October 2008 - 22:55.