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2008 FORMULA 1 TELEFONICA GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE


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#1 alberto.ascari

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 16:45

Vreme je za novi topic. Pošto je staza nova i za F1 nepoznata, ovog puta bez tehničke analize.

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Description of the Track Layout and its Route through the Port of Valencia

The Valencia Formula 1 street circuit is framed by the Grao area and more specifically will pass through the inner docks of the port and around the streets of the future neighbourhood that will eventually be built between the railway track, the port and the old bed of the River Turia.

Despite being a street track, its specifications and safety are the same as at a permanent track. The track length is nearly five and a half kilometres long and the width will be at least 14 metres wide including two hard shoulders of asphalt agglomerate identical to those of the track, each a metre wide on each side. Likewise runoff zones will be accounted for on the turns. The asphalt surface that will be used will be made up of modified bitumen with strong resistance to horizontal traction as applied to the surfaces of racing tracks. It will also have the usual drainage systems and in difference to the rest of the city streets it will not have any manhole or drain covers.

The start straight and the pits are located in the former port stalls. The layout of the track continues around the docks in a clockwise direction on the perimeter road until it reaches the point known as "Grua Cabria" where it approaches the cliff of the port passing in front of the America's Cup bases of Luna Rossa Challenge and BMW Oracle Racing before returning to the road with a left turn around the base of the Alinghi team.

The layout then moves on to the "Paseo de las Palmeras" before reaching the esplanade prior to the North Marina where through a series of slow turns it has a perpendicular approach to the dock access canal which it crosses over a swing bridge.

Once it reaches the South Marina area the track passes near to the edge of the quay following the curve described by it and where it then passes by the place where the current lifting bridge is located next to the wall that separates the sports marina from the commercial port.

After passing by the fish market, the track leaves the dock area through the "Astilleros" (shipyard) gates and heads straight on to the bridge with the same name, but before reaching it, there is a 90º turn to the right to enter the new urban area of Grao. It is here that the track borders the old River Turia bed until it reaches the railway line where there is a hairpin bend in front of the Grao cemetery to take the track north to the continuation of the Avenida de Francia.

When it reaches the new avenue, it runs down the right hand side, crosses the roundabout that links this neighbourhood to the Las Moreras neighbourhood and then passes through a series of "S" bends to negotiate some existing buildings that are still in use in the area. Finally, the track crosses the Ingeniero Manuel Soto Avenue and with a turn to the left enters the home straight now within the port area.

Track specifications

Total track length 5.473,5 metres
Estimated lap time 1 min 37 seconds
Estimated maximum speed 323,3 km/h
Estimated minimum speed 95,2 km/h
Estimated average speed 201,3 Km/h
Length of Pit Lane 657 metres
Length of service roads 3.824 metres
Length of private access service roads 1.828 metres
Minimum width on home straight 15 metres
Minimum width on rest of track 12 metres
Number of turns 25
Left turns 11


More Monza than Monaco - why Valencia's no ordinary street circuit

Mention the term ‘street circuit’ and the words that normally spring to mind include ‘tight’, ‘twisty’, ‘slow’, and ‘minimal overtaking’. However, the all-new Valencia Street Circuit, venue for next weekend’s European Grand Prix, is set to provide a very different experience.

Winding around the Spanish port’s Juan Carlos I Marina, home to the recent 32nd America’s Cup yacht race, the Valencia track is fast, sweeping and wide, and offers several potential opportunities for passing. Predictions suggest it will be the eighth-fastest race on the calendar, making it more like Monza than Monaco.

"When you think about temporary street races in Formula One, you mainly think about Monaco,” says Mercedes’ Norbert Haug. “However, Valencia does not have very much in common with this classic race; just that both cities are located on the Mediterranean coast and that both circuits lead along the harbour front.”

Official simulations have estimated a top speed of 320 km/h at the end of Valencia’s main straight and an estimated lap time around the 1m 37s bracket. With an expected average speed of 225 km/h, the circuit should be on a par with a venue such as Bahrain (average speed 205 km/h) and far quicker than Monte Carlo.

“This is not typical for a street race; it is more like a version of Silverstone or Monza but located in a city," adds Haug. “While the Monte Carlo race is the slowest of the year with an average speed of about 156 km/h for the fastest lap, and is also the shortest with a race distance of almost 254 kilometres, we face a race distance of 310 kilometres in Valencia and a track on which the cars will reach 300 km/h or more five times per lap.”

The new venue is likely to prove as tough on brakes as Canada’s Montreal street circuit, with three stops down to around 80 km/h. Engines will also get a demanding workout, with the longest full-throttle section along the harbour-side back straight lasting a full 13 seconds.

"It looks pretty fast, to be honest,” says McLaren’s Heikki Kovalainen. “You get used to street circuits being quite slow, with lots of slow- to medium-speed corners and very short straights, but this is almost the opposite. There are a lot of fast kinks and esses, a couple of decent straights and lots of high-speed stuff.”

McLaren’s simulations suggest they will employ downforce levels similar to those used at Hockenheim in Germany. However, there will be less margin for driver error thanks to the combination of relatively high speeds and relatively few run-off areas.

“Anybody who’s studied any onboard footage of the circuit will be mindful of the proximity of the concrete barriers in certain areas,” says McLaren’s Formula One CEO, Martin Whitmarsh. “Clearly, we’ll be packing plenty of spares, but hoping we won’t need to use them!"

Opening practice for the European Grand Prix takes place on Friday, August 22.


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Edited by alberto.ascari, 17 August 2008 - 16:50.


#2 SaleKostolac

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Posted 17 August 2008 - 18:24

Glas za Fernanda.Zasto?Neznam...javlja mi se :ph34r:

#3 Jr

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Posted 18 August 2008 - 05:42

AA, znam za koga si glasao :ph34r:

#4 alberto.ascari

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Posted 18 August 2008 - 15:28

AA, znam za koga si glasao :D



nije moguće! :D

:ph34r: :)

#5 Downforce

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Posted 18 August 2008 - 16:20

Evo i tehnicke analize Renaultovog tima:

Aerodynamics
The track layout means that the teams will run with relatively low levels of downforce, similar to those used in Montreal for the Canadian Grand Prix. This is possible as there are no high-speed corners and good straight-line speed is important down the long back straight. However, it won't be until free practice begins on Friday that the team will be able to finalise aero levels, which can depend on the grip offered by the tarmac.

Brakes

The circuit is expected to be particularly demanding on the brakes and on a par with somewhere like Bahrain. There are frequent large stops from over 300kph, such as turns 12 and 17, leading into tight second gear corners which will put high energy though the braking systems. Brake cooling will also need special attention with teams likely to use reasonably large cooling ducts.

General car set-up
The drivers need a responsive and well balanced car with good change of direction to deal with the high-speed kinks that are spread around the circuit. But, as always, this needs to be balanced with a supple enough suspension to give good mechanical grip in the low-speed corners. There are a few curbs that the drivers can use, mainly on the corner exits, but until the drivers take to the track it is difficult to predict what impact they will have on car set-up. Good braking stability is also important, especially at the end of the straights, to avoid locking wheels on a track where there is little margin for error.

Tyres
Bridgestone will bring the soft and super-soft compounds from its 2008 range, just as it did for the Hungarian Grand Prix. The softest compounds from the range will offer good grip on what is likely to be quite a slippery track surface to begin with. However, like any temporary circuit, we can expect the track to begin the weekend very ‘green' and gradually evolve, becoming faster with each lap as it rubbers-in. As yet, the teams have no tyre data and so evaluating tyres and assessing the abrasive qualities of the tarmac will be a priority during free practice.

Engine
The mix of straights, low speed chicanes and hairpins means that the engine will be used in a very stop-start fashion. About 54% of the lap is expected to be spent at full throttle, which is below average for the season and so it will not be too severe a test for the engine. The key to a good lap time is therefore not peak power, but good torque to help launch the car out of the slow corners and onto the straights. Getting the car well balanced will therefore be of utmost importance to avoid understeer out of the low-speed corners to allow early application of the throttle.


Ja ocekujem sejfti kar festival. Prema onome sto citam na autosportu i timovi imaju isto misljenje.

#6 Klika

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Posted 20 August 2008 - 18:16

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
Ocekujem bar tri SC izlaska, ako sam ja dobro video, sve sami beton sa strane.....

#7 Uzice

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Posted 21 August 2008 - 15:03

Najbolja staza koju sam do sada video, za IndyCar seriju, naravno.
Glasao sam za FA, mada on i Kimi imaju najvece sanse da overe ove zidine, ne znam zasto to mislim al...

#8 Vincenzo

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Posted 21 August 2008 - 19:56

Nisam znao daje ovako brza staza, mislim da ce biti supet zanimljivo, jedva cekam :ph34r:

Glasao sam za Kimija zbog zelje da sampionat bude zanimljiviji (kao da vec nije :) ), a i cenim da je krajnje vreme da nesto uradi.

Edited by Vincenzo, 21 August 2008 - 19:56.


#9 Klika

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Posted 21 August 2008 - 20:25

Ferari ima ozbiljnih problema sa balansom bolida, da li ce to srediti do trke, videcemo.

Edited by Klika, 21 August 2008 - 20:26.


#10 alberto.ascari

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Posted 22 August 2008 - 09:51

live

#11 alberto.ascari

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Posted 22 August 2008 - 10:09

JT opet u boxu.

#12 alberto.ascari

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Posted 22 August 2008 - 10:36

vremena i poredak sa prvog treninga obećavaju izuzetno zanimljivu trku

VET
MAS
HAM
BOU

#13 Uzice

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Posted 22 August 2008 - 12:36

1. Vettel Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:40.496
2. Massa Ferrari 1:40.654 + 0.158
3. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:40.822 + 0.326
4. Bourdais Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:41.099 + 0.603
5. Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1:41.163 + 0.667
6. Kubica BMW Sauber 1:41.281 + 0.785
7. Raikkonen Ferrari 1:41.317 + 0.821
8. Nakajima Williams-Toyota 1:41.329 + 0.833
9. Alonso Renault 1:41.385 + 0.889
10. Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1:41.706 + 1.210
11. Barrichello Honda 1:41.830 + 1.334
12. Trulli Toyota 1:41.930 + 1.434 27
13. Sutil Force India-Ferrari 1:41.951 + 1.455 23
14. Glock Toyota 1:42.036 + 1.540 27
15. Piquet Renault 1:42.107 + 1.611 32
16. Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1:42.453 + 1.957 23
17. Button Honda 1:42.460 + 1.964 29
19. Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 1:43.075 + 2.579 25
19. Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:43.312 + 2.816 23
20. Fisichella Force India-Ferrari 1:43.524 + 3.028 24

#14 alberto.ascari

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Posted 22 August 2008 - 14:37

2. trening, nezvanično. Biće 1-2 u nedelju

P. Jezdec Tým Čas Ztráta Kol
1 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 1:39,477 - 30
2 Fernando Alonso Renault 1:39,497 + 0,020 39
3 Jenson Button Honda 1:39,546 + 0,069 35
4 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:39,678 + 0,201 31
5 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:39,712 + 0,235 31
6 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1:39,954 + 0,477 30
7 Timo Glock Toyota 1:39,967 + 0,490 32
8 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1:40,149 + 0,672 35
9 Nelson Piquet Renault 1:40,439 + 0,962 32
10 Giancarlo Fisichella Force India-Ferrari 1:40,500 + 1,023 23
11 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:40,585 + 1,108 24
12 Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1:40,607 + 1,130 34
13 David Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 1:40,696 + 1,219 22
14 Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota 1:40,742 + 1,265 34
15 Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:40,877 + 1,400 31
16 Sebastian Vettel Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:40,982 + 1,505 36
17 Adrian Sutil Force India-Ferrari 1:40,999 + 1,522 32
18 Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1:41,084 + 1,607 35
19 Sébastien Bourdais Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:41,246 + 1,769 38
20 Rubens Barrichello Honda 1:41,377 + 1,900 31

Edited by alberto.ascari, 22 August 2008 - 14:40.


#15 Downforce

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Posted 22 August 2008 - 15:00

Biće 1-2 u nedelju

Sacekajmo zvanicni trening. :ph34r: Za sada nije lose...narocito vremenske prilike... :)