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#1 alpiner

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 13:50

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Monocoque: Moulded carbon fibre and honeycomb construction
Fuel tank: ATL safety cell
Suspension: Carbon fibre double wishbone arrangement, with carbon fibre trackrod and pushrod.
Dampers: Penske
Wheels: BBS forged magnesium
Tyres: Bridgestone Potenza
Brakes: Brembo callipers and master cylinders, Hitco material (carbon/carbon)
Steering: Toyota power-assisted steering. Toyota carbon fibre steering wheel with Toyota / Magneti Marelli
instruments
Driver's seat: Carbon fibre
Restraints: Takata
HANS device: Hubbard-Downing
Electronics: Toyota, Magneti Marelli plus McLaren Electronics Systems ECU (as required by FIA rules)
Transmission: 7-speed unit plus reverse
Overall length: 4636mm
Overall height: 950mm
Overall width: 1800mm
Overall weight: 605kg including driver and camera

Longer wheelbase, new aero concept for latest Toyota

Toyota say their new car is significantly different to its predecessor, as a result of the team’s continuous search for improvement, as well as regulation changes. In addition to a longer wheelbase, the TF108 boasts a distinctive new aerodynamic concept and advanced suspension lay-outs.

“The main reason for making the wheelbase longer is to achieve more stability, but secondly we also expect greater aerodynamic development potential, giving our aerodynamicists wider surfaces and more space to play with,” explained Pascal Vasselon, the team’s senior general manager (chassis).

“The aerodynamic concept of this car has changed. The TF107 was an evolution of the TF106, but this time the new package is a departure from recent Toyotas. The primary aerodynamic design philosophy for the TF108 is geared towards optimising the entire package. In mechanical terms we felt we had a strong basis so we have focused on making a few refinements.”

Improvements on the new car are not restricted to chassis development. Under the skin of the TF108 lies a new gearbox and, importantly, a new standardised electronic control unit (ECU) for the RVX-08 engine.

The change to a standard ECU represented a major challenge, as Luca Marmorini, senior general manager (engine), explained: “On a Formula One engine, or indeed any modern car engine, even the mechanical parts are controlled by electronics so this is a big, big change.

“For a high revving engine, like in a Formula One car, the engine will definitely change a lot from a dynamic point of view due to a change in the control system. It is a big investment from a development point of view to adapt it.”

With engine development largely frozen by the regulations, only minor modifications have been allowed in the interests of reliability. This has meant Toyota concentrating on how the engine is used, dragging every last bit of performance from the package as well as constantly improving the elements around the engine where development is permitted - all this, while optimising engine performance with a new ECU and the traction control ban.

“That work does have a positive effect on performance and lap time but we are not speaking about big changes because we do not have the freedom,” added Marmorini. “We can only work within this very strict framework but we have done some interesting development and we expect to see positive results in 2008.”

Following its launch, work resumes immediately on the TF108 with a roll out on January 13, followed by the car’s first official test a day later, both at Jerez in Spain. Following that there are a further five tests before the start of the season, the Australian Grand Prix in March.

#2 Rad-oh-yeah?

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 13:57

Interesantno - novi Ferari je skinuo Tojotin proslogodisnji "dvokrilac" nos dok se Tojota odlucila za resenje slicno proslogodisnjem Meklarenu sa ovim mostom. Bas me zanima koja je tacno razlika, za ovaj most su Meklarenovci govorili da im sluzi za smirivanje vazduha sto ide preko bolida i tako povecava efikasnost zadnjeg krila (ne trebaju oni vikinski rogovi i druge dzidzabidze na poklopcu motora), koju je prednost Ferari video u ovom resenju koje se prosle godine ako je suditi po Tojotinim rezultatima nije bas pokazalo? Osim ako se ne radi o onoj najavljenoj reviziji za Melburn kad ce i crvendaci da dobiju most preko nosa...

#3 alpiner

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 15:07

Povećali su međuosovinski razmak. Možda ovo ima veze sa novim balansom i količinom downforcea na prednjem kraju bolida.

#4 Downforce

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Posted 10 January 2008 - 17:13

Bez uvrede Toyotinim navijacima, ali ovi ljudi ne znaju gde udaraju i sta hoce...

Nabudzili su prednje krilo na foru McLarena ali pri tom uopste ne shvatajuci poentu onoga sto su prethodno pomenuti hteli da postignu. Ovako postavljeno krilo ce samo povecati otpor vazduha. Ako malo bolje pogledate McLarenovo most krilo, ono je na srednjem delu zaravnjeno i profil je takav da skrece struju vazduha tako da ona prati profil nosa bolida. Iz tog razloga postoji i nagib samog krila(vrh mu je nizi od zadnjeg kraja), kojeg kod Toyote nema. Ovo krilo, kako je vec Radoje napisao, usmerava struju vazduha oko bolida tako da poveca efikasnost zadnjeg krila.

Uporedite oblik samog krila...

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Pogledajte samo kako su ga izlomatali u odnosu na McLaren...cemu to? Opet komplikuju...

I ovaj deo ispred zadnjeg tocka...Ferrari i McLaren su ga resili tako da vazduh koji bi inace isao preko tocka, preusmere na zadnje krilo. Kod Toyote to nije slucaj. Napravili su ga zakrivljenog i podeljenog na dva dela. Jedan usmerava vazduh preko tocka dok ovaj drugi vertikalni vrsi usmeravanje na zadnje krilo...evo i slike...

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Evo i kako je McLaren to resio...dimnjak preusmerava struju vazduha na zadnje krilo pri cemu za visak vazduha koji ide preko bocnih usisnika(onaj koji uspe da pobegne takoreci) takodje postoji dodatno krilce koje ga preusmerava preko zadnjeg tocka...

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Ima tu jos posla. Napreduju, ali jos mnogo trebaju da rade.

Samo kad su se ratosiljali one iskrivljene gornje vodjice prednjeg tocka...

#5 alpiner

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Posted 11 January 2008 - 00:01

Verovao sam da će gigant kakav je Toyota ipak uspeti da napravi nešto više u F1. Njihova korporativna logika, o kojoj smo već raspravljali, je pokazale sve svoje slabosti. Podsetiću, Toyota za razliku od ostalih timova na čelu ima "bord mozgova" a ne direktora kao ostale ekipe. Koliko mi je pozanato Honda je pokušala da primeni sličan koncept. Svi znamo kako su završili. Honda je sada jednostavno dala pare i dovela najboljeg čoveka u poslu. Nadao sam se da će se i Toyota odluči za sličnu stvar. Dugo vremena sam verovao kako njihov najveći problem nije organizacija koliko manjak dobrih konstruktora. Na početku angažmana u F1 su imali više službenika i ljudi u marketingu nego inženjera. Ne vidim da su doveli neke nove ljude u tehnički deo ekipe i sigurno je da im sleduje prosek i borba sa "privatnicima". Uprava im je dala rok od dve godine da nešto urade. Ako izostanu rezultati možda će se jednostavno vezati za Williams, ili ga kupiti, u budućnosti.

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Posted 17 January 2008 - 23:45

Toyota committed to F1 until 2012

January 17th 2008, 10:28 GMT


Toyota have no intention to leave Formula One at least until 2012, according to team president John Howett, who denied the Japanese squad have been given a two-year deadline to succeed.

"The rumours about us leaving the sport have always been groundless," Howett was quoted as saying by Autosprint. "Having signed the Concorde Agreement, we are in it at least until 2012.

"We never received deadlines from Japan regarding the next two years."

Toyota team principal Tadashi Yamashina said earlier this year in the team's annual motorsport report that he had two more years to achieve success in Formula One.

"To become stronger it is more important to improve the level of organization in general rather than to rely on the power of one person," said Yamashina. "And my job is to mobilize the resources to achieve that.

"I have been given two more years. So, we will work and fight to make sure we prove ourselves in the 2008 season."

Yamashina said, however, that his words had been misinterpreted and insisted there are no ultimatums from Toyota.

"My words were misinterpreted," he was quoted as saying by the Italian magazine. "When I mentioned the two-year deadline to get results, it wasn't an ultimatum, I wasn't referring to Toyota's presence in F1, I was talking about the extent of my appointment."

Toyota, with one of the biggest budgets in the sport, are yet to win a race in Formula One.