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#61 Sleepers

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Posted 08 December 2007 - 07:37

Dobro, ako je insistiranje da se drzimo makar nekih elementarnih cinjenica isto sto i cenzura, onda nastavite da uzivate u zabavi - bez mene.

Dovidjenja i laku noc.


Stvarno mi nije jasno gdje ti na ovom topicu vidis cenzuru, a jos manje trol. To sto netko ne voli McLaren ili se ne slaze s tvojim misljenjem, pa smatras da je za to zasluzio ban ili warn, bi tek bila neosnovana cenzura. O cemu bismo uopce diskutirali da uvijek svi mislimo isto?

Pretjerujes. :rolleyes:

#62 Crash and Burn

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Posted 08 December 2007 - 07:46

Be cool, još samo

99 DAYS, 4 HOURS, 56 MINUTES AND 28 SECONDS BEFORE THE AUSTRALIAN GP

A i ti se primaš čim neko spomene McL :rolleyes: (mada je ovj post bio missim stvarno....) :huh:


Ja jesam Ferrari-jev strastveni navijač, i priznajem da ponekad možda i preteram. Ali je činjenica da je McLaren koristio Ferrari-jevu intelektualnu svojinu pa i dalje stojim ispred one prethodne izjave ma koliko ona stupidna bila!

#63 alberto.ascari

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Posted 08 December 2007 - 10:28

Ja jesam Ferrari-jev strastveni navijač, i priznajem da ponekad možda i preteram. Ali je činjenica da je McLaren koristio Ferrari-jevu intelektualnu svojinu pa i dalje stojim ispred one prethodne izjave ma koliko ona stupidna bila!



OK :rolleyes:

#64 alpiner

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Posted 13 December 2007 - 18:15

McLaren se izvinjava FIA-i

By Jonathan Noble Thursday, December 13th 2007, 16:01 GMT


McLaren have offered to impose a moratorium on developing parts on their 2008 car that could have been inspired by Ferrari intellectual property, after apologising to the FIA over their failure to realise how much data from their rivals had spread within their team.

In a letter sent to FIA president Max Mosley on December 5 and published on McLaren's website today, the team admitted that Ferrari information had been more widely 'disseminated' within the team than they previously thought.

And in light of an inspection of their 2008 car by FIA appointed officials throwing up the suggestions that the deployment of quickshift, fast fill, or the use of CO2 as a tyre gas could have come from the Ferrari information, McLaren have offered to hold back on developing these systems.

A statement issued on McLaren's website said: "To avoid even the possibility of Ferrari information influencing our performance during 2008, McLaren has offered a set of detailed undertakings to the FIA which will impose a moratorium on development in relation to three separate systems.

"During the course of these incidents, McLaren has conducted a thorough review of its policies and procedures regarding the recruitment and management of staff. The proposals arising from this thorough review have been disclosed to the FIA and McLaren has agreed to demonstrate that all of these policies and procedures have been fully implemented.

"McLaren wish to make a public apology to the FIA, Ferrari, the Formula One community and to Formula One fans throughout the world and offer their assurance that changes are now being made which will ensure that nothing comparable to what has taken place will ever happen again. McLaren have also agreed to pay the costs incurred by the FIA for their investigation.

"McLaren now wishes to put these matters behind it and to move forward focusing on the 2008 season."

#65 alpiner

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Posted 14 December 2007 - 00:37

Ferrari: spy case legal action to continue

By Jonathan Noble Thursday, December 13th 2007, 21:17 GMT


Ferrari are ready to accept a move by the FIA to bring the McLaren spy saga to an imminent close, following an apology from the British team today, but have made it clear they will still press ahead with ongoing court action.

McLaren on Thursday published a letter of apology from F1 CEO Martin Whitmarsh to FIA president Max Mosley written last week, in which the Woking-based outfit said they were sorry for not realising the extent to which Ferrari information had manifested itself inside their organisation.

Furthermore, the team offered to freeze development of parts on their 2008 car which the FIA felt had been influenced by confidential Ferrari information that the team had in their hands.

The apology and offer of development freeze were enough for the FIA to state this evening that it would now push the World Motor Sport Council to cancel a hearing planned for February to examine the team's 2008 car plans.

Should that be accepted, then the spy matter will have a line drawn underneath it.

In response to the events, Ferrari issued a statement tonight saying they would respect the FIA's decision to take such a course of action, but made it clear they had no plans to halt legal action that is ongoing in Britain and Italy.

"Ferrari notes the apology offered today by the McLaren Group, following the investigations carried out by the FIA Technical Department, as presented to the WSMC on 7th December last," said the statement.

"The written and verbal statements issued by senior McLaren personnel both at the World Council meetings of the 26th July and 13th September and through the media have thus been publicly proved wrong.

"Therefore it is admitted that confidential information which was the property of Ferrari was disseminated within the structure of the English team and this also confirms the seriousness of the behaviour of those involved over the past few months.

"In the light of McLaren's apology and the guarantees it has presented, Ferrari respects the proposal of the FIA President to cancel the extraordinary general meeting of the WSMC scheduled for 14th February coming, thus bringing this incident to a close from a sporting point of view. However, it is confirmed that criminal actions underway in Italy and civil ones in England are still continuing."

#66 alpiner

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Posted 14 December 2007 - 08:54

FIA: McLaren planned to use Ferrari data

By Jonathan Noble Thursday, December 13th 2007, 18:50 GMT


McLaren were poised to use systems on their 2008 car that had been inspired by secret Ferrari information given to them by Nigel Stepney, the FIA's technical report on the matter reveals.

Having conducted a detailed examination of the design of McLaren's 2008 car, to see if any Ferrari intellectual property had been used, the FIA report published on Thursday claims that there was evidence of such activity.

Although what the specific parts and systems are have not been revealed, to keep McLaren's own technical secrets confidential, the report is adamant that some elements of the MP4-23 design was scheduled to include technology inspired by confidential Ferrari information.

The report states: "The [redacted - confidential] system appears to have been re-investigated and developed by McLaren as a result of the receipt of confidential Ferrari information.

"Despite senior McLaren management imposing a hiatus on development at the time the (Mike) Coughlan activities were revealed, McLaren now intend to use [redcated - confidential] on the 2008 car."

It added: "The [redacted - confidential] mechanism which McLaren has developed since the 3 May 2007 Coughlan meeting is intended to be used on the 2008 car and appears to have been initiated by the receipt of confidential Ferrari information."

Detailed examination of the report shows that one area where McLaren had appeared to utilise the Ferrari information was in the creation of a new brake balance system.

The report states: "It appears on the basis of these documents that the genesis of the idea to incorporate a [redacted - confidential] on the McLaren 2008 car emanated from the emails exchanged on 12 April 2007 concerning Ferrari's [redacted – confidential] system and the meeting called on 3 May 2007 by Coughlan. We have not been presented with a convincing explanation to displace the impression given by the documents."

The report also states that McLaren were ready to consider the use of CO2 gas in their tyres, as Ferrari do. It is believed 'more likely than not' that the idea came to the team from information given by Nigel Stepney.

The report states: "We believe the general investigation by McLaren of the use of [redcated – confidential] established further dissemination of confident Ferrari information to engineers within McLaren which has influenced their work on the 2007 and 2008 cars."

The FIA document also reveals that engineers within the team were aware of a Ferrari 'mole' passing information to them.

One email exchange between engineers on April 13, 2007 discussing steering angles mentioned an exact figure for the Ferrari wheelbase. A response from a senior McLaren engineer was: "Is the Ferrari wheelbase an accurate figure? Did it come from photos or our mole?"

The response was: "You will find it's to the nearest 'mm'."

The report states: "On a natural reading of this exchange and taking into account the suggested explanations for it, we have concluded that both [Senior McLaren Engineer] and [Senior McLaren Engineer] were aware that confidential Ferrari information was being leaked through a mole and were prepared to use that information for McLaren's benefit in the design of the 2007 and 2008 cars."

The report reveals that McLaren indeed decided to follow Ferrari's example and increase the wheelbase of their car for 2008, although it could not prove whether this was because of the secret Ferrari information or because of information that was readily available and in the public domain.

McLaren have apologised to the FIA for not being aware of just how far the Ferrari information obtained by the team had spread within their organisation, and the report reveals that even a 'Senior McLaren management figure' was aware of what was going on.

It states the unidentified senior McLaren management figure advised the team to abandon work on a secret technical development because of the spy case surrounding the team.

The report states that on August 8, a senior McLaren engineer communicated a decision reached by a senior McLaren management figure to junior staff members that they were to abandon their efforts on the development

"I would not change the [redacted – confidential] direction until we have to, i.e., when we eventually run the [redacted – confidential]. We will obviously ask for this again for Turkey but I'm not hopeful that we will run this until the outstanding FIA agro [sic] is resolved."

McLaren have vowed to cease development work on the parts that could have been inspired by Ferrari knowledge, and the FIA stated on Thursday night that it was now willing to bring the matter to a close.

#67 leone

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Posted 14 December 2007 - 20:03

Nakon ovih podataka kazna od 100 mil.$ i izvinjenje izgledaju smijesno.

Mada, ferrari iako je prihvatio izvinjenje/oldiku FIA, ne odustaje od krivicne i gradjanske/komercijalne sudske zastite u Italiji i UK. Ukoliko se ovo potvrdi na sudu mcl je u gadnim $$$$ problemima.