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Poll: Koja je buduca svetska valuta? (535 member(s) have cast votes)

Koja je buduca svetska valuta?

  1. Dolar (95 votes [21.02%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.02%

  2. Evro (196 votes [43.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.36%

  3. Juan (67 votes [14.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.82%

  4. Nesto cetvrto (94 votes [20.80%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.80%

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#1351 NenadMM

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Posted 27 March 2009 - 18:52

Ko Daytradera dira, nek mu crkne zamrzivac! :ph34r:

Thumbs up za sve do sada napisano!


Daytradera za drzavnog sekretara (da ga ne kaci promena vlasti!)

#1352 vbarac

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 16:00

Odlican tekst

http://www.rollingst..._big_takeover/1

#1353 heathen

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 16:42

Youtube Video ->Original Video


#1354 hogarstrasni

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 07:08

Interesantan (kratak!!) filmcic koji pokazuje razmere FED pozajmica u jednoj istorijskoj perspektivi




#1355 dekss

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 21:35

China Touts Yuan To Emerging Economies

Facing a precipitous slide in exports and tens of millions of unemployed migrants, China is hoping to lubricate financing for emerging markets to buy its goods, in the process symbolically raising the yuan's profile on the global economic stage.

In the first such move involving a Latin American country, China struck a 70 billion yuan ($10.2 billion) currency swap agreement with Argentina that would allow the latter to put in yuan-denominated orders for Chinese imports and thereby avoid using the U.S. dollar in bilateral trade. Analysts expect China to pursue more bilateral currency swaps with emerging markets in order to give a boost to its ailing export sector.
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The agreement with Argentina marked China's sixth bilateral currency swap. Beijing extended a 100 billion yuan ($14.6 billion) swap line to Indonesia last week and a 20 billion yuan ($2.9 billion) swap line to Belarus earlier this month. China has also reached swap arrangements with South Korea, Malaysia and Hong Kong. The swaps, totaling 650 billion yuan ($95.1 billion), will last for three years


da li i koliko ovo znaci za buducnost dolara ne znam tacno, ali mi se (laicki) cini da bi moglo da ima uticaja...

#1356 andjelko

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 21:26

Jos nije bilo pucanja balona.
Presuo se iz dot coma u housing.... pa iz housinga u financial (pomalo simultano).... pa iz financial u $, jos uvek bez pucanja.
Za razliku od prethodnih presipanja, kod ovog poslednjeg ima bar nekih pokusaja da se balonce bar malo smanji i da se naprave pripreme za bolju startnu poziciju pre nego sto konacno pukne...
Ako primat dolara bude jedina zrtva ovog ekonomskog ludovanja u poslednjih 15-tak godina bice super.

#1357 Kalif

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 00:21

Jos nije bilo pucanja balona.
Presuo se iz dot coma u housing.... pa iz housinga u financial (pomalo simultano).... pa iz financial u $, jos uvek bez pucanja.
Za razliku od prethodnih presipanja, kod ovog poslednjeg ima bar nekih pokusaja da se balonce bar malo smanji i da se naprave pripreme za bolju startnu poziciju pre nego sto konacno pukne...
Ako primat dolara bude jedina zrtva ovog ekonomskog ludovanja u poslednjih 15-tak godina bice super.



Nije bilo pucanja jer dot com (technology) sektor nije nikada ni bio tako veliki da povuce cijelu ekonomiju dole...ovdje svi polaze od tog da je housing ili dot com sva ekonomija i sve pare su tu...ni blizu istine....

Agriculture ili entertainment business su daleko veci u US nego gore navedeni sektori i niko o njima ne govori niti puno zna...jednostavno novac je mnogo vise diversified nego sto to odgovara zagovaracima

konspiracija...

problemi su ogromni ali nije ni sav housing cijela ekonomija US...

Ma u svakom slucaju cemo vidjeti...

#1358 Unbeliever

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 00:52

konspiracija...


ma ovi su isti ljudi koji su se ponosili rusijom kada je nafta platila za luks ruskih seljaka, ali sada nesto cute kada sama rusija predvidja pad GDP od 5-7%.

#1359 andjelko

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 03:17

Nije bilo pucanja jer dot com (technology) sektor nije nikada ni bio tako veliki da povuce cijelu ekonomiju dole...ovdje svi polaze od tog da je housing ili dot com sva ekonomija i sve pare su tu...ni blizu istine....

Agriculture ili entertainment business su daleko veci u US nego gore navedeni sektori i niko o njima ne govori niti puno zna...jednostavno novac je mnogo vise diversified nego sto to odgovara zagovaracima

konspiracija...

problemi su ogromni ali nije ni sav housing cijela ekonomija US...

Ma u svakom slucaju cemo vidjeti...


Pod dot.com-om ne podrazumevam samo tehnoloske akcije, vec suludi rast berze tokom 90'tih (tehnoloske akcije su bile perjanica ali uopste ne i jedine), koji je poceo naduvavanje nepostojecih vrednosti (balon).
Te nepostojece pare su prebacene u naduvanu vrednost kuca paralelno sa naduvavanjem bankovnih leverage. Sada deo tih nepostojecih vrednosti biva odstampan. Kako dolar jos ne pada, balon jos stoji.

Nije rec o apsolutnoj kolicini novca, nego o anomaliji koja je ocigledno dovoljno velika da uzdrma ostatak ekonomije.

Svaki sistem, pa i ekonomija +finansije + drzava + ljudski faktor +..., ima svoje ravnotezna stanja. Sto je neizbalansiraniji sistem, to manje perturbacije mogu da vise uticu.
Mislim da se to sada desava. Sistem je daleko od bilo kakve ravnoteze (kao sto se vidi iz gomile prethodnih postova koji na to ukazuju sa istorijske perspektive i brojeva sa kojima se barata) da nema ni teoretske sanse da se vrati u predjasnje stanje sam od sebe (kao sto proroci ovde propovedaju).

Kontrolisano izduvavanje je jedina opcija koja moze da dovede do novog ravnoteznog stanja, a da se izbegne ono sto se do sada u istoriji skoro uvek desavalo kada dodje vreme da se svetske karte moci promesaju.

Optimisticki se nadam da uvek postoji prvi put da svetska tranzicija prodje mirno. Alternativa tome je zaista mizerna...

#1360 No7

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 23:57

http://finance.yahoo...f-14832054.html


Actual Forecast Previous
S&P/CS Composite-20 HPI y/y -19.0% -18.5% -18.6%
Chicago PMI 31.4 34.3 34.2
CB Consumer Confidence 26.0 27.8 25.3
ISM Manufacturing Prices 31.0 32.4 29.0
ADP Non-Farm Employment Change -742K -660K -706K
Unemployment Claims 669K 649K 657K


I kako se ovi podaci poklapaju sa znacajnim rastom americke ekonomije?
A radi se o indikatorima cena kuca(to je glavni problem zbog hipoteka), ukupnog pogleda na jedan vazan americke ekonomije, potrosnje, cenama( za koje se maksimalno trude da skoce), nezaposlenost.
Dal ovo znaci kraj ekonomije SAD naravno da ne kao sto ne znaci ni ovaj tvoj podatak oporavak. Naravno ako odes na Yahoo finance i gledas DJI, S&P ili Nasdaq mozeti se svasta uciniti. Naravno prvo treba znati kako je krenuo skok i dal je V ili W trenutno desavanja na berzi. A skok je krenuo tako sto je CEO BoA rekao ma znate nismo mi tako losi, imamo cak i zaradu samo sto je zaboravio da kaze da u balance sheet nije racunao katastrofalno stanje sa hipotekama. I NYSE skoci, kazu vidis ti kako su dobri pri tome svi se prave priglupi znajuci da krize i ne bi bilo da nije doslo do problema sa hipotekama i naplatama barem kod banaka. Verovatno je taj iz BoA znao da ce se ici na ukidanje mark to market sto je moglo znatno ranije da se uradi i trebalo je ako su vec tako zamislili oporavak. Neko ce reci ma dno je to u stvari, dno dodje tako sto se vise ne reaguje na lose vesti ali ovaj skok nije zapoceo tako. Naravno mediji igraju svoju ulogu u pumpanju raspolozenja. Naravno onda se nebi toliko trosilo bez pokrica nastampanih $ za koje vise ni ne kriju da ih stampaju pri cemu ovde niko ne spominje stanje $ sada.
Jednostavno pitanje za sve. Dal je iko ikada dobro prosao tako sto je stampao valutu bez pokrica?
Dal je dobro nagradjivati lose na ustrb dobrih?
To se upravo desava narocito u SAD a isto se polako siri svetom.
Sto se tice pada zlata, razlog tome je euforija na Vol Stritu kao sto je rast nafe preko 50 $ za barel posledica pada $ a ovo zbog onih u FED-u a oni zbog ogromnih dugova koje su stvorili kroz TARP TALF, ALF ili kako vec se to sada zove a to zato sto su nastali ogromni dugovi u nenaplati hipoteka kod banaka koje je opet stvorio FEd pa sada oni kupuju obveznice koje su sami emitovali da bi sve to pokrili i to isto takos to sam FED stampa novac bez ikakvih pokrica.
Kako je to dobro zar ne?

Edited by No7, 03 April 2009 - 00:19.


#1361 Unbeliever

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 01:18

I kako se ovi podaci poklapaju sa znacajnim rastom americke ekonomije?


ako ne znas da citas engleski, ne smaraj.

#1362 heathen

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 01:23

Још једна мала лекција на штампарске теме...

Would Cleansing Banks' Balance Sheets Kick-start the US Economy

by Frank Shostak


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Real Savings and Lending

Consider John the baker who has produced ten loaves of bread and has consumed two loaves. The real savings here is eight loaves of bread.

Let us say that John decided to lend his real savings (eight loaves of bread) to a shoemaker Bill for a pair of shoes in one month's time.

Through lending, John supplies Bill the shoemaker with the means of sustenance (eight loaves of bread) while Bill is busy making shoes. Also note that what made the lending possible here is the saved loaves of bread. Hence, what limits the size of lending is the amount of loaves saved. If John could produce twelve loaves and consume two loaves, then he would be able to increase his lending from eight loaves to ten.

Now let us introduce an intermediary and let's called it a bank. Instead of lending eight loaves directly, John transfers his saved bread to the bank. The bank in turn lends it to Bill the shoemaker or to other individuals.

Bank lending here is dictated by real savings – eight loaves of bread – and it is real savings that sets the size of lending here.

Now let us assume that John's real savings declines – his production of bread has fallen to eight loaves while his consumption is still two loaves. In this case, the bank would be forced to curtail it's lending to six loaves.

Would it make sense to blame the bank for curtailing lending?


Introducing Money

The essence of our analysis does not change with the introduction of money. Now John the baker can exchange his saved loaves for money. When deemed necessary, John can use the money to secure various goods and services. John can also decide to lend the money to another producer.

The borrower can now use the money and secure consumer goods that will support him while he is engaged in the production of other goods (say, tools and machinery).

Again, note that what makes the lending possible here is not money but the saved consumer goods. Money just serves here as a facilitator. Or we can say that the act of lending here is about the transfer of final consumer goods from lender to a borrower with the help of money.

The essence of credit will not be altered by the introduction of banks. Instead of lending money directly, John could now engage in lending through the intermediary. (John transfers his money to the bank. The bank lends the money to a borrower.)

Real savings determines the size of credit. What people really want is real stuff, i.e., real savings and not money as such. Hence, as long as banks facilitate credit that is fully backed by real savings, they should be seen as the agents in the transmission of wealth.

In the modern monetary system, which is presided over by the central bank, banks can embark on lending that is not fully backed by real savings – credit created "out of thin air."

In the case of fully backed credit, the borrower secures goods that were produced and saved for him. This, however, is not the case with unbacked credit. No goods were produced and saved here.

As a result of the unbacked credit, an additional demand for various goods emerges. This leads to an attempt at expanding the infrastructure of the economy. This attempt is bound to fail since the flow of real savings is not large enough to support the expansion of the infrastructure.

The attempt to expand the infrastructure leads to the diversion of real savings from various activities that make the present flow of real savings possible.

Consequently the flow of real savings comes under pressure and the rate of real economic growth follows suit. (Remember that real savings fund economic activity – not money.)

Credit or money created out of thin air can't replace the non-existent real savings. (In our previous example, we saw that without the saved loaves of bread no lending is possible.)

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#1363 No7

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 01:37

ako ne znas da citas engleski, ne smaraj.


Nisi u pravu za engleski ali mozda jesi da sam ja nesto pogresio.
Te stoga mogao bi da nam objasnis kao i sto si to i do sada cinio u cemu je problem. Doduse to si do sada pokusavao ali nikako nisi shvatao u cemu je problem pa mozda si se konacno prosvetlio i konacno nam otvoris vidike da zaradimo neki novac.
Voleo bih neki odgovor ali da ne bude nesto priglupo i da zagadjuje ovu temu kako se do sada uglavnom cinilo samo zato sto neko ne moze da shvati neke pojave.
Ali stvarno bih voleo da ne bude priglupi onliner.

Edited by No7, 03 April 2009 - 01:37.


#1364 Unbeliever

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 01:41

Nisi u pravu za engleski ali mozda jesi da sam ja nesto pogresio.


link, a ni ja, nije rekao da je americka privreda pocela rastom vec da se vide tragovi kraja recesije. ti si to uzeo i menjao reci i poceo da pises bog zna sta sto nema veze s onim sto je receno.

#1365 No7

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 01:45

Evo ja bih za pocetak imao dva pitanja iz tvog citiranog teskta.

he Commerce Department said orders for manufactured goods rose 1.8 percent in February


Dal ovo ima veze sa "buy american" i sa tim u vezi ogromnom potrosnjom od strane vlade u tom pravcu? Posto je indikator trosnje obicnih ljudi u padu i posto raste nezaposlenost. Da sada ne idemo u gradnju kuca i cene istih itd.
I jos jedno vezano oko naslova,

may be near bottom


Dal sam ja shvatio da u naslovu pise, "mozda je blizu dna"?