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#16 alberto.ascari

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 00:27

A ko nije procitao Hamiltonov feljton u Sanu:

Hamilton opširno o Alonsu

Nakon završetka burne sezone, Luis Hamilton je počeo da piše za britanski tabloid San. Sada je opisao svoju vezu sa Fernandom Alonsom, u kome kaže da je rascep između njih dvojice bio postepen proces.

"Upoznali smo se u hotelu u Turskoj prošle godine. Došao je i predstavio se meni i mom ocu rečima 'Zdravo, ja sam Fernando,' " piše Hamilton, tada GP2 vozač.

"On je bio svetski šampion i borio se za titulu po drugi put. Bio sam prilično impresioniran time što je imao vremena da me pozdravi."

"Dopada mi se Fernando i divim mu se, tako da sam bio tužan i razočaran što naša veza nije napredovala tokom godine. Ali to nije bilo zbog nedostatka pokušaja. Mislio sam da će mi Fernando služiti za primer i pokazati mi šta da radim. On je veoma tih."

"Nakon VN Francuske rečeno mi je da je Fernando, koji je završio sedmi, bio srećan što su me Ferariji pobedili i što nisam uzeo 10 bodova."

Luis o kvalifikacijama u Mađarskoj, na kojima nije poslušao timske naredbe zbog čega mu se Fernando osvetio sprečivši ga da izveze završni krug, kaže:

"To je bila kao moja najveća noćna mora. Mislim da je sa mnom lako slagati se, jeste da ne zadržavam svoje neraspoloženje u sebi ali ako on nije hteo da izgradi prikladni radni odnos i da priča sa mnom, to je bilo do njega."

"U Turskoj sam rekao Ronu, kada je trebalo da se pomirimo, da sam probao da pričam sa njim, ali da neću odstupiti sa mog puta da bi njega učinio srećnim. Fokusiraću se na moj san."

"Onda me je Fernando u Belgiji izugrao sa staze, i od tada je bilo jasno da sve može da se desi. Ako je on mogao da bude tako agresivan, mogao sam i ja."

"To nije bilo zdravo, ali osetio sam da mogu da budem jak i agresivan bez nepotrebnih rizika. Žalim što su stvari ispale ovako."


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#17 "Doc" Holliday

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Posted 01 November 2007 - 21:25

Jadan LH.Bas me dirnuo ovaj text :rolleyes:
ahahhahhhahh

vicesampion bolje da cuti kad ne ume da pritiska dugmice :huh:
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#18 Ziza

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Posted 03 November 2007 - 18:21

:rolleyes: , od ovoga stvarno treba snimiti sapunicu.
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#19 autsajder

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 11:30

Schumacher to test with Ferrari next week

LONDON, Nov 6 (Reuters) - Seven-times world champion Michael Schumacher will come out of retirement to test Ferrari's title-winning 2007 Formula One car in Barcelona next week, the team said on Tuesday.

"It's half for pleasure, half for technical reasons," said a spokesman.

Formula One's technical rules are changing next year, with traction control systems and other so-called 'driver aids' being removed.

"Michael has a big experience in driving cars with no traction control and no electronic aids, so it makes sense for him to give his input," said Schumacher's spokeswoman.

Although Schumacher said in May he had no desire to step back into a Formula One car, team boss Jean Todt has made clear that the offer was always there.

"Todt said that if Michael had the desire to drive the car, he would be happy to fulfil it," said the spokesman, adding that Schumacher would test on Tuesday and Wednesday at the Circuit de Catalunya.

Schumacher has not taken part in a test since he retired, although he did drive the F2007 for a few laps in the wet at Ferrari's Fiorano track at the end of last month to coincide with a visit of the board of parent company FIAT.

He also drove an older car at the circuit in June as part of Ferrari's 60th anniversary celebrations.

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Schumacher was also in Spain on Monday to ride Australian Casey Stoner's title-winning Ducati after the end of the MotoGP season.

The German, who also tried out a Ducati MotoGP bike at Mugello in Italy two years ago, showed he could also be quick on two wheels as he completed 58 laps.

"I didn't come here to set a good time," he told the Gazzetta dello Sport. "I had already ridden a Ducati. The first time I was slower, now I am around 10 seconds off the professionals and that's not bad."
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#20 Downforce

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 13:39

Schumacher to test with Ferrari next week

:rolleyes:
edit: prizeljkivao sam ga u toj ulozi... :huh:...

Edited by Downforce, 06 November 2007 - 13:41.

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#21 "Doc" Holliday

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 18:08

Hvala bogu, kralj se vraca na pravo mesto da podesi to cudo za Kimisu posto je ovaj pijan :rolleyes:
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#22 leone

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 22:19

Jos kad bi ga bolid "povukao" .....pa da se nezamislivo dogodi :rolleyes:
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#23 Downforce

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Posted 08 November 2007 - 19:32

Razvoj aerodinamike na BMW-ovom bolidu tokom ove sezone mozete pogledati na ovom linku. :rolleyes:
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#24 4_Webber

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 00:45

Fors Indija spreman za testove

Nekada Džordan, Midlend i Spajker a odskora Fors Indija spremno dočekuje testove u Barseloni od 13. do 15. novembra.

Koristiće dve šasije ovogodišnjeg Spajkera, Ferarijeve motore i novi FIA elektronski paket koji će se koristiti od 2008. godine.

Za ovaj tim će testirati čak pet vozača. Test vozači Roldan Rodrigez i Gido van der Garde testiraće u utorak, a trkački vozač Adrijan Sutil u preostala dva dana, u kojima će mu se pridružiti dosadašnji vozač Toro Rosa Vitantonio Liuci, kao i bivši test vozač Honde Kristijan Klin.

http://www.f1-serbia.net/?q=node/942

Bilo bi lepo kad bi Liuci dobio priliku da i sledece godine vozi, mislim da zasluzuje da bude u F1 pa makar i u najjadnijem timu
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#25 Rad-oh-yeah?

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 06:17

Bilo bi lepo kad bi Liuci dobio priliku da i sledece godine vozi, mislim da zasluzuje da bude u F1 pa makar i u najjadnijem timu

Ja se ne bih bunio ni kad bi Tonio upao u Meklaren...
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#26 starks

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 17:36

Mozgovi iz McLarena jednostavno ne znaju gubiti i svakim svojim postupkom se sve više sramote



Michael critical of McLaren after appeal ruling
Sunday 18th November 2007

Sam Michael has endorsed the Court of Appeal's ruling in the 'cool fuel' saga and insists that Williams play a "very straight game".

The British constructor's technical director told ITV that McLaren did not follow the correct procedures in their appeal of the Brazilian Grand Prix result.

"The ICA rejected McLaren's claim because basically they were negligent and didn't follow the clearly documented procedure," he said.

"It's very simple and straightforward and every team knows it."

Michael also questioned the Woking-based outfit's motivation in going the FIA Court.

He says McLaren did not have to take the route of an appeal, as they could have sought clarification on the regulations from F1's Technical Working Group.

"I think normally we would have ended finishing it up on the Sunday night and if there was any ambiguity in the regulation, as there was in this one - not in terms of our cars being legal but in the regulations - it would just have got handled in the next TWG," he noted.

"Although it was good to have those things [aired] in the ICA, I don't know how much it cost them [McLaren] to turn up with the four or five lawyers they had.

"You wouldn't have expected them to spend that just to clarify a regulation when you can turn up for free at any TWG and do the same thing."

Nonetheless, in the hearing the Grove-based team argued that the samples from the fuel rigs were not accurate. Data supplied by Ferrari and BMW proved that the three teams' fuel temperatures ranged from 30C-35C - and were well within the stipulated regulatory range.

And Michael explained that McLaren's refusal to supply their data hampered their case.

"Williams, BMW and even Ferrari who are not being investigated all openly gave their on-board fuel temperatures to the ICA," he said.

"However, McLaren, who admit to measuring on-board fuel temperature, refuse to reveal their data.

"Now, call me a cynic, but I submit that this is because that data is severely damaging to McLaren's case against Williams and BMW."



Koji likovi...pa cijeli slučaj je bio baziran na njihovim mjerenjima :rolleyes:

koje,pazi sad,nisu niti htjeli predočiti... :huh:
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#27 leone

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 17:45

Ovakvo ponasanje MCL ima samo jedno ime i izvor OCAJ.

Skoro je decenija od kako nijesu osvojili titulu.
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#28 Rad-oh-yeah?

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 18:23

Koji likovi...pa cijeli slučaj je bio baziran na njihovim mjerenjima :rolleyes:

koje,pazi sad,nisu niti htjeli predočiti... :huh:

Cijim merenjima? Sta lupetas opet?

Ceo slucaj je bio zasnovan na merenjima Dzoa Bauera, tehnickog delegata FIA. On je ulozio originalni protest na trci u Brazilu a ne Meklaren. Bauerov protest je odbijen zato sto nije bilo moguce utvrditi koja je bila stvarna temperatura vazduha u Brazilu - Bauer je koristio jedan izvor a timovi drugi, razlika je bila 1 stepen, a po pravilima nije utvrdjeno koji je zvanican izvor po kome se svi moraju ravnati. Meklaren je trazio objasnjenje pravila, da bi se ubuduce izbegla konfuzija, da se zna sta se meri i sa cime se poredi. Niko nikada nije dovodio u pitanje temperaturu goriva u Meklarenovim bolidima na trci u Brazilu.

Problem je to sto su u Meklarenu odabrali proces zalbe na rezultate trke, zato sto je sampionat u pitanju i zato sto ce to imati veci odjek u javnosti nego obican zahtev za razjasnjenje pravila. Ja licno se ne slazem sa tim jer sto se mene tice prvenstvo je reseno na stazi i Kimi je sampion. Verujem da su se u Meklarenu odlucili na ovaj put jer su znali da ce biti odbijeni (a odbijeni su zato jer originalni prigovor nije dosao od njih, vec od Bauera te se ne mogu ni zaliti na odluku po njemu jer nisu bili ukljuceni u originalni proces - vidi dole kvotovani tekst odluke) pa su hteli da naprave pricu za medije tipa "vidite kako su nepravedni prema nama ovi iz FIA".

Samo sto smo ovako na kraju dobili sve osim razjasnjenja spornog pravila.

The full text of the International Court of Appeal (ICA) of the Federation Internationale de l'Automobile decision.

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Appeal brought by the Motor Sports Association (MSA) on behalf of its competitor Vodafone McLaren Mercedes, against the decision (document 41) taken by the Panel of the Stewards of the Meeting dated 21 October 2007 on the occasion of the 2007 Grand Prix of Brazil, run on 21 October 2007 and counting towards the 2007 FIA Formula 1 World Championship Hearing of Thursday 15 November 2007

The FIA International Court of Appeal, composed of Mr Jan Stovicek (Czech Republic), elected President, Mr John Cassidy (United States), Mr Vassilis Koussis (Greece) and Mr Jose Macedo e Cunha (Portugal), Meeting exceptionally in London on Thursday 15 November 2007, on account of the strikes in the French capital, and at the request of several parties,

Ruling on the appeal brought by the Motor Sports Association (MSA) on behalf of its Licence Holder Vodafone McLaren Mercedes, against the decision (Document 41) taken by the Panel of Stewards of the Meeting on 21 October 2007 on the occasion of the 2007 Grand Prix of Brazil, run on 21 October 2007 and counting towards the 2007 FIA Formula 1 World Championship,

Having heard, for the Motor Sports Association (MSA), Mr Robert Jones, Secretary General on behalf of Vodafone McLaren Mercedes and for Vodafone McLaren Mercedes, Messrs David Ryan, Martin Whitmarsh, Paddy Lowe and Tim Murnane, assisted by Mr Ian Mill QC, Mr Andrew Hunter QC, Mr Tom Cassels, Solicitor, Ms Sarah Inman, Solicitor, and Mr Jean-Pierre Harb,

For AT&T Williams, Mr Sam Michael, Technical Director, Mr Tim Newton, Race Team Manager, Mr John Healey, Head of Legal Affairs, and Ms Michelle Dymott, assistant to Mr Healey,

For BMW Sauber F1 Team, Mr Beat Zehnder, Team Manager, and Mr Wilhelm Rampf, Technical Director, and Ms Monisha Kaltenborn-Narang, General Manager Legal Services, assisted by Mr Ian Meakin,

For Scuderia Ferrari, Mr Stefano Domenicali, Team Manager, Mr Luca Baldisserri, Head of Track Activities, Mr Luca Colajanni, Head of Motor Sport Press Office, and Mr Sathia Jagesteen, assisted by Mr Massimiliano Maestretti, Mr Nigel Tozzi QC, Mr Henry Peter, lawyer at Lugano, and Mr Stefano Perucchi,

For the FIA, Mr Pierre de Coninck, Secretary General (Sport), Mr Sebastien Bernard, Head of Legal Affairs, Mr Charlie Whiting, F1 Race Director, and Mr Jo Bauer, F1 Technical Delegate,

After having given consideration to the carefully prepared briefs submitted by the competitors listed above and the FIA, Having acknowledged that the procedure was in order, the rights of each of the parties having been duly examined, both in the proceedings which preceded the hearing and during the hearing itself, the parties having been duly heard and having provided all the detailed explanations requested from them during the hearing and having received answer, with the help of a simultaneous translation system which was recognised as satisfactory by the parties,

Whereas on the occasion of the 2007 Grand Prix of Brazil, run on 21 October 2007 and counting towards the 2007 FIA Formula 1 World Championship, the Stewards of the Meeting met to consider a report from the FIA’s Technical Delegate that the fuel on board the cars run by BMW Sauber F1 and AT&T Williams F1 was below the temperature permitted by Article 6.5.4 of the FIA 2007 Formula 1 Technical Regulations. Having investigated the matter and having heard those teams, the Panel of Stewards of the meeting took a decision (document 41), concerning BMW Sauber F1 and AT&T Williams, dated 21 October 2007, a decision based on the facts at their disposal and according to which there was “sufficient doubt as to both the temperature of the fuel actually on board the car and the true ambient temperature as to render it inappropriate to impose a penalty.”

Whereas on 23 October 2007, McLaren lodged an appeal with the International Court of Appeal requesting that the International Court of Appeal nullify the Stewards’ decision concerning the cars of BMW Sauber F1 Team and AT&T Williams,

Whereas according to Vodafone McLaren Mercedes, there ought to have been a sanction against the two teams concerned, which would have allowed it to obtain the possible relegation of their three drivers, finishing the event in fourth, fifth and sixth places respectively, so that Lewis Hamilton, driving for Vodafone McLaren Mercedes, would take the fourth place and thus be ahead of his rival in the World Championship, Kimi Raikkonen,

Whereas, in effect, the request by Vodafone McLaren Mercedes is that the Court annul a decision concerning parties other than itself and impose a new decision, including sanctions, on those parties,

Whereas Article 1 of the Rules of Procedure of the International Court of Appeal indicates that the International Court of Appeal may hear “Appeals from decisions of the stewards of the meeting, lodged by at least one of the parties concerned”,

Whereas the International Court of Appeal finds that the term “parties concerned” in the Rules of Procedure of the International Court of Appeal does not cover all parties whose interests may be affected by the decision in question. Most Stewards’ decisions have some effect on competitors other than those to whom they are addressed and a right of direct appeal is not foreseen for all such competitors. In this case too the Stewards’ decision had some indirect effect on Vodafone McLaren Mercedes, but it was not affected directly by the decision addressed to BMW Sauber F1 and AT&T Williams,

Whereas the International Sporting Code has foreseen in a formal fashion that in cases such as these the only recourse would be that set out in Article 174 d of the International Sporting Code which foresees that “Protests … referring to the noncompliance of vehicles with the regulations and concerning the classification established at the end of the event shall … be made within thirty minutes of the official publication of the results.”

Whereas it was therefore possible for Vodafone McLaren Mercedes to lodge a protest which would have required the Stewards to take a Decision addressed to them concerning the race classification. However, no such protest was lodged,

Whereas Vodafone McLaren Mercedes have pointed out that the Stewards noted McLaren’s intention to appeal and stated that their decision and the classification of the race was subject to an appeal by Vodafone McLaren Mercedes. This fact does not on its own confer upon Vodafone McLaren Mercedes a right of appeal, nor does it indicate that any such appeal, if lodged, would be admissible. While one may accept that Vodafone McLaren Mercedes thought that it was applying the correct procedure and that this appeared to be endorsed by the Stewards, this cannot alter the application of the Code or the Rules of Procedure,

Whereas Vodafone McLaren Mercedes have submitted that a clarification of the regulations in relation to fuel temperature is necessary and that they are not merely pursuing a personal interest but also they are interested in the application of provisions in a way which does not give rise to doubts such as those in this case,

Whereas the International Court of Appeal must reply upon the strict application of the rules in their current form and must apply the rules that are in force,

As to the substance

Declares the appeal lodged by Vodafone McLaren Mercedes to be inadmissible on account of the lack of direct interest in the decision under appeal,

Declares that the only course that could have led to a modification of the race classification would have been to lodge a protest against the classification at the latest thirty minutes after the posting of that classification,

Leaves it to the appellant to pay the costs, in accordance with Article 190 of the International Sporting Code and Article 24 of the Rules of the International Court of Appeal.

Paris, 16 November 2007

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#29 Downforce

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 19:41

SAM MICHAEL TALKS TO ITV-F1.COM

FOM have a temperature sensor, but it became clear up to two years ago that it was not accurate enough to be used as regulatory.

So what was agreed was that the FOM temperature would be used as a guide, and if there was any question mark over its accuracy, that would be reviewed with the Meteo France data.

Now Meteo France is the French met office so they are pretty good at measuring temperature. That is their business. It's not just a forecast they provide either, they also measure the temperature at the circuit constantly.

...

Just so we are clear, the Meteo France temperatures are not forecasted, they are measured temperatures. So they measure them at the circuit on the day. Their forecast for Brazilian GP Sunday was actually 31 degrees from Saturday lunchtime onwards and the actual measured temperature peaked at 33 at 3pm that afternoon.

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I think normally we would have ended finishing it up on the Sunday night and if there was any ambiguity in the regulation it would just have got handled in the next TWG.

The fact that there was a championship involved didn't interest Williams on the Sunday night in Brazil. That was completely irrelevant to us. Not just because it didn't affect us, but because if the legality of your cars is called into question, that is more important than any championship, particularly a championship for another team.

That is probably more of a question for McLaren to say whether the championship influenced them to go to the court of appeal.

Although it was good to have those things out in the ICA, I don't know how much it cost them to turn up with the four or five lawyers they had. You wouldn't have expected them to spend that just to clarify a regulation when you can turn up for free at any TWG and do the same thing.

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This is straightforward. This is what happened on the day, it could easily have been solved in the TWG, but fine we'll go to the ICA to prove the same thing.

But still it is being painted as if there is something underhand going on and that is disappointing.

We play a very straight game and if there is implication that it is not like that – and I don't mean just Williams, but at the FIA's level – I'm sorry that is just not the case here.

We sat in the hearing on Thursday, everyone got the full ear of the ICA, and it was all done properly, and yet there are still third parties who like to paint the fact that it wasn't.

But it was done by the book.

[The perception that it wasn't] is potentially damaging.


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#30 starks

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Posted 18 November 2007 - 20:51

Ne lupetam ja ništa..samo prenosim što je uncle Sam rekao...

Nego jeste čuli McLarenove odvjetnike...

Pravila su pravila...ako ih se krši treba kazniti onoga koji ih krši... a ja se sjećam barem
dva puta kako je Hemonja prošao bez kazne...

a još više je briljirao kada je izvalio da nije moguće kazniti tim a ne kazniti vozače... :rolleyes:


od samog početka se znalo da je temperatura mjerena u paddocku,a temperatura se mjeri u hladu dva metra ili
metar iznad zemlje..to je službena metoda...a također se znalo da je temperatura mjerena u "fuel rig"...
nisam 100% siguran o čemu se radi ali o rezervoaru se ne radi...a pravila govore o temp.goriva u rezervoaru...

ne kažem ja da se nije radilo o tom delegatu u samom početku(iako ne vidi nigdje njegovo ime)no stjuardi su odbili
taj zahtjev pa su MClaren pitali koje to oni dokaze imaju...


još samo čekam da se osramote u slučaju protiv Renaulta i onda stvarno do trećeg mjeseca odmor od F1...


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inače Radoje onaj tvoj prijevod na temi o novoj špijunaži je legendaran...ono mjerenje informacija i tvrdnja da je lopov radio za drugu firmu idu uz bok prijevodu...no o tome ću ti na onoj temi...ali ne sada...

samo jedna stvar sada...postao sam ti odluku FIAe..jasno piše da je McLaren bio u nelegalnom posjedovanju
Ferrarievih dokumenata a ne Coughlan...Coughlan je šef dizajna u McLarenu i sasvim je dovoljno da je i on sam
bio u posjedu dokumenata..nigdje nije definirano koliko zaposlenika neke momčadi treba biti u posjedu dokumentacije
da bi momčad bila proglašena krivom za nelegalno posjedovanje... a za tih 15 unutar Renualta je sve rekla kazala...
kako znaš da se nisu sreli sa tim podacima na način kao i oni u McLarenu..ili da nisu znali da se radi o McLarenovim podacima ili da su rekli onom McNešto da ih se riješi...to je sve prošlo na prvom saslušanju...
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