Malo o Sadamu Huseinu...lik i delo.. Options

[Visoke platforme]

Posto smo, za sad, apsolvirali teme o diktaturi u Americi i drugim zapadnim imperijalistima, hajde malo da se osvrnemo ka Nesvrstanoj braci. Ima valjda i koja rec o njima da se kaze.


Da li ste znali na primer, da je Sadam Husein, slicno Slobi rodjen bez oca, od majke koja je patila od depresije, i pokusavala samoubistvo i pobacaj? Ili da je slicno Arkanu, od detinjstva bio pripreman da bude hitman? Ili da je svoju nacionalno-revolucionarnu svest stekao opcinjen Naserom i pohadjanjem institucija nalik na "titove univerzitete"?

Sta jos znate o Sadamu?



Za uvod je dobar link
http://search.biography.com/print_record.pl?id=5620 medjutim tamo nedostaju pikanterije, na primer njegov rad kao nacelnika bezbednosti, familijarne veze ili prijateljstvo sa Seseljem.

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Mozda ima nekog koga ipak zanima ko je ovaj covek. Hronologija Saddama Husseina sa sajta Iracke fondacije (njihovi strani placenici, mozda se nasluti zasto)
http://www.iraqfoundation.org/research/bio.html


Biography of Saddam Hussein of Tikrit


Note to our website visitors: This is an "open" chronology of Saddam Hussein's regime. Please e-mail us any additions, corrections and comments, with references if possible. We hope to expand the chronology with your help.



Part I: Early Beginnings to the Presidency
April 28, 1937 is the declared birth date of Saddam Hussein in the village of Ouja, near Tikrit in northern Iraq. He is born of a poor landless peasant family. His father dies, or disappears, before Saddam is born. He is sent to live with his maternal uncle, Khairallah Talfah, who influenced Saddam's life tremendously. Several reports link Saddam to the murders of a school teacher and/or a cousin during these early years.

1957 Saddam joins the Ba'th party at the age of 20. Also in this year Saddam was denied admission to the prestigious Baghdad Military Academy (probably because he had not finished high school), a humiliating blow that dishonors him vis-à-vis his military counterparts. (Later, in 1976, President Bakr confers on him the rank of General.)

1959 Complicity in an assassination attempt against Abdul Karim Qasim, Prime Minister of Iraq after the 1958 revolution. He flees to Egypt, where he spends the next four years and completes high school.

February 1963-November 1963 First Ba'th regime in Iraq. Saddam, a mid-level operative, takes no part in the coup. After the collapse of the Ba'th regime in November 1963, Saddam takes charge of organizing a Ba'th security organ, "Jihaz Haneen." This becomes the core of the dreaded security apparatus after 1968.

July 17-30 1968 The 2nd Ba'th regime takes over. A bloodless coup by senior Arab Nationalist officers and retired Ba'thist officers overthrows the regime of President Abd al-Rahman Aref. Saddam is the Deputy Secretary-General of the Ba'th party at the time, but plays a minor role in the coup. Ahmed Hassan Al-Bakr, a relative of Saddam, becomes president and chairman of the Revolutionary Command Council (RCC).

July 30, 1968 Saddam carries out a plot to oust the rival faction (Arab Nationalist officers) in the coup. Among others, minister of Defense Ibrahim Dawood is "sent" to Jordan and Prime Minister Abd al-Razzah Nayif is "sent" to Morocco.

Fall of 1968 beginning of purges to remove all non-Ba'thists from posts within state institutions. Saddam engages in purifying the government and society of potential dissidents. The higher echelons of the military and the government deemed disloyal are sent into retirement, imprisoned, tortured, or executed. Members of non-Ba'th political parties and non-Arabs are accused of crimes and executed or deported.

November 1969 President al-Bakr, Saddam's kinsman, appoints Saddam Deputy Chairman of the Revolutionary Command Council (RCC) and Vice-President. He controls the internal security and intelligence organs and is the driving force behind the regime.

November 1968 Nasir al-Hani, former Foreign Minister and co-plotter of the 17 July, 1968 coup is abducted from his home under the pretext that President Bakr wanted to consult with him. A few days later his body is discovered dumped in a ditch.

January 1969 17 alleged "spies" (including 13 Jews) are hanged in Liberation Square.

August 8, 1969 Kurdish village of Dakan in Mosul governorate is site of a massacre performed by the army.

October 1969 Abd al-Rahman al-Bazzaz, former prime minister, is imprisoned on charges of being a Zionist agent. Tortured and sentenced to 15 years imprisonment.

March 1970 Hundreds of Communists are arrested and tortured.

October 15, 1970 Hardan al-Tikriti, Minister of defense, Deputy Premier, and former member of the RCC, is dismissed from all his functions. Assassinated in Kuwait on March 30, 1971.

March 11, 1970 An "autonomy agreement" is concluded between the Kurds, under Mulla Mustafa Barzani, and the central government, but was never implemented.

September 1971 Failed assassination attempt on Mulla Mustapha Barzani, the Kurdish leader. Several other people are killed in the attempt.

September 28, 1971 Abd al-Karim al-Shaikhli, Foreign Minister and member of RCC is dismissed, appointed to a position at the UN. Later assassinated.

1972 1st wave of deportations of Iraqi Arabs, Turkoman and Kurdish families, stripped of their citizenship and sent to Iran.

July 8, 1973 The Chief of Internal Security, Nadhim Kzar, is executed along with 35 other after reports a coup and conspiracy.

1974-1975 War against the Kurds ignites again. Phosphorous shells are reportedly used against the Kurds.

March 1974 The Kurdish towns of Zakho and Qala'at Diza are razed to the ground. 8,000 Kurds disappear from the village of Barzan.

December 1974 5 Shi'a 'ulama are executed.

6 March 1975 Saddam signs Algiers Accord with the Shah of Iran. The Accord defines border with Iran and ends Iranian support for Kurds.

March-April 1975 Major exodus of Kurds to Iran, including departure of leader, Mulla Mustapha Barzani.

February 1977 Beginning of mass deportations to Iran of Iraqi Shi'a, confiscation of their property and "disappearance" of sons. Estimated that by early 80's, 200,000 Iraqis are deported to Iran and stripped of nationality and property.

1975-1979 President Bakr remains the head of State, but his power is virtually reduced to a figurehead while Saddam controls in the president's shadow.

February/March 1977 Eight Shi'a dignitaries, 5 clergy and 3 laymen are executed. Mass purges of Shi'a suspected of belonging to the Da'wa Party.

1978-79 The regime eliminates an estimated 7,000 Iraqi Communists.

October 1978 Ayatollah Khomeini, exiled by the Shah and living in Najaf, is expelled from Iraq.

May 1979 All Communist party offices are closed down in all provinces.


Part II: Presidency to the Gulf War (1979-1991)

On July 16, 1979 At the age of 42, Saddam forces Al-Bakr to retire and is sworn in as President of the Republic of Iraq. President Bakr officially steps down. Saddam now holds the posts of President of the Republic, Chairman of the Revolutionary Command Council, Secretary-General of the Ba'th Party Regional Command, Prime Minister, and Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces. Saddam grants himself a Staff Field Marshal army rank.

July 15-August 8, 1979 In order to consolidate his power, Saddam embarks on a purge, reminiscent of Stalin, in which party members are accused of being involved in a Syrian plot to place Iraq under Syrian hegemony and remove Iraq's leadership. By the end of the purge, hundreds of top ranking Ba'thists and army officers are executed, including five members of the RCC.

April 1980 Revolutionary Command Council bans the Da'wa Party and membership in its ranks becomes a capital crime punishable by death.

April 1980 Leading Shi'a cleric Sayyid Muhammad Baqir Al-Sadr and his sister Bint al-Huda are executed.

On September 22, 1980five days after Saddam Saddam publicly tears up the 1975 Algiers Accord with Iran and denounces "the frequent and blatant Iranian violation of Iraqi sovereignty", the Iraqi Air Force bombs Iranian airfields and Iraqi forces invade Iran.

In 1982, former President Bakr dies mysteriously. It is widely suspected that Saddam is involved.

June 1982 Riyadh Ibrahim, Minister of Health and Shafiq 'Abd al-Jabbar Kamali, ex-RCC member, are executed.

1987-1988 Saddam launches the Anfal campaign against the Kurds, in which some 180,000 "disappear." 4,000 villages are razed. Depopulation of large areas of eastern Kurdistan.

March 1988 The Kurdish town of Halabja is gassed. 5,000 people perish, 10,000 suffer injuries.

August 1988 A number of Kurdish villages on Turkish borders are gassed. Thousands of casualties.

August 1988. Ceasefire declared between Iraq and Iran, ending the 8-year war. The war is estimated to have caused one million casualties including 250,000 Iraqi dead.

May 1989 Adnan Khayrallah, Saddam's cousin, brother-in-law, popular army officer and Defense Minister, dies in a helicopter crash widely believed to be engineered by Saddam.

March 1990 British journalist Farzad Bazoft is executed on charges of espionage. International indignation brings attention to the brutality of Saddam regime.

August 2, 1990 Iraqi troops cross into Kuwait and occupy the country, ejecting the Kuwaiti government.

August 28, 1990 Kuwait officially becomes the 19th province of Iraq.

January 17, 1991 Allied planes begin bombing Iraq.


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Podseca li nekog nesto od ovog na Nacizam?


Dakle, da ne bude zablude, nije sve u vezi Iraka vezano za naftu.

[ Izmena poruke: Visoke platforme na dan 2002-12-05 16:55 ]

[Indy]

Sta jos znamo o Sadamu? Pored gore navedenog, znamo i to da je to jos jedan od bezbrojnih americkih "blowback"-ova...

Citajmo:

How the CIA put Saddam's Party in Power, 1963

link

I jos (Said K Aburish intervju):
"There is very good reason to believe that Saddam Hussein was in contact with the American embassy in Cairo when he was in exile. This is not strange, because alliances of convenience were taking place every day. And the United States was afraid that Iraq, under Kassem, might be going communist. So was the Ba'ath Party. So they had a common enemy, a common target--the possibility of a communist take-over of Iraq."

(odlican sajt o Sadamu)

I ovakve stvari: "He [Saddam] got blueprints to help make chemical warfare plans from the United States. Everybody accused the Europeans of that. It was actually an American company and writers in New York would supply him with this blueprints. The U.S. government knew about it. " (Said K Aburish u istom intervju-u)

Chomsky: "He [Saddam] is as evil as they come, ranking with Suharto and other monsters of the modern era. No one would want to be within his reach. But fortunately, his reach does not extend very far." (Ali dovoljno daleko - dodajem ja: do Izraela! E to uncle Sam-a vrlo tangira...)

Postoji i knjiga (vise njih, u stvari) na tu temu (blowback). Jedna je npr Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire
od Chalmers Johnson-a. U njoj Sadam zauzima vrlo prominentno mesto.

[Indy]

Samo jos da dodam - nije rat samo zbog nafte, on je i zbog Izraela.

Komentar o nacizmu za mene ne drzi vodu - Ameri nikad nisu imali prevelik problem sa nacistima, stavise nemali broj istih su posle 1945 "ugostili" u USA ili im pomogli da zbrisu elsewhere, a da ne pominjem da su i te kako koristili Nazi dokumentaciju (kao sto je ona o ogledima nad ljudima sprovodjenim u konc. logorima). To je poznato onima koji zele da im bude poznato - isto kao postojanje vrlo jakog neonazi pokreta u Americi svih ovih godina (Timoti Mekvej je samo jedan koji je u'vacen).

Ako ce Ameri da trebe Naziste ne treba da idu u Irak za to - dovoljno je da odu u planine Montane. A mogli bi da pogledaju svoje saveznike Tursku i Izrael koji koriste ne manje nasilja u resavanju svojih unutarnjih problema od Sadama. Prema tome V.Platforme, skroz si omanuo.

[Visoke platforme]

Indi opet ti o Americi, dok se govori o suprotnoj strani planete. Jesi li procitao sta je Saddam Hussein uradio u svojoj drzavi od 1968 do 1981.?

Jesi li probao da saberes koliko ljudi nastrada? Ili jesi bar napravio saldo levicara koje je blago receno uklonio?

Pusti Ameriku u ovoj temi; eno ti tamo teme sa 82 komentara o Americkoj diktaturi pa tamo analiziraj njihov nacizam. Ovde je tema Saddam Hussein.

[Indy]

U redu stvar, ti si gazda od teme.

Tvoj komentar u poruci broj 2. na ovom topiku kaze da se kad je u pitanju Irak ne radi samo o nafti, vec i nacizmu. Verovatno sam ja to ipak nesto pogresno protumacio da aludiras na razloge predstojeceg napada USA na Irak. U mojoj zbunjenoj glavi, dakle, ti si taj koji je prvi poceo da se bavi i Amerikancima. Ali, posto sam pogresio, prepustam ovaj topik tebi i Sadamu.

[Vladap]

Sustina je da takav zlotvor nikada ne bi postao bez pomoci SAD..ne znam ni jednog lokalnog 'heroja' koji nije dosao do moci, koju je kasnije usmerio ili prema svom narodu ili susedima, a da se nije ocesao o US$..
A Iracani su blesavi kao i mi kada takav rezim trpe..sve mislim da ce posle njega doci rezim koji je slican onoj 'demokratiji' u Iranu (i Iracani ce odjednom da se jos vise verski 'probude'), nego neki pravi demokratski sistem, koji, BTW, u tom regionu je misaona imenica.

[Visoke platforme]

Vlado jesi li procitao malo o Sadamovom usponu? Gde ti vidis vezu izmedju Sadamovog ustolicenja i SAD?

Sadam je bio covek vezan za SSSR!

Malo o Sadamovoj obavestajnoj i DB sluzbi; posto smo odrasli u drzavi koja je i sama obilovala slicnim aparatima, ovaj tekst ne bi trebalo da bude preterano stran.

Nista lakse: kafkijski model, ukrsten sa pustinjom (i naftom), nesvrstanim pokretom, socijalistickom (Baath su socijalisti bar u imenu), tribalizmom i islamskom religijom koja se oportuno pogotovo od 1991 sve vise i vise koristi.



MERIA - Middle East Journal of International Affairs
Volume 6, No. 3 - September 2002
IRAQ'S SECURITY AND INTELLIGENCE NETWORK: A GUIDE AND ANALYSIS
By Ibrahim al-Marashi

ceo tekst http://meria.idc.ac.il/journal/2002/issue3...e3/jv6n3a1.html

...

The majority of these forces are staffed by relatives of Saddam, members of his al-Bu Nasser tribe, or come from the towns of Tikrit, Dur, Sharqat, Huwayja, Bayji, Samarra and Ramadi, located in what is known as the Sunni Arab Triangle. Sunni tribes and families that have played a powerful role in the security apparatus include the Dulaym, the Jubur (mixed Shi’a/Sunni) and the ‘Ubayd tribe, as well as members of the Duri, and Samarrai families.(1)

As a rule, each agency has an inner security unit that monitors any dissent in that agency. The head of this unit reports directly to the agency chief who reports directly to the president or the Office of the Presidential Palace.2) While in other countries, intelligence agencies report to their respective ministries, such as defense or interior, in Iraq they report directly to the president. After Saddam, Qusay, his younger son, is perhaps the most powerful person in the apparatus with direct control over Special Security and the Special Republican Guard.

...

Responsibilities

General Intelligence is roughly divided into a department responsible for internal operations, coordinated through provincial offices, and another responsible for international operations, conducted from various Iraqi embassies. Its internal activities include: 1) monitoring the Ba’th Party, as well as other political parties; 2) monitoring other grass roots organizations, including youth, women and union groups; 3) suppressing Shi’a, Kurdish and other opposition; 4) counter-espionage; 5) targeting threatening individuals and groups inside of Iraq; 6) monitoring foreign embassies in Iraq; 6) monitoring foreigners in Iraq; and 7) maintaining an internal network of informants.

Its external activities include: :cool: monitoring Iraqi embassies abroad; 9) collecting overseas intelligence; 10) aiding opposition groups in hostile regimes; 11) conducting sabotage, subversion, and terrorist operations against hostile neighboring countries such as Syria and Iran; 12) murder of opposition elements outside of Iraq; 13) infiltrating Iraqi opposition groups abroad; 14) providing disinformation and attempts to exploit or use Arab and other media; and 15) maintaining an international network of informants, using popular organizations as well such as the Union of Iraqi Students.(65)

....


CONCLUSION

The security apparatus that emerged as a small unit under the guidance of Saddam Hussein during the 1960s has emerged as a vast and complex network that has kept him in power by swiftly dealing with threats to his regime, both real or imagined. The system was created, expanded, controlled and managed by Saddam. Iraq’s intelligence and security network permeates every aspect of Iraqi life, ensuring his total control over the state. No organization, agency or military unit, nor even opposition groups outside of Iraq are ever secure from Saddam’s surveillance or free of penetration from his intelligence agencies.

While agencies rival and overlap each other for intelligence in the field of foreign and domestic operations, Saddam still has managed to develop a security network closely adopted to his needs and centralized only through his personal control. Given Saddam’s personal role in structuring and molding this security network, it remains to be seen whether it will survive in its current form in case of his departure from the Iraqi political scene. At the same time, of course, its effectiveness makes it less likely that Saddam would be ousted.

[Visoke platforme]

A evo jednog imperijalistickog sajta o Iraku - Harvard University projekat koji sakuplja zvanicnu iracku dokumentaciju:

http://fas-www.harvard.edu/~irdp/


predlazem na primer http://fas-www.harvard.edu/~irdp/trans.html gde se nalaze originali depesa sa prevodima.


Na primer:

One Arab Nation with an Eternal Message
Number: 34/19014
Date:15 Jul 1981

The Ba'th Arab Socialist Party 
Iraq Qutr 
Qutr Command/ Office of the Qutr Secretariat

Top Secret

To: Top Commands Throughout the Qutr
Subject: The Special Measures Regarding the Treatment of the Relatives of Convicted Criminals who are members of the collaborator Da'wah Party.

Comradely Salute,

Pursuant to our letter, Ref. number 2873 dated 13 Aug 1979, the measures mentioned below apply to the Ministry of Defense, Ministry of Interior, Leadership of General Intelligence, Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Organization of Nuclear Energy. The measures are as follow:

1- First degree relatives of the criminals sentenced to death will be removed from the aforementioned apparatuses. 
2- Second degree relatives of the criminals sentenced to death will be appointed according to the degree of the kinship's influence. In light of this, the relatives will either remain in, be removed from, or be transferred from the aforementioned apparatuses. 
3- Relatives of criminals who are not sentenced to death will be evaluated on the basis of the degree of the kinship's influence and of their loyalty to the Revolution and the Party.
4- In general, one grade shall be added to theirs when they are transferred or retired.

Please be informed and take necessary measures. May you live long for the struggle.

Comrade
[Signature]

'Ali Hasan Majid
General Director of the Region Secretariat

ili

Urgent and Confidential Telegram

Number: 4618 
Date: 10 Sep 1988

To: All Directorates, Al-Balda, Chamchamal Security, Emergency Force, Arrest and 
Investigation Detachment Branch.
From: Sulaymaniyah Security, Branch 3, S7

Please arrest the relatives of the buried dissident 'Abd al-Masih Boulos Slaywa Yusif, codenamed Suran, a cadre member of the Band of the Agents of Iran [i.e. PUK]. He was executed at dawn on 14 Aug 1988 by the Irbil Governorate Directorate of Security. Below is a list of names of the relatives who have escaped to an unknown location. Take necessary measures to make all sources available and any other means possible. Keep us posted. 

[Signature]
For Deputy [Director of Security] Political [Branch]

Names

1. Boulos Slaywa Yusif, born 1927, father
2. Nezkez Tukhan Elias,born 1929, mother
3. Hamama Boulos Slaywa, born 1960, sister
4. Sabihah Boulos Slaywa, born 1963, sister
5. Nadia Boulos Slaywa, born 1966, sister
6. Shatha Boulos Slaywa, born 1972, sister
7. Sabnir Slaywa Braymuk Bina, born 1961, wife
8. Wardina Boulos Slaywa, sister
9. Yelda Boulos Slaywa, brother, recruit

[Handwritten]

[Signature]

Arrived
2017
11/9

[Illegible]

ili jos bolje od SloboSadama licno

Revolutionary Command Council
Decree No: 111
Decree date: 3 Shaban 1410 Hijra
28 Feb 1990

Decree

On the basis of the provisions of paragraph (A) of article 42 of the constitution, the Revolutionary Command Council has decided the following:

First: No person shall be liable to penal prosecution if he kills or commits the premeditated murder of:
1- His mother, daughter, sister, female cousin or niece to defend the family's honor.
2- The man who commits the indecent and immoral act with any of the aforementioned women in clause (1) of this article in the marital or parental house, provided that killing him occurs after killing the woman, and that the motivation for killing them both is the same. 

Second: If the murdered man commits the indecent and immoral act with any of the afore-mentioned women in clause (1) of paragraph (1) in a place other than the marital house, then this shall be considered a mitigating factor according to articles 128 and 129 of the penal code.

Third: Anyone who falsely uses the excuse mentioned above as a pretext to commit a crime shall be punished by execution.

Fourth: This decree shall become effective from the date of its publication in the official gazette.

Saddam Husayn
President of Revolutionary Command Council

izvor (jos jednom) http://fas-www.harvard.edu/~irdp/

[ Izmena poruke: Visoke platforme na dan 2002-12-06 16:09 ]

[Indy]

Visoke platforme:
Vlado jesi li procitao malo o Sadamovom usponu? Gde ti vidis vezu izmedju Sadamovog ustolicenja i SAD?

Hebote koji razgovor gluvih! Jos jednom: "How the CIA put Saddam's Party in Power, 1963" (vidi link gore, posto prosli put nisi)

To je verovatno neka druga CIA, ona iz SSSR-a?!

[Visoke platforme]

Objavio si posto dok sam ja pisao odgovor. Sad cu o tome da citam.

Kup 1963. je bio neuspeo, jelda?

[Indy]

Pa ne znam za kup iz 1963. imao sam onda samo godinu dana Smeshno mi je vise ovo natezanje dal' je Sadam ruski, americki ili jupiterijanski. Kao sto sam gore i naveo, svi normalni ljudi znaju da je u pitanju monstrum. Sto bi rek'o JR, "ne znam sta je tu sporno?!"

[Visoke platforme]

U potpunosti se slazem!


U pitanju je monstrum koji se mnogima "krvi napio" pocev od stotina hiljada Kurda pa do svojih zetova. Tip koji obozava ne samo da gleda "Kum" trilogiju, nego i video-snimke mucenja svojih doskorasnjih saradnika, ili da ih salje isecene u komade pa spakovane u crnu kesu udovicama koje su molile da im vrati muzeve. Sve istina!

Vrlo dobro znamo koliko moze da se unazadi narod, drzava i sa blazim diktatorom-bolesnikom. I tu je vrlo malo vazno ciji je, kao sto je i meni bilo vrlo vazno za price da je Milosevic "americki covek".

Mislim da je bitno da se ovo sve obnovi, da se slucajno ne naseda na zalopojke za ovim savremenim nacistom. Cak ih i okupirali, uveren sam da im nece biti gore nego pod njim, ili nekim serijatskom klerom.

[Jr]

Mislim da je bitno da se ovo sve obnovi, da se slucajno ne naseda na zalopojke za ovim savremenim nacistom. Cak ih i okupirali, uveren sam da im nece biti gore nego pod njim, ili nekim serijatskom klerom.

Kao sto je Post-Ruski Afganistan bio bolji od Komunistickog?
I kao sto je sadasnji bolji od talibanskog?
klap-klap-klap...

_________________
"Utisak je u javnosti onaj koji ja kazem."

[ Izmena poruke: Jr na dan 2002-12-07 10:07 ]

[Vladap]

VK, ja sam prvi da se svaki Zlotvor obesi na neke lokalne Terazije..ali sto kaze Jr, ako to drugi urade, ko garantuje da se nece zapatiti novi, veci, opasniji..kod nas nece, to znam, jer se SPS-Jul druzina usrala onog 5.X i treba im malo par decenija da dodju sebi, jer smo ih sami uplasili..sta ce biti kada Ameri odu iz Avganistana..onaj Uzbek ce i dalje da bude neko mudo?..pozelece da se nadje u Hagu, da ga ne bi obesili na cev od tenka, to im je tamo specijalnost...
Sto su Sadama ostavili posle zalivskog rata..heeej 11 godina on hebe kevu svima, i sada kao ima u pm straaasno oruzje...nije da kukam nad dvolicnoscu SAD, ali za razliku od unutrasnje, njihova spoljna politika ima sve elemente koji bi se mogli nazvati 'kako sam sam sebi postao najveci neprijatelj'...i posle 11 godina nas ('ko nije sa nama taj je protiv nas') opet mobilisu protiv losih momaka..
A sto je Saudijska Arabija imala sut 14/19 famoznog 11.11? Sto je najzaostalija i najzatucanija zemlja na svetu? I sto ce nas SAD pozvati u neki eventualni rat protiv njih onog trenutka kada budu prestali da budu 'americki nosac aviona na suvom', jer ce to postati, npr. Irak? I dokle tako?